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    Default Change.org: Push Nigerian government to hunt down rapists

    I know I've posted an item from Change.org before, and I'm certainly not trying to spam the boards with them, but this one...well, this one is really important.

    Title: Bring The ABSU 5 Who Gang-Raped Woman in Nigeria to Justice

    "WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT

    On or around August 16th, 2011 five male students of Abia state University Nigeria imprisoned and raped mercilessly for several hours a fellow female student. What had she done to deserve this? Apparently she insulted one of them and this was her punishment. As though the rape wasn't enough, they also filmed it and callously passed the footage around to their friends and from there on to the entire campus. This footage has been making waves online and amongst Nigerian bloggers with several people calling out to the government to do something.
    The government must find these boys and hold them accountable.
    They must know that Nigerians and people all around the world will not sit by idly while such atrocities continue to take place."

    Emailed story:
    There's a desperate search on for a female university student in Nigeria. Some want to silence her. Others want to protect her.

    On August 16, the unidentified woman was gang-raped by five male students at Abia State University -- for hours, as she begged first for mercy, and then for her rapists to kill her because of the pain. And it's all on video.

    Change.org member Adetomi Aladekomo has joined bloggers and activists working to bring the victim to safety and her rapists to justice by starting a petition to Abia State University (ABSU) and state officials. Sign Adetomi's petition to demand a full investigation into the videotaped rape in order to prosecute and convict the "ABSU 5" gang-rapists.

    Over the past two weeks, bloggers and individuals around the world have put up reward money and used video imaging software to try to identify the victim and the rapists -- when the police should have been doing this all along. Unbelievably, state authorities have so far stymied efforts, preferring to deny the rape ever even happened under their watch. Local women's groups fear that they're even out to silence the victim, perpetuating a culture of fear and shame around rape in Nigeria, where such crimes are dramatically under-reported and under-prosecuted.

    Adetomi, who grew up in Nigeria until she was seventeen, knows that international outcry around the gang rape at ABSU will be decisive in protecting the victim and bringing justice. With the whole world watching, the victim may have the courage to come forward and press charges -- and other women who’ve been raped may come forward, too, when they previously would not have.

    In fact, it was because of Change.org members and international outcry earlier this year that a woman who had created a Change.org petition from inside a Cape Town safe house was able to come out and seek justice for her partner, who had been gang-raped and killed to 'cure' her of being a lesbian.

    Global pressure is as important today as it was then. Demand the "ABSU 5" gang-rapists who videotaped their own crime pay for it with prison time. Sign Adetomi's petition now, and then send it to everyone you know.

    Thanks for being a change-maker,

    Shelby and the Change.org team


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    Default Re: Change.org: Push Nigerian government to hunt down rapists

    I wonder what change.org has done to help the falsely accused Duke Lacross Players shed the undeserved stigma of being dragged through national mainstream media, being falsely accused on a high profile national level, being rejected from potentially lucrative career opportunities, etc. Same goes for Dominic Strauss-Kahn, who would arguably be a contender for the French presidency if not for similar false accusations and similar US mainstream media 'prosecution'.

    For situations where a crime of rape goes under-reported, there are arguably other situations where a non-crime of rape gets over-reported. And as a de-facto result, law enforcement officials in both Nigeria and the US must now be much more cognizant of the possibility that the alleged rape victim is lying. For better or worse, the Nigerian incident supposedly has hard evidence to back up the accusation i.e. the existance of video tape. However, in the vast majority of cases, no such hard evidence exists, leading to a 'he said - she said' situation.

    Thus the actions of Change.org or anything similar that increases mainstream media exposure are arguably increasing the future odds that an exotic dancer who has been the victim of rape will be de-facto disregarded by law enforcement if she reports the crime and seeks justice. In the US at least, law enforcement agencies bear some degree of liability when they make public charges of rape based on an alleged victim's report. Even if eventually proven false, those public charges of rape can and do have a permanent negative effect on the accused which no amount of public exonoration can completely undo. As such, in the US at least, law enforcement is increasingly wary of making public charges ... and especially so when a possible scenario exists where the alleged victim may have had a 'pay for play' relationship with the alleged rapist.

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    Default Re: Change.org: Push Nigerian government to hunt down rapists

    ^and this has what to do with the Nigerian woman who's rape was videotaped?
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    Default Re: Change.org: Push Nigerian government to hunt down rapists

    ^^^ well in terms of potential US exotic dancers who may become future rape victims, the Nigerian incident means essentially nothing in and of itself. What IS pertinent is the US publicity generated by change.org, and the potential reaction to that US publicity by US law enforcement.

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    Default Re: Change.org: Push Nigerian government to hunt down rapists

    it is almost like you can't help yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    I wonder what change.org has done to help the falsely accused Duke Lacross Players shed the undeserved stigma of being dragged through national mainstream media, being falsely accused on a high profile national level, being rejected from potentially lucrative career opportunities, etc. Same goes for Dominic Strauss-Kahn, who would arguably be a contender for the French presidency if not for similar false accusations and similar US mainstream media 'prosecution'.

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    Default Re: Change.org: Push Nigerian government to hunt down rapists

    God, I love the ignore function.

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    Default Re: Change.org: Push Nigerian government to hunt down rapists

    actually, a similar version of my point was also made in the Texas last meal thread ...

    Originally Posted by dlabtot
    Any thinking person realizes that no system is perfect, therefore capital punishment will inevitably result in the execution of some innocent people.

    Keep that in mind when considering this issue....
    posted by Kellydancer
    Yep. I'm in Illinois and there have been many people who were released from death row because evidence proved them innocent. The first person exonerated through DNA was a relative of a childhood friend and while his case was not murder (it was rape) he spent years in prison for a crime he didn't commit.
    ... with the point again being that with every new incidence of US national publicity related to the crime of rape in any way, US law enforcement becomes LESS likely to charge an alleged rapist on the basis of 'he said / she said' evidence. Again this should be of significant interest to exotic dancers, as the 'Hollywood stripper stereotype' can and will be used to minimize / dismiss the validity of any future claims of rape from exotic dancers as opposed to the alleged rapist's claims that sex with the exotic dancer started out as consensual 'pay for play'. The logical reason for this reaction by US law enforcement is the real world fact that the 'damage' done by leveeing charges of rape against an alleged rapist can never be 'undone' even if that alleged rapist is later found to be innocent ... and that US law enforcement is increasingly being held accountable for the resulting 'damage' via civil court actions by the 'falsely' accused.

    Arguably, public support for change.org's efforts to publicize the Nigerian rape case ... while they may indeed be 'well intentioned' in idealistic terms ... are against the best interests of US exotic dancers in real world terms.

    Obviously everyone is free to ignore this assertion ... but if you are an exotic dancer you ignore it at your own future risk.

    ""You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality."" - Ayn Rand

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    Default Re: Change.org: Push Nigerian government to hunt down rapists

    yes, i feel bad for the woman who was raped. But I don't see how a website is going to help women in nigeria. This is a social problem concerning the treatment of women in Nigeria. isn't this the same country that has "child witches" that are burned, abused, and beaten? My point being that western countries cannot solve the social problems of other countries. Those counties must be willing to do it themselves otherwise it comes off as "big bad USA" interfereing with their government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    actually, a similar version of my point was also made in the Texas last meal thread ...





    ... with the point again being that with every new incidence of US national publicity related to the crime of rape in any way, US law enforcement becomes LESS likely to charge an alleged rapist on the basis of 'he said / she said' evidence. Again this should be of significant interest to exotic dancers, as the 'Hollywood stripper stereotype' can and will be used to minimize / dismiss the validity of any future claims of rape from exotic dancers as opposed to the alleged rapist's claims that sex with the exotic dancer started out as consensual 'pay for play'. The logical reason for this reaction by US law enforcement is the real world fact that the 'damage' done by leveeing charges of rape against an alleged rapist can never be 'undone' even if that alleged rapist is later found to be innocent ... and that US law enforcement is increasingly being held accountable for the resulting 'damage' via civil court actions by the 'falsely' accused.

    Arguably, public support for change.org's efforts to publicize the Nigerian rape case ... while they may indeed be 'well intentioned' in idealistic terms ... are against the best interests of US exotic dancers in real world terms.

    Obviously everyone is free to ignore this assertion ... but if you are an exotic dancer you ignore it at your own future risk.

    ""You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality."" - Ayn Rand

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    You're just making stuff up again. How would you know this? How many police officers and district attorneys have you interviewed that you would know their policies?

    What you're posting isn't based on reality, but stuff you make up.
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    ^^^ you must have "missed the memo" ... from


    (snip)"Three former Duke University lacrosse players, who were falsely accused by a stripper of rape, filed a federal civil rights lawsuit after settlement negotiations with the city of Durham broke down. The lawsuit seeks punitive and compensatory damages along with reforms in the way criminal cases are handled by the police department and the prosecutor's office.

    The 155-page complaint is filed against the city of Durham, former District Attorney Mike Nifong, former police Chief Steve Chalmers and several police detectives and officers. The lawsuit seeks damages "for outrageous conduct pursued out of actual malice" that violated the players' civil rights.

    Attorneys for the three Duke players were in negotiations with the city last month to settle the lawsuit, but failed to come to an agreement.

    "The city's response to our offer to negotiate has been pitiful and disappointing and not worthy of discussion," said Richard D. Emery, attorney for Reade Seligmann. "And so, we're going ahead with the lawsuit."

    "This is not about money for the boys, though obviously they deserve compensation," Emery told The Associated Press. "This is about sending a message to public officials who only get the message when they have to pay the money."

    The lawsuit seeks several reforms for the Durham police department and district attorney's office"(snip)


    with this very recent update ... from


    (snip)"A group of former Duke University lacrosse players wrongly arrested on rape charges in 2006 has asked a federal appeals court to let their lawsuit against the City of Durham move forward.

    Cleared players David Evans, Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann sued Durham and a list of officials that include the former city manager and former police chief.

    Local governments typically enjoy broad immunity from liability over official actions. However, a judge ruled in March that the suit against Durham could proceed. The city has appealed.

    Lawyers for the players filed a 91-page brief last week asking that appeals judges in Richmond, Va., uphold the lower court's ruling and allow a jury trial over possible damages."(snip)



    and this just released ... from


    (snip)"The New York Times reported Monday afternoon that Nafissatou Diallo, the woman who earlier this year accused former IMF Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn of rape, has just filed a civil lawsuit seeking money damages against him. The lawsuit was filed in the Bronx, where Diallo lives, and it contends that Strauss-Kahn should be held financially accountable for a sexual attack in a Manhattan hotel room that "humiliated, degraded, violated and robbed" her of "her dignity as a woman."

    With the filing, we have just entered a new phase in the Strauss-Kahn endgame. The first sign of the strategy were the "exclusive" interviews the alleged victim gave to media organizations a few weeks ago. And now this. It is clear that Diallo's attorneys are unwilling to wait any longer for prosecutors to spin the public story in her favor or to otherwise put any pressure on Strauss-Kahn, who is now a defendant two times over. Time is not on her side.

    (snip)"The filing of a civil lawsuit, while prosecutors are still mulling over what to do with the criminal case, tells me that Team Diallo reckons it has a better chance of settling with Strauss-Kahn now as part of a comprehensive settlement that would also do away with the criminal case. In this sense, Diallo wants the two cases linked together. And she wants prosecutors to help steer Strauss-Kahn toward his checkbook. We've seen this before in high-profile rape cases -- most notably the Kobe Byrant rape case. Will Strauss-Kahn's prosecutors sign off on a deal?

    (snip)In fact, I would be surprised if the two sides haven't already had settlement discussions along the lines of No. 3 above. If it hasn't happened yet, it surely will happen soon. So now the focus ought to be even more intense on prosecutors. If they dismiss the case quickly, and without a global deal, it will give Strauss-Kahn more bargaining power against Diallo. If prosecutors do nothing, it will help Diallo at Strauss-Kahn's expense.

    I'm still betting the whole thing goes away long before either of the trials. And this lawsuit makes that more, not less, likely.(snip)


    Put bluntly, I can guaran [email protected]!kin - tee you that police departments and district attorneys' offices throughout the country are paying close attention to legal developments in Durham, NC and Richmond, VA ... as the results of that litigation could serve as a direct precedent potentially affecting their own jurisdictions ( as well as potentially affecting their own pockets via civil lawsuits / compensatory damage awards ) in future cases where alleged rapists are falsely charged by their departments on the basis of 'he said, she said' evidence.

    I can also state with reasonable assurance that police departments and district attorney's offices do NOT like to invest time, money, and professional reputation de-facto assisting 'gold digging' alleged rape victims to pressure high profile alleged rapists into agreeing to pay large financial settlements to avoid the potential risks associated with any criminal trial ( thus depriving their departments of a conviction ) ... as was demonstrably the case with the accuser of Kobe Bryant and as is probably the case with the accuser of Dominic Strauss-Kahn.

    As mentioned earlier, where exotic dancers are concerned, in light of the above it is INCREASINGLY PROBABLE that police and DA's offices are now going to listen to the 'she said' evidence of rape given by any 'stripper' with great skepticism ... and with major suspicion that 'pay for play' or a future 'gold digging' cash settlement attempt were / are involved on the part of the 'stripper'. Similarly, if taken to criminal trial, it is INCREASINGLY PROBABLE that jury members are going to give creedence to assertions from defendants' attorneys that 'pay for play' or 'gold digging' were involved on the part of the 'stripper' - which in turn decreases chances of a conviction on the basis of 'he said, she said' evidence. Throw in the increasing risk that members of the DA's office or police dep't might find themselves as civil damages lawsuit defendents in cases brought by 'falsely' accused alleged rapists if they decide to press charges based on 'he said, she said' evidence that ultimately falls apart under close scrutiny or is discounted by 'anti-stripper' jury members, and the real world probability of an exotic dancer actually receiving justice as a rape victim becomes increasingly unlikely.

    Arguably, every additional high profile mainstream media reference to rape only exacerbates the above situation. And, by the same real world argument, change.org's attempt to make a high profile media issue of this Nigerian rape case will not create positive results in Nigeria but WILL exacerbate negative results for future rape victims in the USA ... and particularly so for future rape victims who also happen to be exotic dancers.

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    And I don't really know why the second article is relevant
    because it exemplifies the alleged rape victim's active attempt to use the NYC DA's office to leverage the old rich guy into ponying up major 'settlement' money for the alleged rape victim to guarantee that criminal charges would not be leveed against him ... therefore also 'proving' to 300 million Americans watching US mainstream media that the alleged rape victim was a 'gold digger' after the fact ... and strongly supporting a conclusion that the alleged rape victim was a 'gold digger' before the fact as well ( i.e. that her charges were false, and motivated by potential personal financial gain from a rich 'accused' ). This same perception is the probable reason that future claims of rape made by girls who are 'strippers' are likely to be disregarded or, at the very least, highly suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Put bluntly, I can guaran [email protected]!kin - tee you that police departments and district attorneys' offices throughout the country are paying close attention to legal developments in Durham, NC and Richmond, VA ... as the results of that litigation could serve as a direct precedent potentially affecting their own jurisdictions ( as well as potentially affecting their own pockets via civil lawsuits / compensatory damage awards ) in future cases where alleged rapists are falsely charged by their departments on the basis of 'he said, she said' evidence.
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    No you can't. You don't know that. You're just making it up.

    The main issue being discussed is the gang-rape of a woman in Nigeria, and whether the rapists should be held accountable for their crime. You would think that in a forum that consists mostly of western women, there would be unanimous agreement that the rapists should be brought to justice, but somehow you see something wrong with this?!

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    ^^^ the only thing 'wrong' with this is that, while well intentioned, it will ...

    A. have no positive effect whatsoever re Nigerian LE doing anything to help the woman in question

    but more importantly ...

    B. the additional US publicity generated WILL have an arguable additional negative effect on future US girls who report rapes by 'well to do' alleged rapists ... and particularly so where exotic dancers are concerned.

    As with many other 'agenda' driven real world situations, the theoretical ideal intended result doesn't actually happen, while an unintended consequence crops up that does more harm than good. Obviously I'm not allowed to elaborate.


    No you can't. You don't know that. You're just making it up.
    What none of us can absolutely know is the future ruling of the appeals court as to whether the civil damages lawsuits against the city of Durham and the Durham PD / DA's office will be allowed to proceed. But it's no 'reach' whatsoever to conclude that other City gov'ts, PD's and DA's offices are paying attention to these court rulings.

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