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    Quote Originally Posted by billh View Post
    There are some guys who have the attitude that they will not tip a girl who won't take clothes off so it is sort of a "who will act first?" deal, the customer is waiting for the dancer to take clothes off before tipping and vice versa.
    I guess that if this ^^ is the situation then it's just a matter of the girl deciding what here priorities are...if the trade off of taking off her top for a potentially non-tipping customer is worth it or if she's happy with the money she's already making.

    Bottom line: I am an independent contractor. If I want to take my clothes off I will, and if I don't want to I won't. If the club wants to fire me for it, that's their business. If customers don't like it....oh well.

    A big part of what I love about this job is that I can pretty much do whatever I want and I seem to make great money doing just that.
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    That's exactly it, dancers are independent contractors and don't work for the club. In fact dancers pay to work there. I once told someone that if clubs want to make sure they strip on stage then maybe they need to pay a stage fee so there is less of this. I definitely did not think it was fair I had to take off my top for non paying customers THEN pay the club as well.

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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    i read the first post and thought "no one gives a shit".

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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    The club pays us here therefore we are required to take our panties off on stage. We have two girls who refuse to get naked so they are paid half of what everyone else is. <--I'm by no means a top earner so I can't afford to do this, lol.

    I confess, if it were an option I wouldn't get naked on stage. (I) think that a majority of men are visualy stimulated and so by not showing them everything on stage wouldn't they be more motivated to get a lapdance? The number one excuse for not getting a lapdance is 'but I can see everything on stage' which is true, especially in a high-stage-contact club. Sometimes I even find myself wonderig what the point of getting a lapdance in a club where you can see and touch the girls on stage is, lol. jmho

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    i read the first post and thought "no one gives a shit".
    Many guys that target nude clubs do so because they are looking for nudity. In fact, in many areas, guys are enduring additional burdens, such as alcohol restrictions, additional door fees, driving extra distances, etc., in order to visit a nude club instead of a topless one.

    Many of the local and road clubs I visit are topless, but every once in a while I will go through the additional hastles necessary to go to a nude joint. When I visit a club that markets itself as all nude, then any girl in that club that opts not to go fully nude is immediately slotted into my "waste of time" category. If I wanted topless I could have gone down the street and would not have had to deal with a longer drive, purchasing my own bottle of liquor, restrictions on hard alcohol, etc.

    Anyway, just one customer's opinions fwiw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    But the problem I ran into at the one club is these guys would sit there for hours not tipping so you knew when you got on stage they wouldn't tip. If I thought they might tip I would take off my top, but a few times when they didn't I put it right back on. This same club did dollar dances where most of the dancers took off their top but I didn't. I knew these guys wouldn't tip so why should I take off my top?
    You have a point there, if they did not tip the dancers before you who "bared all", your odds of getting them off their butts for your stage turn are not that great.

    On the flip side, it is just as annoying for guys who do tip, buy dances and VIPs, to go up to the stage for a dancer who has caught your eye, tip her very well and after her set, watch her head towards guys who haven't spent a dime on her and everyone knows they won't the rest of the night and hang with them most of the night despite the fact you have money burning a whole in your pocket. I always loved at the end of the night to hear them lament that they just can't make money at the club.

    Sorry about the thread jack but the two issues are somewhat related.

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    Those types of dancers (I've worked with ones like that)are just plain douches. I went where the money was and after I got offstage the first guys I asked where the ones tipping at the stage. This is why at most clubs I got their early so I could be first in rotation. This is why I lated years making money and those types never do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Those types of dancers (I've worked with ones like that)are just plain douches. I went where the money was and after I got offstage the first guys I asked where the ones tipping at the stage. This is why at most clubs I got their early so I could be first in rotation. This is why I lated years making money and those types never do.
    Eh, I don't know if they were douches, just not too bright. From reading your posts I can tell you are pretty smart so the fact you succeeded in the clubs doesn't surprise me.

    I also blame management of the club. If a manager sees this going on, he/she should instruct the dancer to leave the dead beats and "work the club" for dances. It is not too hard to notice if a guy is interested in a dancer. He will attempt to catch the dancer's eye, especially if she is walking by. Amazes me how I can notice this but managers and many dancers cannot.

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    The only time I notice dancers not getting nekkid on stage (or only flashing the kitty) is if no one is tipping. Thankfully, that is a rare occurrence at the nude clubs I visit. If I see it heading in that direction, I will try to go tip the dancer even if I am pre-occupied with someone else. No one should be expected to work for free.

    As far as pre-judging a dancers LD qualifications based on her stage nudity, I agree w/ yoda that it is not necessarily a good indicator of the quality of her lapdances.
    A conservative or shy dancer on stage might be a real tiger in private

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    I make better money keeping the thong on and just giving peeks to the ones interested in paying for my time after. And I take my sweet ass time peeling off my clothes while slowly dancing in circles. I attract respectful customers who really appreciate a sexy lady. They usually spend well and next time they come straight to me. I can't stand guys that want a free or bargain show and expect to see ovaries. It makes me uncomfortable, actually. Takes the fun of putting on a sexy show away. If a guy wants to see pink then he can get lots of dances or go to champagne, but most guys that choose to do that have a different fantasy in mind. A few years ago when stage was profitable I handled it differently, but this is what I do now.

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    I still laugh when I hear the "independent contractor" line.

    Yes, dancers are independent contractors. No, this does not mean you get to make up your own rules. You are free to work anywhere you are hired, and are free to leave at anytime without notice, but you are still required to follow the clubs rules.

    It would be the same as if you hired someone to come remodel your bathroom, and they did the walls green instead of pink because they're a contractor and they can do what they want. You'd be pissed too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StripClubPsych View Post
    I still laugh when I hear the "independent contractor" line.
    Laugh if you want but that little bit of deception was dreamed up by club owners, not dancers. The transition from dancers getting shift pay to having to pay for a shift was when all of this IC baloney started. Prior to that the only true IC's in clubs were traveling feature dancers.

    Fact is, Massachusetts recently ruled that dancers are not independent contractors and several other states have either done the same or have law suits pending that will change the employment status of dancers.

    While I agree that the club policy needs to be followed that also cuts both ways. If you are going to tell dancers that they have to be naked by the second song then you also have to refuse to let guys who don't tip sit at the stage. It's not as simple as "do what I say or go work someplace else".
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    Weighing in on original point: Agree with OP and Rick. If I go to club advertising itself as nude, I expect the dancers to be naked. Using a charter boat analogy: If Captain Jack advertises himself as a deep sea marlin fishing boat, one expects that he will go well offshore where the big fish are. As an independent contractor, Captain Jack has a certain degree of latitude where he will take his boat to. But if Captain Jack refuses to go out of sight of land because doing so will make him seasick, how much deepwater fishing business do you think he will get if he only goes where the smaller fish are? If that is the case, Captain Jack should advertise himself as a garden variety fishing boat. Likewise, a dancer having qualms about dancing nude should go to a topless or bikini club.

    As for secondary point of how quick one gets nude being an indicator of potential enjoyment in private area ( ITC or OTC): Not necessarily so. Some that get nude too quick may well be the rough/mechanical go through the motions type versus one more truly involved/engaged with patron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StripClubPsych View Post
    I still laugh when I hear the "independent contractor" line.

    Yes, dancers are independent contractors. No, this does not mean you get to make up your own rules. You are free to work anywhere you are hired, and are free to leave at anytime without notice, but you are still required to follow the clubs rules.

    It would be the same as if you hired someone to come remodel your bathroom, and they did the walls green instead of pink because they're a contractor and they can do what they want. You'd be pissed too.
    Yep, and at my club-and it looks like a lot of others based on the responses in this thread-"the rules" do not include going full nude on stage despite it being a full nude club...so I guess, to keep things in line with your analogy I can paint the walls green if I want to.

    Yes I do have to follow the rules...but those rules are dictated by the club NOT the customer, which some people in this thread seem to be confused about. Plus, rules are pretty slim at my club: (1) don't do anything illegal and (2) if you don't want to pay the house fee then go on stage for 2 songs...no nudity required.

    Other than that I do make my own rules. I charge what I want for my time, I determine when and how I do my job. If I want I can sit around all night-not paint a damn thing-and and no one is going to tell me to do otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeke View Post
    At a nude club I will never get a dance from a girl that doesnt get totally naked on stage (not counting shoes of course):

    Girls that get naked on stage generally give better lapdances - used to get dances from non nakeds but not anymore.

    Girls seems so much hotter when naked - when they wear clothes even if its something small around their hip it just isnt the same.

    Seems only fair to give the $$ to girls that do get naked rather than those that dont.

    Its advertised as a nude club with no alcohol - so get nude.

    Just my opinion.
    you are right, the pussy is the most important part of anything a stripper possibly has to offer. so please, stare at it as long and creepily as possible. we will love you more if you try to hold that dolla over our heads until we spread our legs too. drool a little too and make a very sexy motion with your tongue while you are at it so we will recognize you as someone who majors in cunnilingus. and i am sure you are a big spender, so it is totally worth getting naked in front of everyone for YOU, because of the gigantic sum of 20$ you will spend on one dance before trying to haggle a beej from us while staring at our vaginas and pawing at our titties.

    thank god there are sometimes customers in the club that dont suck.


    also, you dont happen to be a youtube sensation, do you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StripClubPsych View Post
    I still laugh when I hear the "independent contractor" line.

    Yes, dancers are independent contractors. No, this does not mean you get to make up your own rules. You are free to work anywhere you are hired, and are free to leave at anytime without notice, but you are still required to follow the clubs rules.

    It would be the same as if you hired someone to come remodel your bathroom, and they did the walls green instead of pink because they're a contractor and they can do what they want. You'd be pissed too.
    The difference is the independent contractors coming in to paint the walls are being paid. If a dancer dances nude and no one is tipping then she is not only working for free, she may have to pay for the honor of going nude. So no, not the same thing. And most clubs that claim to be independent contractors aren't, between requiring dancers to work certain times, to telling them when they can take lunches. Yes, this happens on independent contracting jobs like painting, but once again they are being paid to come in and do the job. Dancer's aren't.

    If a club is having dancers refusing to go nude, topless or whatever more than likely it is because the club is attracting trashy customers. Maybe to avoid this the club needs to pay the dancer to go nude on stage, or charge an admission fee, which will prevent some of these losers. The dancers who just refuse to strip and there are customers are idiots but I suspect these are a minority of dancers. The one club I danced at nude was optional (it wasn't even mentioned)so the dancer had the choice. The one club where I refused to go topless was a club full of loser trashy men who would sit at stage and not tip anyone, not even waitresses. I shouldn't have to give these guys a dance and they didn't even pay to be there since it was free and even drinks weren't required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    The difference is the independent contractors coming in to paint the walls are being paid. If a dancer dances nude and no one is tipping then she is not only working for free, she may have to pay for the honor of going nude. So no, not the same thing. And most clubs that claim to be independent contractors aren't, between requiring dancers to work certain times, to telling them when they can take lunches. Yes, this happens on independent contracting jobs like painting, but once again they are being paid to come in and do the job. Dancer's aren't.

    If a club is having dancers refusing to go nude, topless or whatever more than likely it is because the club is attracting trashy customers. Maybe to avoid this the club needs to pay the dancer to go nude on stage, or charge an admission fee, which will prevent some of these losers. The dancers who just refuse to strip and there are customers are idiots but I suspect these are a minority of dancers. The one club I danced at nude was optional (it wasn't even mentioned)so the dancer had the choice. The one club where I refused to go topless was a club full of loser trashy men who would sit at stage and not tip anyone, not even waitresses. I shouldn't have to give these guys a dance and they didn't even pay to be there since it was free and even drinks weren't required.
    this.

    to be fair, most nude clubs do have a rather high admission fee which is obviously paid to see naked girls, not to enjoy the best orange juice of your life. however, the girls are not the ones getting the fee.

    how about this? how about creating a work environment that does not constantly piss off hte strippers. no, seriously. in my experience, which spans a lot of strip clubs, the ones where girls are treated with respect are hte ones where the most money is flowing. how about policies that make sense and dont leave girls bitter and pissed off (which often leads to them getting fucked up and belligerent to the customers, which will drive more out than not seeing vagina). maybe a policy where 5$ on the stage before a girl removes he top, 10$ before the bottom and have hte dj announce it so the customers fricken tip? or maybe an incentive like reduced house fees for girls who actually get naked on stage. there we go, everyone wins. maybe you dont suck us as dry, but also in exchange the girls will feel more positively about where they work and will do things like actually sell champagne and or dances or blowjobs or whatever the hell is sold at your particular club instead of sitting in the dressing room screaming about management and crying about the creepy customers who are not tipping.

    so, to be clear since htere are a lot of typos in there that i refuse to fix on my netbook that is built for midgets, naked girls are the incentive for customers to spend money at your club. customers spending money is hte incentive for girls to get naked. keep both of those htings in mind and it really should not be that hard to rectify the situation.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    this.

    to be fair, most nude clubs do have a rather high admission fee which is obviously paid to see naked girls, not to enjoy the best orange juice of your life. however, the girls are not the ones getting the fee.

    how about this? how about creating a work environment that does not constantly piss off hte strippers. no, seriously. in my experience, which spans a lot of strip clubs, the ones where girls are treated with respect are hte ones where the most money is flowing. how about policies that make sense and dont leave girls bitter and pissed off (which often leads to them getting fucked up and belligerent to the customers, which will drive more out than not seeing vagina). maybe a policy where 5$ on the stage before a girl removes he top, 10$ before the bottom and have hte dj announce it so the customers fricken tip? or maybe an incentive like reduced house fees for girls who actually get naked on stage. there we go, everyone wins. maybe you dont suck us as dry, but also in exchange the girls will feel more positively about where they work and will do things like actually sell champagne and or dances or blowjobs or whatever the hell is sold at your particular club instead of sitting in the dressing room screaming about management and crying about the creepy customers who are not tipping.
    Agreed completely. The one club that I mentioned where no one tipped was a club where management treated us like crap. You would think they would have bent over backwards to keep the attractive dancers, but instead they would yell at us because we refused to strip. I had no problem stripping (well I would hope I wouldn't, lol)but wouldn't with these guys. If this club had offered incentives like paying us something or for that matter no house fee there would have been less resentment. Instead of this they raffled off free stage dances where all dancers were expected to dance topless for the winner (who didn't pay for it)and once an hour would have a stupid fashion show where some dancers were required to wear the merchandise, which they would then strip off to a guy who won or bought them (can't remember which)and the girl got none of the money.

    I would think if a club is charging a high admission fee, they could then pay the dancers to go on stage. Even if it's a few dollars it would have made me strip. A couple clubs paid me a stage fee and in return I was required to strip. Because I was making this money I had no problems stripping even if the guys weren't tipping.

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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    I work at a nude club. Sometimes I get fully nude and sometimes I don't. I wonder where my dances rank then? Somewhere in the middle? LOL This logic doesn't make any sense.

    Taking my g-string off has nothing to do with if the guys are tipping. More often than not I forget where I am in my stage set and don't realize it until the end. Other times I just get intimidated by the large or obnoxious crowd (which is why I mostly work days). Oh, and nothing gets me madder than going up to get a tip and a guy telling me to turn around or show him. Its my body, I'll show it when -I- want to.

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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    I never worked at a nude club. From my understanding, in some of them you don't have to show cookie if you don't want to. If it's like that, I personally would not unless you showed me some serious money to get motivated. I wouldn't waste my energy for nothing. Show me the money first, then we're talking.

    Tip the girl and maybe she will show you or give you that hot dance.

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    Between this thread and this one... http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=164382 has me thinking. Some customers want too fkn much for so damn little OR free.

    Lets not forget we're in a recession with clubs filled with cut throating desperate bitches, who have no manners to cut throat in your face. Hours on our aching feet(bc you know, time is money), and lot of times we can't even take a small break to breath(again...bc time is money). We work hard now a days. We get tired easy, cranky, and drained. So please stop with the BS until you're in our (painful)shoes. We dance for a living. Don't forget that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Between this thread and this one... has me thinking. Some customers want too fkn much for so damn little OR free.

    Lets not forget we're in a recession with clubs filled with cut throating desperate bitches, who have no manners to cut throat in your face. Hours on our aching feet(bc you know, time is money), and lot of times we can't even take a small break to breath(again...bc time is money). We work hard now a days. We get tired easy, cranky, and drained. So please stop with the BS until you're in our (painful)shoes. We dance for a living. Don't forget that.
    Unfortunately, this has always been a problem. I have no doubt it's worse now, but even in the 90's I worked at clubs with all these freebie guys. I've probably heard any excuse not tip me (let alone buy dances). I've heard guys tell me I make a lot, I don't need their money, I've been told they just like to watch the show, I've heard they already spent a lot on drinks so why spend more, etc. The fact is many of these guys don't get it. Nothing was worse than working 8 hours or so and walking out with $20 or less.

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    Yeah well, these freebie posters don't need to come into a SUPPORTIVE stripping website telling us to work harder for close to nothing. Fuck kind of shit is that. That's pretty damn ballsy.

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    I agree, but I feel sorry for them. After all, they are alone and will be so this is their only chance to talk to hot women. In the clubs they are ignored once everyone finds out they are cheap douches. I just wish they would keep out of the clubs though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Yeah well, these freebie posters don't need to come into a SUPPORTIVE stripping website telling us to work harder for close to nothing. Fuck kind of shit is that. That's pretty damn ballsy.
    Finally someone's speaking my language on here!

    There are even dancers in this thread saying if it's called a nude club you should be obligated to get nude. Well, we offer lap dances too but I don't do them for free, for fuck's sake. This isn't a charity.

    The post about how some customers "endure additional burdens" to go to an all nude club and therefore should be rewarded for that is....laughable at best. Endure burdens?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    In fact, in many areas, guys are enduring additional burdens, such as alcohol restrictions, additional door fees, driving extra distances, etc., in order to visit a nude club instead of a topless one.
    Haha, I'm sorry but we're talking about going to a strip club for personal pleasure not whether or not you are dying of starvation or something. If you're trying to appeal to this girl's sympathies you're appealing to the wrong person. If you want to talk about burdens lets talk about all of the bullshit girls put up with while working in clubs.

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