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    I assume that the criteria for selection involves the years / costs of college study necessary to become qualified, versus the expected earnings potential after a few years of experience.


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    (snip)"The following list uses data from PayScale to rank the top 10 jobs in terms of the pay you will receive after you have gained some years of experience, the necessary education (traditionally a bachelor's degree), the job's commonness and the years of experience that it will take to reach your plateau.

    Mechanical Engineer - $73,200 After Three Years Experience
    For people just starting their careers, mechanical engineering is a good place to begin because it is one of the broadest and most in demand of the engineering disciplines. In short, mechanical engineers use science and mathematics to plan and design tools, engines and machines. Many of these engineers work in manufacturing - chiefly for companies that make primary and fabricated materials, machinery and electrical and transportation equipment. Others work for government agencies, colleges and universities, and consulting firms.

    Software Developer - $82,400 After Four Years Experience
    Software developers build the modules or layers of code that create software programs to run on computers or electronic devices. They are currently in high demand because tech startups and giants like Facebook and Google can't recruit enough top in-house engineering talent fast enough to keep pace with rivals. Developers needs to have strong communication, creative problem solving and analytical skills.

    Financial Analyst - $62,600 After Three Years Experience
    Financial analysts help businesses, individuals and organizations to make the best possible investment decisions. The industry is currently hot because of increased complexity and global diversification of investments and growth in overall amount of assets under management. Hiring is being conducted by private firms, hospitals, non-profits, local state and federal governments, and colleges. According to Mindflash, there's a 20% projected hiring growth and 49,600 projected openings in 2011. Interested applicants should show a mind for research, strong communication, analytical skills and proficiency with borrowing structures.

    Electrical Engineer - $84,700 After Four Years Experience
    A job in electrical engineering involves designing, developing and maintaining electrical systems and/or components to required specifications, focusing on economy, safety, reliability, quality and sustainability. They may specialize in areas such as power systems, equipment manufacturing or building design. Although jobs in electrical engineering are competitive, statistics show that there is an exponential increase in electrical engineering salaries after just a few years of experience.

    Web Developer - $60,900 After Three Years Experience
    According to the U.S. Department of Labor's Occupational Outlook Handbook, the overall job outlook in the field of web development is expected to grow "much faster" than other occupations. Web developers and web designers can choose to freelance (the job pool is vast and varied) or they can work for corporations, schools, non-profits, government organizations or for design firms. Not only do they need to understand technology, they need to be creative problems solvers with strong communication skills.

    Financial Advisor - $93,900 After Four Years Experience
    Financial advisors provide clients with advice on financial matters, making recommendations on ways to best utilize their money. They provide a broad range of budgeting, tax, investment, and estate advice and there are many career pathways such as working for large financial services firms, boutique advisory practices or as solo practitioners. Financial advisors can enjoy a very high ceiling on income potential as their expertise grows.

    Employment Recruiter - $55,400 After Three Years Experience
    Certain industries are benefiting from the challenging job market, and it should be no surprise that employment recruiters are in high demand for their services to assist the unemployed in finding a suitable job. Employment recruiters' daily duties consist of searching out candidates for specific job openings, reviewing resumes, interviewing candidates, administering employment tests, keeping up on rules regarding employment and possibly marketing services to independent companies. For this role an outgoing personality and an understanding of the nuances of the market is a necessity.

    Construction Estimator - $67,400 After Four Years Experience
    Construction estimators create cost estimates for construction companies based on materials, labor, location and projected timelines. They may work on residential, commercial or municipal building projects. Those interested in this field need to demonstrate strong math and analytical skills, an eye for detail and interpersonal skills for coordinating team members.

    Project Engineer, Construction - $69,200 After Three Years Experience
    Project engineers plan, design and oversee the construction and maintenance of building structures and facilities. The ideal candidate is a strong leader who is organized and has some practical experience in the construction business. The project engineer has the responsibility for making sure that the project is finished on time and they have to coordinate everything from workers to heavy equipment rental and materials delivery.

    Manufacturing Engineer - $73,900 After Five Years Experience
    As the final engineering category in our grouping, manufacturing engineers design and improve manufacturing systems. They may work with commercial and industrial designers to increase production, decrease costs and refine a product's design and may also look into solutions on how manufacturers can edge out the competition. As well as understanding the technical engineering aspects of the role, an ideal candidate must have an interest in understanding the international marketplace and logistics.

    The Bottom Line
    All of these jobs only require a bachelor's degree, but there is always room for increased income with more expertise and possibly a graduate degree. If you're trained for a career in engineering you stand to be well compensated right out of the gate. Engineering dominates the list of top-paid majors, according to results of a new survey conducted by the National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE). All top 10 require the practical application of math at some level. Most importantly, they all require dedication to learn a craft"(snip)


    I would also add, based on conversations with many different businessmen, that all of these fields are heavily dominated by males. Thus any qualified female candidates are likely to hold an advantage with companies that are concerned about the 'diversity' of their employee base.

    I would also point out that the earnings potential of a 'serious professional exotic dancer' with a few years experience exceeds ALL of these professions.

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    Default Re: Top 10 'professional' straight jobs in the USA

    I think some of it has to do with location and the type of experience. For instance, i know of someone that went to a top 50 engineering school and himself and majority of his peers are close to 100k salaries within 3-5 years.

    Not a bad career progression but the growth areas are stagnant in a lot of fields but tech fields seem to boom and bust more.

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    ^^^ there is definitely a geographical variation. The vast majority of available future engineering and construction related professional jobs are logically going to be found in areas of the country which are attractive to new businesses / business investment. Also, where a fortune 500 corporation or a gov't entity or a consulting firm employer is concerned, hiring 'name school' graduates offers the employer a 'selling point' that they are willing to pay extra to obtain.

    I guess that the point which struck me the hardest is that almost all of these top 10 'professional' jobs available with ( just ) a 4 year degree involve the ability to work with advanced math, as well as an implied requirement of an actual track record of successful performance, as well as an implied requirement of the acceptance of personal responsibility for the 'quality' of one's work.

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    Default Re: Top 10 'professional' straight jobs in the USA

    I read petroleum engineer was the top one, it probably falls under one of the engineer jobs up there though.
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    ^^^ probably so ... or the relative volume of petroleum engineers was small and specialized compared to the more generic mechanical / electrical / project engineering positions described above.

    Again, petroleum engineer would fit right in with my earlier observations i.e. a requirement to 'get your hands dirty', an implied requirement to deliver successful results in a timely manner etc. This is of course in sharp contrast to most other traditional 4 year degree 'professional' positions ( example teachers, office managers, stockbrokers, etc. ) which involve no site work, which do NOT involve any objective measure of actual performance, and which do NOT involve accepting any personal responsibility for 'less than successful' results. However, until very recently at least, the latter were arguably the very reasons that so few students chose to pursue engineering fields - thus leading to today's shortage of available 'talent' !

    Or put another way, five years ago, why would anyone choose to study to become a manufacturing engineer ... subject to hot and/or dirty work sites, night and weekend call-ins, as well as potential reprimand / dismissal for failure to produce expected manufacturing results in a timely manner etc. ... when the same person could become a teacher, work in a comfortable clean classroom, with no overtime requirements, no reprimand / dismissal risk for failure of X% of students to successfully pass his class etc., and for nearly the same amount of pay ( perhaps equal or greater if the relative cash value of employee benefits were accounted for ). Obviously things have changed significantly in the past five years !

    I'll also reach back to my original post and make the point that 'serious professional exotic dancers' indeed share some of the attributes of these engineering 'professions'. Continued 'employment' and actual pay rate both involve a direct element of personal responsibility ( i.e. dancers lacking the 'qualifications' and skills to sell private dances will get knocked out of the profession just as quickly as a mechanical / electrical engineer who lacks the 'qualifications' and skills to avoid making a serious / expensive engineering error ). Performance IS objectively measured ... by clubowners comparing the 'productivity' of every dancer every shift, often leading to 'unproductive' dancers getting the boot or getting relegated to low earnings potential shifts. IMHO the only major difference is that, at the moment, there is NO shortage of available 'talent' where the exotic dancing profession is concerned.

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    Default Re: Top 10 'professional' straight jobs in the USA

    Seems like a lot of websites are publishing articles about "good" jobs, top ten in this or that, etc. Here's one that I wandered across:

    http://247wallst.com/2011/09/01/the-...most-time-off/
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    ^^^ the majority of the 'good' jobs with lots of time off referenced in your linked story require Doctorate degrees ... which arguably brings up the argument of the 'costs versus benefits' of investing 6+ years of full time study plus investing six figure tuition costs. This of course is the topic of another DD thread. And ( not surprisingly ), a good portion of the aforementioned jobs also depend on continued high levels of government spending in one form or another ( school principals, psychologists, speech therapists, judges etc. ) for their high pay rate versus low working hours ... a situation which may not continue to be true in the future.

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    I don't know if this is just me or what's going on, but once I started changing my concentration from public relations to instructional design jobs I am getting a lot more interviews for good employers. The pay is generally good too.

    Instructional design is one where you need a variety of skills and it could be somewhat related to software design and website design because you almost always need a basic knowledge of those. It's also related to human resources and many of the other growth fields. It's kind of hard to explain but it's involved with developing training programs for companies along with teaching them and it's now going into online training.

    Why mention this? because it's what I call a "hidden" job. I never knew this field even existed until a former employer called me for an interview. There are many hidden jobs out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ there is definitely a geographical variation. The vast majority of available future engineering and construction related professional jobs are logically going to be found in areas of the country which are attractive to new businesses / business investment.
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    So you think California is attractive to new businesses / business investment? From what I've read, there is a big demand for software engineers in Silicon Valley.

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    ^^^ historically speaking, California has always been 'business friendly' to software companies ... who are then able to reassign ownership of said software to another company division located in a low tax foreign country. However, historically speaking, California has NOT been 'business friendly' to manufacturing companies. And increasingly, California provides a potential lucrative market for financial advisors ! I obviously can't elaborate based on the politics ban.

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    Same thing with Illinois. Also, not able to mention due to the somewhat political reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ the majority of the 'good' jobs with lots of time off referenced in your linked story require Doctorate degrees ... which arguably brings up the argument of the 'costs versus benefits' of investing 6+ years of full time study plus investing six figure tuition costs. This of course is the topic of another DD thread. And ( not surprisingly ), a good portion of the aforementioned jobs also depend on continued high levels of government spending in one form or another ( school principals, psychologists, speech therapists, judges etc. ) for their high pay rate versus low working hours ... a situation which may not continue to be true in the future.
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    If one would read past the introductory paragraph on the first page, they'd find some jobs that don't require a doctorate degree (Dental Hygienist, Librarian, Speech Therapist, to name 3). These may be more suitable for a dancer "moving on" who may not be inclined towards engineering studies.
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    ^^^ true. But as already commented about, the future job prospects of librarians, speech therapists, and potentially dental hygenists may be significantly different than they were when this study data was collected. I guess I can make a factual statement that a common response of financially distressed local gov'ts has been to propose closing down libraries.

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    A lot of good information. I like the comparison you made about engineers to dancers. Being in the field myself, living in a downtown area and having to commute to Another state for work since big cities aren't to friendly to manufacturing sites besides Houston, Reading your post felt like I was living proof of what you are saying. Implying your logic statements are spot on. Haha.

    Also you are again right about that the salaries vary greatly based on performance. So if private dances are one of the key points for dancers to make dollars. For engineers, its high dollar project accomplishments. But both have a commonality which is also another key to success and that is soft skills to conduct business. Something several engineers and college graduates don't seem to grasp.

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    ^^^ excellent feedback - thank you !

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    I am a software developer and have had several jobs, in each job I worked with a small but not tiny department of a dozen or so people. Out of a total of some 40 people, I would say there were a total of 2 or 3 women, one DBA, one developerish. Don't get me wrong, there are smart women in IT. But there are very, very few women in this field overall. On the floor where I work, outside of administrative (read: secretarial) roles we have maybe one woman, out of a floor of 20-30 men. The one woman we had was quickly promoted away from development to a sales and then public relations role, I suspect based on her looks. It is very frustrating because it is a pleasure for me to work with women, as well as men.

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    I worry about where the next generation of "hands on" electrical engineers will come from. When me and my peers retire, it's scary to think that ours will be the last generation of truly "hands-on" engineers, happily and passionately building all kinds of circuitry & hardware. Don't get me wrong - all of the recent grad's that my company has been interning the last few years are all great kids, but they just want to sit behind a computer with their PRO-E and design hardware that they have no interest in actually touching or creating. They don't want to set foot in a lab and tinker with things. We jokingly call then the "paper amp" kids (short for "paper amplifier"). Where will the next generation of roll-up-your-sleeves-and-dig-in come from? Has mentoring been lost forever?

    And indeed my industry is heavily male. I am the only female engineer in my area, and I am the only "hands-on" gal for miles around.
    But I'm the boss, and they'd better damn well not forget it!

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    ^^^ Lopaw, you are living proof of my point !

    And indeed your assessment of the new crop of 'paper engineers' has been backed up by virtually every businessman I have ever encountered. Arguably, what remains of US manufacturing, US utilities etc. has now become dangerously dependent on a small number of rapidly aging 'hands on' engineers who are actually able to produce necessary positive results in a timely manner at a managed cost. Thus future 'hands on' engineers will be a 'commodity' in incredibly high demand. And female 'hands on' engineers will command a premium on top of the professions' premium !

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    I don't really have much to contribute other than if you know shit about computers in the bay area you are guaranteed $$$$$$$.
    It also cost a fortune to live in the bay area.

    The cost of ongoing certifications in IT is something a lot of people going into the field seem to overlook. I've probably spent more on two attempts at CCIE security than I spent on college. Your education is never done and the hours in many fields are erratic. It's not something you get into and bags of money start falling out of the sky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krill_ View Post
    It also cost a fortune to live in the bay area.

    The cost of ongoing certifications in IT is something a lot of people going into the field seem to overlook. I've probably spent more on two attempts at CCIE security than I spent on college. Your education is never done and the hours in many fields are erratic. It's not something you get into and bags of money start falling out of the sky.
    I'm not directly in IT, but IT related and one always needs to keep up with the latest computer software. I'm teaching myself Captivate because this is the latest must needed. Soon it'll be something else.

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    Wow this makes me want go back to school to finish my financial degree

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    The cost of ongoing certifications in IT is something a lot of people going into the field seem to overlook. I've probably spent more on two attempts at CCIE security than I spent on college. Your education is never done and the hours in many fields are erratic. It's not something you get into and bags of money start falling out of the sky.
    Again, the same analogy arguably applies to serious professional exotic dancers ... who must continuously 'upgrade' their 'goods' to remain competitive with younger dancers. Albeit seeking a particular software certification and seeking breast implants would appear to have little to do with each other, in essence they both allow the holder of the new 'credentials' to better market their goods and services !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    I worry about where the next generation of "hands on" electrical engineers will come from. When me and my peers retire, it's scary to think that ours will be the last generation of truly "hands-on" engineers, happily and passionately building all kinds of circuitry & hardware.
    Exactly. I had a conversation with an owner of a small electronics company that seeks 'people that build real things'. The example he used was looking for kids that worked on their own cars, but I reminded him that government regulations and the auto industry themselves have taken most of that opportunity away. (EPA regulations, special dealer only software, etc.)

    This 'new generation' is being taught that they can't touch anything. Heck in Massachusetts it is now illegal to even work on the plumbing in your own house! (I'm sure the plumbers union helped push this 'safety measure through'...) Actual hands-on creative outlets seems to end with LEGO toys...

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    I think one reason there aren't more young people interested in hands on building is there are a lot more distractions now for young people. The internet, cable, organized sports, clubs, games etc. chiefly. It's not like the 1950's when the most interesting thing in your life was B&W TV, the radio, playing in the backyard or working on a cheap car & racing. High school students are also having less sex for the same reasons.

    Secondly, science and engineering isn't a glorified or culturally value profession anymore. When's the last time you saw a popular TV show about programmers or engineers? During the Cold War science had high prestige so the US could compete with the Soviet Union, especially after Sputnik. In 1960, US scientists were the person of the year. There was not necessarily more science than there is today, but 'rocket scientist' was seen as the top of the heap. Nowadays, everyone wants to be an investment banker. Instead of engineering something useful, the kids wants to 'engineer' a pool of mortgages or a financial instrument. All of the smartest people like universities and go work on Wall Street, and make X10 more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    I don't really have much to contribute other than if you know shit about computers in the bay area you are guaranteed $$$$$$$.

    I have heard Texas is the same too.
    Boston is like this. Being the owner of an IT out sourcing/MSP there is a huge demand in the IT out sourcing field. I primarily look for experience (and I don’t mean working for another company) and IT certifications. I rarely look at college degrees as a qualification to work for my company. I've hired people on the spot just on their experience alone. It's not unusual for a 21-24yr old kid to make $75-85k plus benefits.
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