Has anyone with an autoimmune disease gotten implants? Did they make you sick? Did you decide to take them out?
Did you get silicone or saline (I know they both have a silicone shell)?





Has anyone with an autoimmune disease gotten implants? Did they make you sick? Did you decide to take them out?
Did you get silicone or saline (I know they both have a silicone shell)?





It sounds like you really need to do a ton more research on implants hon. Try implantinfo.com for starters.
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I've been researching them for years. I already decided I'm not going to get them, since the decision was mostly made for me. I have a high sensitivity to silicone, and the shell is made of silicone no matter what its filled with. I just wanted to hear about other girls' experiences with that situation. Namely, how they were affected, if they decided to get them removed, and how it affected them after the removal.





Do not get them if you have autoimunne disease. I've had several girlfriends get autoimunne disease from implants and had to have them out and if you already have a problem..... I've had unexplained illness for the last few years from mine( I believe since my symptoms are similar to my friends) an I'm deciding what I should do but I will say your health is th most important thing even over looks because if you don't have your health you have nothing.










This is completely unfounded. There is no evidence that implants cause or cause to worsen any autoimmune diseases or deficiencies. If this were the case they would never have been re-introduced to the market in the USA. You have 0 scientific evidence to back this claim.
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I'm not getting implants, nor is that why I posted this thread. It might help to read the whole like 10 posts before commenting
The whole reason they were taken off the market in the first place for like a decade was because of the suspicions between autoimmune issues arising and silicone (gel). They did studies that proved not much of a correlation as a whole, but obviously there is reason to be concerned since that is the whole reason why they were taken off the market for a whole decade. This suspicion wasn't pulled out of a random idea box.
I am also going to add... those clinical trials well, it may actually have helped to test people who actually have autoimmune issues rather than doing a random sampling of people considering most of those people probably didn't even have a predisposition to getting an autoimmune disease in the first place.
There are several other studies out there like these:
FDA Study:
Brown SL, Pennello G, Berg WA, Soo MS, Middleton MS. Silicone Gel Breast Implant Rupture, Extracapsular Silicone, and Health Status in a Population of Women. The Journal of Rheumatology 2001;28:996-1003.
NCI Studies:
Brinton, LA, Lubin, JH, Burich, MC, Colton, T, and Hoover, RN. Mortality Among Augmentation Mammoplasty Patients, Epidemiology 2001; 12: 321-326.
Brinton, LA, Lubin, JH, Burich, MC, Colton, T, Brown, SL, and Hoover, RN. Cancer Risk at Sites Other Than the Breast Following Augmentation Mammoplasty. Annals of Epidemiology 2001;11: 248-256.
... which show that silicone IS toxic to some, but not to others. So obviously if you have an autoimmune disease already, your body is already prone to seeking out and killing healthy cells, so WHY would it not seek out & try to kill man-made toxic ones? After all, that's exactly what diseases like eczema and psoriasis are doing. That's what all autoimmune diseases are doing.
See items excerpts below, all from various studies:
"This study is the third to be published in May 2001 with findings that indicate potentially serious health risks for women with breast implants. The other studies, conducted by scientists at the National Cancer Institute, found a 21% overall increased risk of cancer for women with implants and a 100% or more increase in mortality from brain tumors, lung cancer, other respiratory diseases, and suicide."
"A May 1991 study done by the FDA using patient questionnaires and MRIs (magnetic resonance imaging) found that women whose breast implants had leaked silicone gel had 2.8 times more fibromyalgia complaints, namely muscle pain, fatigue and sleep disorders."
"All these early studies, with their rosy results showing the low toxicity of silicone, came to a grinding halt in 2004 when the National Cancer Institute released a new study that showed “implant patients were three times more likely to die from respiratory tract cancer, two to three times more likely to die from brain cancer, and four to five times more likely to die from suicide.” There was also a doubling of incidence of rheumatoid arthritis and even greater likelihood of lupus and Sjogren’s syndrome."
"Susan Maharaj of American University tested ten women with breast implants and compared the results with five controls. It was found that the women with breast implants had sharply higher levels of platinum in their blood and urine. In addition, it was found that the breastfed children of these women also complained of eye and hearing disorders, no doubt from platinum passing through their mothers’ milk."
"Occupational exposure to crystalline silica and risk of systemic lupus
erythematosus:
A population-based, case-control study in the Southeastern United States:
These results suggest that crystalline silica exposure may promote the development of SLE in some individuals. Additional research is
recommended in other populations, using study designs that minimize
potential selection bias and maximize the quality of exposure
assessment."
WHAT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS POST:
1.) The clinical trials & "research" done to "prove" there is no connection between silicone and autoimmune issues was severely flawed. You're obviously not going to find correlations with people who aren't even predisposed to having autoimmune disorders! Here are MANY of the flaws of these studies:
2.) Silicone is a man-made chemical, and obviously people who have an autoimmune disease already (meaning their body attacks its own healthy cells thinking they are foreign invaders) are going to have issues with their body naturally attacking foreign invaders, therefore making them sick.
3.) Obviously this does not apply to ~*every*~ person who has an autoimmune disorder. Just to those who are sensitive and/or allergic to silicone, in this case. Afterall, it HAS been proven that several people have developed antibodies to silicone in their blood much like someone would develop toward a virus such as HIV/AIDS.










Did you actually read that? It proves nothing as far as I'm concerned, but it's your body, I couldn't care less what you want to believe or not believe.
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There is tons of scientific evedence out there! My friend was one in the original class action suit against dow corning the original maker of silicone. I read tons of case files of scientific evidence. Theres plenty of books out there and surgeons who will tell you they can cause autoimmune disease. It's a foreign object in the body and it's comr mon sense that the microphages, the scavengers that rid the body of foriegn material feast on the shells of the implants trying to rid them from the body. They've also found men with silicone implants and women with implants who breast feed have the same symotoms. Actally aussiepunkrocker posted a ton of scientific data years ago on this site, her freind is dying from her implants, so maybe before you all go making statements you should do your research!





There is like 100 carcinogens in the shells of implants, I read asbestos and a bunch of other things and my friends symtoms improved when she had hers out. I've been around since the girls I worked with had the dow implants and tons of them got sick.




Instead of implants, could you go with a fat-transfer to gain more breast tissue? Does having fat-transfers effect being immuno-compromised (is that the same as having autoimmune disease?)? I'm totally ignorant but I've had implants. Its way too much an invasive process to put yourself through. I'd assume the healing time alone would be damaging enough. Sorry this is such a bummer. Stupid silicone.![]()
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Silicone implant shells are basically inert and for all intensive purposes, non-reactive inside the body.
I'm sure there are ladies that have had a bad reaction to implants (not even talking about the liquid silicone's of yesteryear, I mean co-gels & saline implants in silicone shells). I've heard crazier things, Heck, some folks are allergic to SUNLIGHT! But it's not a common thing, it's not to be expected, and it's certainly not the norm.





Being allergic to sunlight is totally a lupus thing! When I first got it, I would go in the sun for like 5-10 minutes and my skin would feel really hot for like an hour afterward. About 30 minutes after I was out of the sun, I saw small red dots appearing all over the areas that were exposed to sun. They would grow and grow, and after about another 15 mintues, that whole area would turn red. But it wasn't a sunburn at all. It was a weird itchy, growing rash. It would go away after like two hours of being out of the sun. lol all things are possible.





Most of the fat is reabsorbed into the body as little as 6 months after you get them, and is usually mostly gone by 2 years. I mean, you *could* do that, but it would essentially be equivalent to getting juvaderm injected into your lips every 6 months - 1 year. That's why I originally got silikon 100 silicone lip injections. Because it was permanent. Obviously that was a dumb idea because look what its done to me in just 2 and a half years.
Luckily I have a lot of breast tissue. I was just being greedy wanting enormous ones lol. Its almost a good thing that I've been sick these past couple years because I would have otherwise gotten them and made things a million times worse on myself without ever knowing.





Aren't the shell of implants nowadays the same thing they using in some joint replacements and pacemakers??? Anyhoo regardless you really cant say anything "causes" it... its simply a correlation. With the right methods you can find a correlation on pretty much anything. I certainly hope these people who feel they are dying from their implants have them removed. I mean if I thought my health was being affected by mine I wouldn't have to think about it twice. But Ive had no problems at all. I know GR you've decided against it and I think thats a good decision. Really anyone with a health issue is putting themselves more at risk. Some who is normally healthy shouldn't have a problem though.
Did you guys know that there are carcinogens in tea, coffee, peanuts, burnt meat (yes your well done steak is a carcinogen)... theres a whole bunch more that we all come into contact with everyday (Had a lecture on it today unfortunately the slides aren't posted yet so these are just the ones I remember off the top of my head). I know we are talking about autoimmune and not cancer but just trying to demonstrate that there are a lot of correlations out there that show how things affect health and really at the end of the day we are all dying from the minute we are born.
Theres about a million more unhealthy things you can do to yourself that are worse than a silicone shell and most of us probably do these things 2-3x week ie. not getting enough sleep, drinking, smoking, drugs (both prescription and illegal), eating horrible fatty food. Also the reason its only a correlation is any of these factors probably have a much greater impact and since we cannot control for them in a study, how can we say it wasn't something else? Ive read the studies myself when doing research for my surgery and personally didn't think the body of evidence was strong enough. I also didn't think there were enough studies in general so not to say it isn't related... but nothing has proven that to me yet.
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Starina a foreign object inside the body is not inert. When I was doing my research I talked to the vp of magann and he said bcause of the scar tissue formed around the implant the body it was thought to not effect the immune system since it didn't now the implant was there.Lol. Anyways my girlfriend had her salines tested after they came out and these were new 6 month old implants and they had fungus and all sorts of things that definitely could make you sick(your immune system over respond. Anyways I have implants but I've been dancing 14 plus years and now girls who've had silicone implants from the 90's and more than a few were sick from them. That's why anyone who gets silicone now is supposed to be put in a study and followed closely. Also my gf who had issues blood testd positive for silicone. You girls don't have to believe shit but you should be aware incase you start having unexplained illness.





^ except the silicone used now is far far far from that used in the 80s/early 90s... they cannot be compared as the same product. I believe over 90% of implants done in Australia have been silicone for over 10 yrs and europe would have similar stats.... cohesive is not even close to the original silicone used... its a totally different product and cohesive implants do not rupture as easily as saline. Theres an awesome video on youtube unfortunately I can't find it where a PS drops a silicone implant and saline implant off a building.. only the saline bursts and then he drives over both of them in his car and again only the saline bursts.





Silicone is silicone, only difference is there a gel instead of liquid now. Doesn't matter as I said we have microphages (sp) that are scavengers of the body. When I was doing my research they said because of these scavengers women with saline were found with slicone throughout their organs and it's believes that these scavengers fed off the shell and try to rid the body instead it was brought throughout the organs. There's lots of books..... the silicone holocaust and many others with prominent plastic surgeons saying this. What you guys want to believe debate it's up to you. My moms a surgical nurse for 40 years and use to work for a plastic surgeon so she has seen alot since she was around women with implants for like 20 plus years.





All I know is when my salines ruptured my neck lymph node got swollen for two weeks. I thought it was over stress. I still got a physical but nothing came out & I demanded antibiotics from my first PS.
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