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    It has been said before and I will say it again:

    An undercover cop can act outside the letter of the law and STILL arrest you.


    This is a story from Newark NJ regarding a massage parlor.

    According to the police report, obtained Thursday by The Star-Ledger, the undercover officer—who was wired for sound—pleasured himself as he fondled the 22-year-old woman who was later arrested on prostitution charges.



    http://gothamist.com/2011/10/07/newa..._ops_after.php
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    ^^^ yup standard fare these days ... i.e. undercover vice first getting the HJ / BJ / FS they 'paid for', and then busting the girl who provided the service ( while also taking their marked bills back ) !!!

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    This is the kind of shit that emphasizes my already shitty Monday.

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    It's bullshit. They should not be allowed to actually accept the sex/sexual favors and then take the money back. They should only be allowed to accept a solicitation offer verbally, and discuss prices. It's simply adding insult to injury to receive a hand job, pay for it, and then arrest the woman AND take back the money. Unless there is sex trafficking or dangerous pimping involved then there are better ways to spend our nation's tax dollars! Prostitution should be legal anyway. If women didn't live in fear of being busted they would be able to interview clients in person beforehand and inform hotel staff of what they were doing. Hiring security through a reputable company would be easier too, less explaining to do.
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    I've been hearing a lot about this. If I recall some places even want the cop the engage in the sexual activity to prove it is happening. Sick and wrong. I too believe escorting and massage parlors should be legal.

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    This is why I'm so careful around the guys that start pushing boundaries and trying to get away with shit. That sends up instant red flags as far as I'm concerned.
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    Unless there is sex trafficking or dangerous pimping involved then there are better ways to spend our nation's tax dollars! Prostitution should be legal anyway.
    While I happen to personally agree with your position, it is after all a political position ... and thus probably subject to the SW politics ban.

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    I hope she sues for entrapment. That is absurd.

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    ^^^ as to the probable success of any 'entrapment' lawsuit, a large number of lower courts have ruled that undercover ( vice ) cops are allowed to engage in technically illegal behavior in the greater interest of 'justice'. Different laws allow for police seizure of 'ill gotten gains' i.e. the proceeds from illegal activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ yup standard fare these days ... i.e. undercover vice first getting the HJ / BJ / FS they 'paid for', and then busting the girl who provided the service ( while also taking their marked bills back ) !!!
    So true....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    It's bullshit. They should not be allowed to actually accept the sex/sexual favors and then take the money back. They should only be allowed to accept a solicitation offer verbally, and discuss prices.
    The word "should" is an interesting word indeed.

    I think this site has, at times, shared a hot mess of misinformation regarding undercover cops, vice stings, what is/isn't an arrestable offense, etc.

    I'm not attacking your post, I understand that you are discussing the issue in theoretical terms. Just to be clear. I get what you are saying. However, the first two sentences threw me for a loop at first. It reminded me of some of the stuff I have read here, probably some stuff that I had written (when I didn't know better), and how important it is for everyone to be aware of the huge difference between what law enforcement is supposed to do and what law enforcement actually does.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lokikola View Post
    This is the kind of shit that emphasizes my already shitty Monday.
    To be fair, I posted this on a Friday.

    Sorry you had a bad day though.
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    Reminds me of a certain song by Corey Smith...

    Law enforcement today greatly saddens me.
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    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    I do think this is important for all sex workers to know, whether they engage in sex or not. It's never happened to me but I know several dancers who were arrested just for comments.

    Btw, it's important to mention that the old myth about a cop lying he's a cop is a myth. I know when I started dancing I was told that if I ask a guy if he's a cop and he says no he can't arrest me. This is a complete 100% lie. They can lie and do.

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    ^^^

    Exactly right. How do you think "deep cover" cops don't get shot their first day on the case?
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Just like cops can speed to catch speeders, the law doesn't apply to them. Cops can have sex with you then arrest you. (With their buddies listening and watching in the next room, waiting for the 'right moment' to burst in...)

    They also have no sense of humor: An airport bus driver was arrested for solicitation when he asked a female decoy "if she gave group discounts" while he was stopped at a light. The prosecutor was quoted saying it was justified as he had asked about 'services for money'...

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    I read this story when AOL first posted it a week or so ago. I've been trying to forget about it since then. I'm not sure why but it really makes my stomach turn and it doesn't help that I live in Newark. I can think of a million better things that the police here (or anywhere) could be doing other than going to massage parlors, getting their rocks off, and then arresting a young woman or two. Newark has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country and rather than doing something productive to stop that, the police choose to do this instead. This makes my blood boil.

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    Like a train wreck, hard to stop watching:

    "According to the police report, the woman offered the undercover officer various sexual favors, but then he declined her advances, repeatedly saying he was "new to this." Eventually, he told her he would like to pleasure himself while touching her breast, the report said.
    The woman asked for money "up front" for the massage, and the officer paid her $40, according to the report. Once he began pleasuring himself, the officer asked "how much more for the breast touch." She replied "whatever," and the officer gave her another $40, the report said.
    Vice detectives swooped in moments later and arrested two women, charging them with promoting prostitution and several narcotics offenses, the report said."


    http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...ew_underc.html

    Yes, charged with prostitution for allowing the officer to touch her breast. WTF is wrong with the laws in our country?! The fact that no one steps up to fix this crap really bothers me. The only saving grace is that for once the officer's photo is posted and not the 'prostitutes'...

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    I was arrested by an under cover cop in Sept. I was walking to a group of indian guys when he grabbed my arm and pulled to him

    i gave him a dance and he got me for sob class B misdemeanor

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFMNH44 View Post
    The only saving grace is that for once the officer's photo is posted and not the 'prostitutes'...
    The photo in the article on NJ.com isn't of the cop. It's of the Police Director, who is supposedly "investigating" the issue. But his flippant comments regarding the undercover officer's conduct lead me to think he has already made up his mind.

    A photograph of an undercover officer published on the interwebs???? SUPER Unlikely.
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    The woman involved was arrested, so the sting was successful, but DeMaio has made it a point to personally approve all future operations. Oh, okay.

    http://www.complex.com/city-guide/20...titution-sting

    In a city so plagued with crime, it is shocking to see public resources squandered.

    6 police officers wasting time/funds/equipment/etc. to bust 1 twenty-two year old woman.

    Newark has a rough crime problem. So (sarcasm) I see why Officer Cop-a-Feel would rather investigate a young woman's breasts than possibly engage in a gun fight with truly dangerous individuals. Epic Eyeroll... All in a days work.
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    I don't offer anything but dancing but I heard that cops can arrest you if they take the initiative and put their hands all over you. Is this true?

    I know that I don't do anything illegal but it freaks me out that a cop can violate me (against my will) and then arrest me for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lighthouse View Post
    I don't offer anything but dancing but I heard that cops can arrest you if they take the initiative and put their hands all over you. Is this true?

    I know that I don't do anything illegal but it freaks me out that a cop can violate me (against my will) and then arrest me for it!
    It sounds like they can essentially rape you and then arrest you for it.

    Remember our sexual services are based on consent. The terms of consent are that they (whoever it is) pays you money for x services (be it a dance, a rub, a hj, a bj, full on sex, etc).



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    http://detnews.com/article/20110923/...over-operation

    The details they failed to mention? Yeah, they were vice, and came into my old work (Landing Strip) and had a grand old time, basically doing whatever they could and then not busting anyone for it.

    I think one of them literally got caught with his pants down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFMNH44 View Post
    Just like cops can speed to catch speeders, the law doesn't apply to them. Cops can have sex with you then arrest you. (With their buddies listening and watching in the next room, waiting for the 'right moment' to burst in...)

    They also have no sense of humor: An airport bus driver was arrested for solicitation when he asked a female decoy "if she gave group discounts" while he was stopped at a light. The prosecutor was quoted saying it was justified as he had asked about 'services for money'...
    WOW! That's not justice just quota filling.
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