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    I'm new here, so hello. It's kind of refreshing to be able to have a forum like this, where you can get real feedback from actual dancers. There's a lot I'd like to know, but I'll limit this thread to one basic question: From your perspective, ladies, what are the categories you put men into when you are working?

    For example, me: I am mid-forties, professional, though not extraordinarily wealthy, single, in shape and attractive for my age. I bet I fall into something like the, "worth the time if I haven't got a full on hustle going" type; in other words, when I go to a club I'm usually prepared to drop like $100.00 or so on a casual visit. So I'm not a big spender, but not a cheapskate either (Am I?). I enjoy getting dances, but only if I feel somewhat easy talking to the girl. I respond best to petite women who come off as genuinely friendly with a sexy edge, a kind of hard balance to strike I imagine when you are working. Of course, I know what it's all about, and I don't think I'd have the talent to create that kind of rapport if I were in your shoes. That's just where I'm at. If I'm not relaxed, and agree to a dance to early, I don't enjoy it. There have been times when I honestly regretted agreeing to a dance, just because I could see too easily through the game. On the other hand, when a girl's got charisma, even though I know its an act, well, she's just got charsima, and I like acting along.

    That all said, that's just my best guess as to where I fall. Occasionally, I think about dropping more than that for the champagne room, but I haven't done that yet. The place I like best is upscale, clean and well run. I do remember one time I was at a club and a very attractive dancer sat down next to me and started talking. She talked to me for a while, and laughed at my jokes. I didn't want a dance at the moment, but i didn't want to be rude, so I offered to buy her a drink. She said I didn't have to, but had a couple anyway. We talked pretty easily, and I made her laugh enough that it felt pretty real. I remember she mentioned something about having to go to the supermarket after work. I forget why. I asked her if she was going to go in the skirt and top she was wearing. She said, "I just might." And I said, "If you lived around here and went shopping like that I would have so many groceries." Etc . . .

    Anyway, I told her pretty much the same things about me I have just said here, and also mentioned that I had never been to the champagne room, and was curious about it. She said, "Well, if you have the time, I can show you." I didn't have the time, for real; I had just stopped in quickly after work, and had to be somewhere else in like an hour. I told her that. And she just kept talking with me. I offered her another drink, but she said, "no, you're getting me drunk already." So I told her I just wanted to be respectful of her time, and she said something like, "It's cool. I'm not officially on for a fifteen minutes or so." So we just kept talking. It was a funny thing, because she was so attractive and dressed for work, but I felt like, well, I'm not paying, so try to be a gentlemen and not ogle her while your talking.

    She got called to the stage eventually, and I thought I should at least sit down, watch her dance, and leave her a good tip. I did that, but the funny thing is when she was making the rounds and got to where I was she seemed really surprised that I was sitting at the stage (we had been talking in the bar area). I put $20 down, and that was alright I guess, but it felt really weird, and like maybe she was disappointed. I couldn't connect to the dance, or, like I said, ogle her as she moved and did her thing, because it just felt somehow like I had just put myself into a different category.

    So that's my question: What categories do you put guys in? Is there a difference between guys who are just sitting at the bar, and the ones at the stage? How much money should a guy be willing to drop to be respectable? I always thought you went to the stage to find a girl who you might want a dance from. But personally, I'd probably rather skip the whole stage thing and just get some dances if I feel comfortable with the girl.

    Depending on the circumstances, it's like fifty-fifty if I am "relaxed" enough to show how much I am enjoying the dance. I've wondered about those sort of categories too: How excited to you expect a man to get during a dance? Is it insulting if he doesn't seem to be responding, and how much excitement on the man's part is too much?

    Okay, that's a lot of questions, and probably more story than is necessary, but I am curious. Please feel free to comment on any aspect.

    Thanks for listening.

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    By categories I assume you mean whether we spend time with you? To me those spending more money on me get more time than anyone else. If say you tipped me on stage I might thank you and chat for a few minutes but without a dance I'd leave. I generally hated hustling drinks but if I got paid per drink (at some clubs I did) then I'd chat for a few minutes trying to persuade you to buy a dance or VIP.

    Customers go in these categories:
    Regulars. They get the most time with me. I'm talking guys who spend a lot.
    Guys who aren't regulars but spending a lot will also get a lot of time with me.
    Guys spending a little depends on the amount.
    Bar regulars. These are the guys who come to buy a drink. Sometimes I'll chat with them if it's busy but usually ignore them.
    Losers. The guys not spending at all and come in to try to get a date. Depending on the mood I'll either tell them off or ignore them.

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    Thanks for answering. So I guess the question is, how much is a little? As I was saying, on a casual visit, I go prepared to spend $100 or so. I realize there's got to be plenty of guys who will spend more than that, and also a lot who spend less. If I don't intend to get a dance with a girl, I don't waste her time (though it can be frustrating when a girl keeps on pressing after you've already said no). If I do get a dance, unless it is just no fun, I always figure I will get at least two, maybe up to four, and then pay the $80 it costs for that around here, and tip like $10 or something.

    Does that seem like fair play?

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    $100 sounds pretty fair and I wouldn't put it in the small amount. However it depends on many factors. I had some $1,000+ customers and if they came in with a $100 customer of course I'd spend more time on the other guy. However if it was versus a guy buying one dance I'd spend more time.

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    sirpatrick, it would probably help the dancers answer better if you could elaborate on how often you would likely be visiting - once in a great while or would you be a regular? For example, if you are a regular and she knows from previous experience that you will normally spend about $100, she will probably give you more time than if you are a new face. After all, you might have $100 in your pocket but she has no way of knowing that in advance, nor whether you will be spending it on her.

    Also, geography matters, so if you are looking for answers more specific to your situation then you might want to provide at least a general geographic area. For example, what might be great money in a club in some rural Midwest area might not really start the engines for a dancer working in a club in NYC or downtown Chicago (for a lot of reasons).

    Anyway, I won't try to speak for the dancers, but a little more detail might help your cause.

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    I've only got a few categories :

    Little spenders ( self explanatory )

    Big Spenders ( self explanatory )

    Non-Producers ( customers who are not spending on me and I am ignoring )

    Customers who shouldn't be there ( non producers who are also not tipping or buying for other girls .... wastes of space for all )

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    If your budget is $100, I'd recommend going in early also. Dancers do like to get a start on the night and I always appreciate a $100 spender early in the night v.s. the later " lapdance factory " hours.

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    $100 visit sounds great.. My ideal one would be a man who comes in tips you on stage then you have a couple drinks, go to vip,do three dances(at my club they are $30) plus a $10 tip and goodnight seee you soon

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    I think $100 is an average amount to spend. I very much appreciate $100. How you describe yourself is the type of guy that I usually sit with. I'd probably convince you to spend more on me though I can be very convincing...

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    Default Re: How do you categorize your customers?

    There is one category in my mind: Spends money.

    In the past I've had slew of $100 regulars, but I would hustle the floor and be in VIP before I got to them. The more they came in the sooner I'd get to them.

    Note to $100-200 guys - go in when it's slow.

    How much money should a guy be willing to drop to be respectable?
    $500-1000 plus is a good start, since you asked.

    $300-400 is okay if you're going in to see the same dancer all the time.
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    I can be very convincing...
    I can vouch for that

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    Wow. That was an extraordinarily helpful bunch of responses. I learned a lot, and it was precisely what I wanted to know.

    With respect to the degree of contact, I always keep my hands off the dancer unless she very directly grabs them and puts them somewhere, which does happen, occasionally.

    I tend to like upscale places, so I am going to assume the high end of most of these responses.

    But, really, I am just saying thanks to all of you for taking the time to respond. Having a better idea of what the real deal is from the dancer's perspective will make it easier to know when to go and what to expect. for real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirpatrick View Post
    Thanks for answering. So I guess the question is, how much is a little? As I was saying, on a casual visit, I go prepared to spend $100 or so. I realize there's got to be plenty of guys who will spend more than that, and also a lot who spend less. If I don't intend to get a dance with a girl, I don't waste her time (though it can be frustrating when a girl keeps on pressing after you've already said no). If I do get a dance, unless it is just no fun, I always figure I will get at least two, maybe up to four, and then pay the $80 it costs for that around here, and tip like $10 or something.

    Does that seem like fair play?
    $100 is sort of whatever to me.
    I'll definitely remember a customer who spends $100 on me regularly and treat him better than average... but unless it's dead/I'm bored I wouldn't spend an hour + with said customer.

    Sort of throws you into that 'nice guy, doesn't spend much, but worth talking to' grey area.

    Although for $80 of dancing I'd expect at least a $20 tip from someone who enjoyed the dances.
    I generally assume a $10 tip on more than $50 worth of dances is sort of a 'brush off' tip. Like a "You were okay, but don't bother coming to ask me for dances again" tip.
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    Spend what you want to spend, to buy what and how much you want. To me that is respectable. Don't be cheap, give tips if you think they are earned, buy drinks for girls who talk to you if you feel like doing so. Tip the girl on stage if you like her. The dancers have to make a living but remember you worked for the money you are spending too, so don't give it away.

    There is no point in worrying about what category you are in with dancers because it's not likely to be the "let's go on a date" category. Think about what category THEY are in for you and let them worry about what category they put you in. You can't spend your way into a truly "respectable" category with strippers. That kind of "respectable" is a financial one, not a personal one. Which personal category you are put in depends on how you behave. Recognize that they are just like other girls and are there to make money and you should do okay.

    Even if you aren't paying they don't mind you ogling, because it might persuade you to start paying, even if it's on the next visit. For all they know you have a friend. They wear those sexy costumes because they want all of the customers to look. They are trying to turn you on.

    You probably could have just bought that girl the one drink and tipped her before she left (especially for laughing at your jokes).

    Yes they want you to be excited during the dance. They try very hard to excite you. You wouldn't have dances if they weren't exciting. How could you not be excited by a sexy naked girl dancing for you? You are only human. You don't sound like a guy who would act "too excited" so you probably shouldn't worry about that.

    You know who you are, so it shouldn't matter to you what the dancers think of you. If you want nicer treatment, you have to pay for it. The only thing which helps beside that is how you behave and it sounds like you don't have a problem there. You shouldn't care how much money someone else expects to make from you. Anyway, relax - it's just a strip club.
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    I've sat in clubs with my favs over the years and had dozens of conversations about where customers fit-in to their earning plans. Factors like how much they spend, how well they treat a girl and how much attention they expect in return for what they spend and, frankly, how much trouble they are all become part of the dancer's thought process.

    FWIW, I think every dancer has her own formula for what her ROI needs to be with a customer. Some like regulars, some prefer to hit and run and do not go out of their way to cultivate regulars. It usually comes down to how much time they have to spend for the money they get in return. As the ladies have said, if you want a lot of attention for a lesser amount of money go when it's slow. I drop between $200 and $300 (for dances) on a visit to a fav and, depending on how busy the club is, it usually gets me anywhere from a couple of hours to an entire afternoon with the lady ( this will always include her leaving to get dances from others who have expressed an interest). Drinks, lunch or dinner will also enter into the picture of course.

    Always remember that, no matter where you fit in, all bets are off if a known high roller walks into the club. Lots of guys don't cultivate favs either but if, like me, you like your regular ladies you need to never lose sight of the fact that she is there to earn a living. No dancer is going to make bank on what one guy spends on his regular visits.

    For the purposes of conversation this in an interesting topic but, honestly, don't over-think where you stand with the ladies. If she smiles when she sees you sitting at the bar and makes time for you then it's safe to assume she is happy to see you and your wallet. Worrying about where you fit in to her economic agenda is counterproductive to your having a good time.
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    $100 is bottom of the rung for me. If you come in and consistently give me $100 once a week Ill spend 1 hour with you... but giving me $20 on stage is not classified as a "big tip" in my books. If a guy gives me a $20 on stage I might not even come say hi... now $50-$100 Ill prob come chat but if no more $$$ is coming I might not stay long depending how busy it is. That being said I have regs who only give me $100 who I spend more time with because I just like them. So spending time with them gives me a good vibe and I can carry on in a good mood. At the end of the day if Im not making more than $500 from one guy Im not that excited that he's there. Ya its nice to get $100 or $200 but when I see someone come in that I know will min spend $500 thats what makes my night.. especially if its early cause I know I can smash my target then.

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    ^ Minimum $500 in stage tips?
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    ^ doesn't have to be stage... Stage or shows. I'm only really excited to see someone if they'll spend that in one night. Otherwise they are just like anyone else. Lots of people do 1hr dances at my club which is $360 - which = $200 for the girl so pretty much any random might spend that so hence it's no longer that exciting.

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    I would categorize customers like this:

    Regulars - Guys who spend a certain high or decent amount of money on me on a regular basis, that are dependable and trustworthy...even if their money isn't "high spending", it's reliable which makes them a priority.
    High spenders - Guy who comes in and blows more than the average amount of money on me, but doesn't come in on a regular basis.
    Medium spenders - Guys who tip really well onstage, but can only be convinced to get one dance.
    Low spenders - Barely decent or poor stage spending only and cannot be convinced to get a dance (these guys only get the bare minimum of attention from me when the club is slow and no attention at all when the club is busy and any of the other types of customers are in the building).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie_tinydancer View Post
    ^ doesn't have to be stage... Stage or shows. I'm only really excited to see someone if they'll spend that in one night. Otherwise they are just like anyone else. Lots of people do 1hr dances at my club which is $360 - which = $200 for the girl so pretty much any random might spend that so hence it's no longer that exciting.
    One dancer I had an LD from said one guy spent $6000 on her the night before, in I think 3 hrs. That was a full contact (whatever you call it) club. I can understand her not being excited about me and I don't ever want to make a dancer that excited. There is no other category besides "customer". Although I'm sure dancers genuinely appreciate their big-spending customers, I don't see "guy who spends thousands on strippers" as being at all a more prestigious category than "guy who likes the occasional LD".
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    No dancer is going to make bank on what one guy spends on his regular visits.
    Generally but not always true. One friend of mine had a guy easily channeling four figures a week to her and she did virtually no dances with anyone else because she despised the work so much she often put off a lot of guys. She might dance when asked but she never did the asking. After a year or 2, he ran out of money and stopped coming in. This combined with the uptick in contact levels sent her straight to retirement. Her sister made even bigger bank in another club off one guy but she was generally always focused on generating some cash, even when that guy was expected or already in the club, as long as the guys came to her.

    Both of these girls were clearly exceptions to the rule though. Other friends were (and maybe still are) non-stop on-the-prowl while working.
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    $100 is bottom of the rung for me. If you come in and consistently give me $100 once a week Ill spend 1 hour with you... but giving me $20 on stage is not classified as a "big tip" in my books. If a guy gives me a $20 on stage I might not even come say hi... now $50-$100 Ill prob come chat but if no more $$$ is coming I might not stay long depending how busy it is. That being said I have regs who only give me $100 who I spend more time with because I just like them. So spending time with them gives me a good vibe and I can carry on in a good mood. At the end of the day if Im not making more than $500 from one guy Im not that excited that he's there. Ya its nice to get $100 or $200 but when I see someone come in that I know will min spend $500 thats what makes my night.. especially if its early cause I know I can smash my target then.


    Really?!! Hell, if I get $5 tip onstage I will definitely go over and say hello. Don't you think you might miss out on opportunities?? I think $5 or more from one guy onstage is definitely worthy of a "hello" and "thank you for the tip onstage, how about a dance?" Any guy that tips $5 or more is definitely (or 99% of the time) interested in at least a dance, IMO.

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    Really?!! Hell, if I get $5 tip onstage I will definitely go over and say hello. Don't you think you might miss out on opportunities?? I think $5 or more from one guy onstage is definitely worthy of a "hello" and "thank you for the tip onstage, how about a dance?" Any guy that tips $5 or more is definitely (or 99% of the time) interested in at least a dance, IMO.
    Yes, this...from a customer standpoint, dancers i am interested in will get from 5-100 as a stage tip, and would like/expect some type of acknowledgement. There have been times I've tipped twentys on stage and gotten barely even a response from the dancer Maybe it just depends on local and what the girls are used too.

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    And to think Tdonuts, I didn't realize you were tipping me!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Generally but not always true. One friend of mine had a guy easily channeling four figures a week to her and she did virtually no dances with anyone else because she despised the work so much she often put off a lot of guys.
    Um, that's not bank Bem, that's called settling. She left money on the floor every single shift she worked if she just waited around for one guy all day. I know at least a couple of dancers who get a grand or more a week from a regular but they don't stop with that.

    You've made it pretty clear that your dancer friends hated the work. That's all well and good but it cost them money.
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