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    I was arrested for giving a lapdance to an undercover cop in
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    Charged with SOB Violation Misdemeanor class B
    I have gotten a lawyer and turned in my packet for pre trial diversion, next court date is oct 27 to see if they approved it.

    I owe over 2grand for tuition that is due November, I have not worked much since the incident I think maybe twice.

    I'm paranoid of talking to anyone ahhh
    I can not change clubs because my id expired and I can't renew it for some reasons

    so idk what to do bc i really need to get tuition money for the remainder of next semester and the upcoming one

    Another thing my club is extremely slow due to all the cops coming in they have come in 3 times in total and Idk if they have returned since my arrest.

    Even strictly day shift girls are moving to nights.
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    Get hooked up with the party companies and start doing parties? Otherwise cam?

    You can go to your financial office at school and tell them there was a family sickness or something similar and that you had to contribute money and now you're short. They should be able to work out a payment arrangement. You'll be charged interest (mine charged me 3% a month,) but you should slowly be able to chip away at it.

    The thing is-- it's REALLY easy to get behind once you have a payment arrangement. I had something similar happen and now, a couple years later, I owe my college 4,000 instead of 3,200 (I don't remember the exact amount.) It sucks owing someone that much money.

    You can also look to camming but for fast cash now, I say travel on the weekend to another club, or else look to party dancing.
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    The 'sexually oriented business' Misdemeanor charge, if allowed to 'stick', is going to prevent you from obtaining / renewing a dancer's license ... which isn't going to be helpful earning tuition money if you remain in a city that requires dancers' licenses like Houston .

    It's also going to potentially show up in pre-employment background checks after you graduate. Is your college major in a subject where potential employers are very picky about employee backgrounds, like education / finance / law enforcement / medical ?

    Have you talked to your attorney about the possibility / risks of going to trial and going to appeal in an effort to have this charge dismissed altogether / being found innocent - and thus expunged from your record ?

    The point I'm driving at here is that, in terms of short term sacrifice versus long term benefits, it might be worth considering postponing your college studies ( and thus tuition payments ) for a bit, and instead divert your available funds towards a high horsepower attorney who has some chance of making this charge 'disappear'. Keep in mind that accepting a 'plea bargain' is legally equivalent to an admission of guilt ... meaning that while you may be able to 'walk away' after paying a fine, your record will not be 'erased'. Thus your college degree may be of 'reduced value' if you must list a 'sexually oriented business' misdemeanor charge on every job application ( which will probably cause your resume' to go to the bottom of the pile or fall in the waste basket ).

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    If they offer diversion take it. If it's approved stay out the club, away from people who do drugs or get in trouble and it will disappear. If not, a simple traffic stop or party where the cops appear and someone has drugs, an open liquor container or any other situation where they can charge multiple people with the same thing will void your diversion and the charge will stand. Traffic citations do not count. You need a good record to have a good life. Thank Goodness the clubs I worked where dances were illegal, but tolerated had corporate lawyers. There though the didn't press too hard because all they wanted was money. Where I'm from a dance ticket is $95 I believe and without a lawyer if you show up in court they give you two court dates and get $150 out of you and dismiss them. If you use club lawyer then one court date and its $75 and dismissed and expunged on same date. Figure out your situation and stay on top of it. Even if you hire a lawyer make sure YOU know every court date. Don't just ask your lawyer. Call court and verify to make sure you are aware of what is happening every step of the way.

    If you live in a town where all of a sudden they are hitting the clubs repeatedly: LISTEN to Melonie. I come from the South. Extortion is how they roll. Does anyone here realize lap dances are technically illegal in Memphis? Now, how many girls have worked there and were never told until vice rolled in or worked and never knew with no problem? It's only when they need money or election time. They actually have quotas that they create based on the number of girls working for particular clubs that determined how many citations they issued.
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    I'm glad that I came across this thread. I was arrested in late August on Class A misdemeanor violation of an SOB order- I had no license because that county's sherrif's department told me that I didn't need one and the club told me the same when I got hired.

    I admit to being young and dumb. I've got myself into a little trouble in the past, both misdemeanors that are pretty run of the mill (public intoxication on one occasion, possession of marijuana on the other). Those sorts of things don't bother me much because, if some one stumbles upon those charges ten years down the road, I can say "I was 21 and doing the experimental thing." This one DOES concern me because the charge could interfere with my ability to obtain a license later down the road and will reflect in an especially negative way if I try to do anything political (which could be an option in my little activist mind).

    I lost just about everything when I moved back here from Houston, and I was barely scraping by at the podunk little club where I got arrested here. I can't really afford a lawyer. Any advice on how I can handle this? I was well behaved and compliant during the arrest, to the point of being polite and completely unphased (I knew I was going to get arrested fairly quickly and being non-compliant was just going to make things harder on myself and the other girls). The other girls and I repeated multiple times to every person who would listen that we were told multiple times that we did not need licenses. The booking officer even enjoyed our conversation enough to let me read the (shining) police reports from my particular arrest. Do you think extra sweetness and compliance, with a dose of dilligence, will pay off?
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    Whats SOB? Is a class A mis. worse than class B? I got arrested once for either class b or c (simulation of sex act in the club-public lewdness charge)and it never prevented me from getting my businesses licenses. It also does not show up on my background checks. I have always been afraid of getting busted by an undercover since (my time it was a uniformed cop that walked in the door when i was on stage), however I am a very clean dancer and proof that anyone can get arrested. I definitely would not go back to the club where you got arrested if you know they are still having busts.

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    It didn't interfere with getting a license because the charge wasn't directly related to a sexually oriented business. Anyone on the street can get that charge if they're rubbing on themselves.

    Misdemeanors are classed C, B, A- C being the lowest and A being the highest. My marijuana charge was a Class B, but it can be upgraded to a Class A if I get arrested for the same charge again. Felonies are classed 3, 2, 1- 3 being lowest and 1 being highest.

    The official charge is "Class A misdemeanor violation of a sexually oriented business order". Anything adult industry business (sex shops, strip clubs, etc) are subject to SOB licensing which can vary depending on the state, county and city in which it is located. According to the county where I was arrested, both business and employees including dancers must have an SOB license. None of the dancers had licenses because we had all been told (some by the club, some by the county, some by BOTH) that we didn't need individual licensing.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Do you think extra sweetness and compliance, with a dose of dilligence, will pay off?
    According to the county where I was arrested, both business and employees including dancers must have an SOB license. None of the dancers had licenses because we had all been told (some by the club, some by the county, some by BOTH) that we didn't need individual licensing.

    The degree to which an 'understanding' arresting officer can actually be of help ultimately depends on the 'mood' of the local DA ... who is the person who ultimately makes the decision as to whether the charges will be prosecuted in local court, whether a 'plea bargain' will be accepted ( which means pleading guilty to a lesser / unrelated charge ), whether a 'conditional discharge' will be accepted ( which I take it is referred to as a 'diversion' in Texas ? ) or whether the charges can be dropped outright. The arresting officer is, from a purely legal standpoint, only able to offer evidence about the arrest ... which in this case means confirming that you did not have the required Sexually Oriented Business license.

    As to the potential argument that you were told by county sherriff's department employees that a dancer you did not need a separate SOB license, if you can produce a county employee name and a date this could be of value to negotiate an outright dismissal of charges. However, if the DA isn't co-operative, taking advantage of this argument will also require you to turn down offers of 'conditional discharge' ( aka a 'diversion' in Texas ) and 'plea bargains' in order to get your case in front of a jury. But this also means risking being found guilty of 'being a stripper' by a jury of jealous housewives and bible thumping retirees, followed by being sentenced to any penalty the law allows ( i.e. up to 6 months jail time plus fines in the $1000 ballpark ? ) for a Class B misdemeanor. It's a sad fact that, where exotic dancers are concerned, 'proving your innocence' can be risky as well as expensive.

    Personally speaking, entering into a 'conditional discharge' agreement ( again assuming that this is called a 'diversion' in Texas ) sucks because another bust for just about anything other than a traffic violation will de-facto result in your being found guilty of the original charge without benefit of a trial, but with all of the associated legal penalties and criminal record entries. As Divyne pointed out, it's all too easy to wind up being busted again if you continue to dance, as well as being busted as a 'by-product' of something illegal being done by a friend / group. And if you accept a 'conditional discharge' agreement or a 'plea bargain' agreement, you essentially give up your future right to appeal the original charge since acceptance amounts to a legal admission of guilt. This fact can also haunt you if a future bust were to occur, since it could count as a 'previous offense' ( unless your records have been COMPLETELY expunged ... and not just 'erased' for disclosure to private detectives / potential employers outside of LE / court system ... something which usually requires a separate court motion and a separate legal fee ), thus potentially subjecting you to more serious 'repeat offender' charges and penalties.

    Also, from a purely legal standpoint, 'ignorance of the law is no excuse'. If the local DA and/or local Judge want to be sticklers about it, the supposed fact that you were told by county employees and the clubowner that no SOB license was required actually means nothing from a purely legal viewpoint. However, a 'reasonable' jury would probably consider the fact that you asked in advance - and were told by a county sherriff's dep't employee that no SOB license was needed - as 'reasonable doubt'. Of course, it will probably require some official corroboration from that county employee and not just the word of a 'stripper'.

    While my situation may have been a bit different as a 'feature dancer' ... whose income would be severely limited if I couldn't obtain dancers licenses in Atlanta, Vegas etc. if a sexually oriented charge appeared on my record, I'll relay my own experience with a bogus bust. To try and clear my record, I turned down plea bargain and conditional discharge offers and went to trial in a local court ( in a different state 1000 miles from home ). The bible thumpers and jealous housewives on the local jury found me guilty. I then filed an appeal and went to trial in appeals court ... where the is no jury and where senior judges just look at cold hard facts ... and was found innocent. Thus I was able to prove my innocence and keep my squeaky clean record ... at a total cost approaching $10,000 between legal fees, lost earnings, and travel expenses !

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    Diversion is typically offered for a first offender. If you don't get re arrested, indicted, charged they will dismiss and expunge your record as part of the deal with no plea or record. Not in every city, but in most cities. If it's not like that where you live, it's not worth doing the program for a limited or no contest deal. Hire a lwayer and go to court. Listen to Melonie. I went through regular Memphis bullcrap and corporate got us through. Steve Cooper pays the lawyers and cops a lot. Melonie went through a situation that could damage her career and it cost her a bankroll and publicity. Check your local laws and be as smart as you can about this.
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    they will dismiss and expunge your record as part of the deal with no plea or record
    I would, however, point out that while the 'normal' record will be expunged ... thus making events 'invisible' to private detectives, prospective future employers etc. ... the 'confidential' LE only record will still exist. This does leave open the possibility of 'repeat offender' concerns should a future bust ever happen even after successful completion of the original 'diversion' a.k.a. 'conditional discharge' deal.


    Melonie went through a situation that could damage her career and it cost her a bankroll and publicity
    yup ... I've still got a copy of the original local newspaper coverage somewhere ... with the headline "Big Bust Bust !"

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    Ok from what I was told it was that if I'm approved for pre trial diversion my case will be dismissed after a year and then after that exponged after 2. So employers shouldn't be able to see this right?

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    So fine divine is it houston ur talking about when if u show up with a lawyer it gets dismissed?

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    Ok from what I was told it was that if I'm approved for pre trial diversion my case will be dismissed after a year and then after that exponged after 2. So employers shouldn't be able to see this right?
    Correct. Potential employers, private detectives, and any other agency outside the Law Enforcement community will not be able to see anything about this charge and 'diversion' a.k.a. 'conditional discharge' after you successfully satisfy the conditions of the discharge and the waiting period expires. However, within the Law Enforcement community, a record of the charge and it's conditional discharge WILL remain on file ... and can potentially still be used against you as a 'prior offense' if you were to be busted again in the future.

    And technically speaking this is not the same as a 'dismissal' ... where the DA actually drops charges, and where both the 'normal' record available to employers / private detectives / attorneys, and the Law Enforcement Community only record, are immediately expunged.

    However, I should also point out that thanks to the internet there is a growing presence of search engine records, cached pages of online newspaper versions, private databases etc. that do NOT get expunged along with the LE record. Thus while a potential future employer would not be able to see an official police record of the bust after the conditions of the discharge are satisfied and the waiting period expires, there is an increasing probability that the bust could still show up on an employer lexus-nexus search, google search, private database search etc. Unfortunately, there's no easy way that I am aware of to force these non-gov't related entities to also erase any records they may have 'captured'. So from that standpoint, if your name and the charge against you appeared on the Houston Chronicle police blotter page right after your arrest, it will probably remain available on the net forever !

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    When you go to court tell have your attorney tell them that being arrested for ??? is interfering with your education and you don't appreciate being harassed economically by the city because that is exactly what it is.




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    Ugh, this is a huge bunch of crap. The only reason we even got raided is because it was election time and bible thumpers wanted to be rid of the last club in the area (we were grandfathered in, so shutting us down means no more SOBs until some one gets enough backing to change city ordinance)

    So, at this rate, I'm guessing my best bet is to try to get into contact with anyone I can in relation to the case (DA etc) to find out all the details I can, then ask for case diversion (they basically put you on probation and drop charges if you stay out of trouble for the entire duration of that probation period)? If I'm found guilty, it could result in $2,000 (if I remember right on the amount) fine and/or 365 in county jail at the maximum. I'm really not scared of being found guilty, I just don't want this getting in the way later.

    As for public record like news sites, I was smart about my rights when the camera crew was there and politely asked "Why am I being recorded? I do not wish for my image to appear in the news," so all that appeared on the website was what the police released (still embarrassing, but not as badly as if they had actually aired me on the evening news). And I'm sure that won't be too much of an issue when I have my name legally changed later on.
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    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elijah View Post
    So fine divine is it houston ur talking about when if u show up with a lawyer it gets dismissed?
    NO! I am from Memphis. Get educated on your laws where you live. It is important as a dancer. Lap dances are technically illegal in Memphis and there are still at least 8 clubs. They never told us this and as a dancer there, you don't find out until vice comes in. It's periodic and timed to election and police money needs there.
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    The OP needs to talk to her lawyer for ACCURATE information. Any advice coming from here is hearsay from a legal perspective.
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    We had the same problem in Dallas. Over 20 of us got arrested. They just took our pictures, we didn't go to jail. I decided to use the club attorney and I am very happy I did. He was very familiar with the case. We went to trial.

    I had told him that I had danced for the undercover cop and that after I danced he said, "Oh Sh*t! My boss is here and my friend and I are going to get into trouble." My attorney found that interesting and researched it. Turns out he and his friend had been at court earlier that day testifying at a trial and decided to stop by afterwards. My attorney used that in court. Also, every single one of the "complaints" (I guess you would call it) were written exactly the same for each dancer. Only difference was the color of the thong they were wearing. When the judge heard that he dismissed the jury and asked if we wanted a mistrial. I said no if they could still try us later so we went on with the trial. I was found innocent.

    The club did have to move because the Mayor of the city was on a mission. From what I heard, the cops have been back many times since. This was during day-shift.

    I would say using the club attorney helps because he gets information from all dancers arrested and what he finds out can help others.

    Just my experience.

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    p.s. I can't say how much the attorney cost because a customer of mine paid for it, but I think it was less than $1,000.00.

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    So, court on Tuesday. Fingers crossed. Hopefully this will all be over soon and won't be a big issue.
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    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Good Luck! I know it is scary.

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    Court Oct 27 Ahhhh ill update

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    We all plead not guilty. I'll get my own lawyer. Job hunt today!

    Apparently, the case is a whole lot shakier than I was lead to believe. Like, county officials and attorneys saying it's a waste of time and money that's only being taken this seriously because it's being covered in the media during an election year.

    No mention of the pot charge, so I'm assuming they're not actively pursuing that charge (which is ridiculous. They'd have got me harder for the accompanying pipe than the marijuana anyway, and it was like 2 grams of dirt weed at best) or they're waiting to talk about it in court.

    Status hearing on Jan 10 to see where I am with getting a lawyer. Docket call and jury selection in April. Jeezus, out of all of this, NONE of it irked me as bad as reading "jury selection".
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    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
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    ^^^ for better or worse, your worries about 'jury selection' may be justified. If you wind up with a bunch of bible thumping retirees, jealous housewives, civil servants etc. your lawyer may wind up playing to a very 'un'receptive audience !

    Also, since there was a group of dancers all busted at once, you also have the potential opportunity of 'working' your case in the local press i.e. making a public statement about 'trumped up' charges, election year opportunism by local politicians, wasting taxpayers money etc. Sometimes the negative press coverage will get the local DA to back off ... but sometimes it will make the local DA seek maximum penalties too ! This is something to discuss with your local attorney once you select one.

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    Most definitely. I've been wondering how I can spin this with certain news centers (one in particular has been especially nice, despite their indirect support of the case going to trial- they were even nice enough to answer my own questions during the raid and left every photo of me off their website and evening news reports when I told them politely that I was uncomfortable being shown in the media, except for the police released mugshot) Maybe if I could raise enough noise and have unrelated supporters step forward in our favor? It'd be nice to get some one accepted as "in the know" to speak up about what they know.

    Even the county attorney is willing to work with us privately regarding the possible improper execution of the bust. Things are kinda looking up, I think. But I'm still worried about the jury. The best I can think to do about that is appeal to the things that matter to these right wing jerks- the fact that we have been put out of work, harrassed by perverts because of our exposure, and the fact that several girls have had to apply for government aid that's funded by their tax dollars.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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