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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettJanuary View Post
    There are even dancers in this thread saying if it's called a nude club you should be obligated to get nude. Well, we offer lap dances too but I don't do them for free, for fuck's sake. This isn't a charity.

    The post about how some customers "endure additional burdens" to go to an all nude club and therefore should be rewarded for that is....laughable at best. Endure burdens?!?

    Haha, I'm sorry but we're talking about going to a strip club for personal pleasure not whether or not you are dying of starvation or something. If you're trying to appeal to this girl's sympathies you're appealing to the wrong person. If you want to talk about burdens lets talk about all of the bullshit girls put up with while working in clubs.
    lol Scarlett. My post simply had to do with customer expectations when they go to the trouble of visiting a nude club vs. a less restrictive topless club. I don't think that sympathy comes into the equation on either side of the fence - we are all grown adults.

    And the charity comment is a two way street. IMHO it is not my job to pay you regardless of whether you meet expectations, but rather it is your job to induce me to tip. The old "I don't get nude because I'm not getting tipped" is a classic cop out that often has more to do with personal comfort level than anything else, but it does become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Whether you are in a nude club or a topless club, there will always be some bar hangers and others who take in a free show, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't be trying to maximize your take from the willing wallets. IME the dancers with the best stage and floor presence still sell more than the uptight girls.

    In fact, I feel the same way about girls in a nude club that don't go naked that you do about non-tippers. Most dancers' general position is that if guys are not tipping then why don't they just go to regular bars and stop wasting the dancers' time? Fair enough and I agree. When it comes to nude clubs, my position is that if she doesn't want to get nude, then why doesn't she just go to a topless club and stop wasting my time.

    Anyway, just my fwiw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    The old "I don't get nude because I'm not getting tipped" is a classic cop out that often has more to do with personal comfort level than anything else
    Where exactly does your knowledge of this come from...your days as a stripper? To be honest I have yet to meet a dancer who is not comfortable getting naked.
    Anyways, my personal reasons for not getting nude have nothing to do with whether or not I get tipped. It just has to do with set length since I only do half sets.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    When it comes to nude clubs, my position is that if she doesn't want to get nude, then why doesn't she just go to a topless club and stop wasting my time.

    Anyway, just my fwiw.
    There are no topless clubs where I live...in the entire province or the next one over...that might be part of why girls in my area don't take that option...but besides, I wouldn't work in a topless only club because I don't personally have a problem getting nude...I do it several times a night in private dances.

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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    Quote Originally Posted by ScarlettJanuary View Post
    Where exactly does your knowledge of this come from...your days as a stripper? To be honest I have yet to meet a dancer who is not comfortable getting naked.

    Anyways, my personal reasons for not getting nude have nothing to do with whether or not I get tipped. It just has to do with set length since I only do half sets.

    There are no topless clubs where I live...in the entire province or the next one over...that might be part of why girls in my area don't take that option...but besides, I wouldn't work in a topless only club because I don't personally have a problem getting nude...I do it several times a night in private dances
    Lol. Could be from a lot of time spent in 200+ clubs over 15 years, about 40 of which are nude clubs....just sayin'. But since I know that no customer could possibly understand the multilayered onion of unique feelings and motivations that drives each dancer, I'll qualify my statment with "IMHO."

    And over that time I have met quite a number of dancers in nude clubs who have been uncomfortable getting naked (either stated directly or was otherwise obvious, IMHO, through body language) and some who simply refused to. Enforcement of nudity expectations varies drastically here in the States from region to region and even club to club and it is not uncommon to find girls in some "nude" clubs who rarely, if ever, go nude.

    The situation here in the States is a bit different than where you are as most areas here contain topless and/or bikini clubs. In fact, the vast majority of clubs here are not nude (outside of a couple of states), which is what makes a girl's choice to work in a nude club when she doesn't want to go nude all the more baffling.

    Scarlett, having said all of that, I'm not trying to tell you what to do, nor am I targeting your personal circumstances. Obviously you will do what you see fit. I am simply sharing one customer's experiences and opinions on the topic.
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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    ^Heck, this phenomenon isn't even limited to full nudity, though IMHO it is more common in those circumstances. Every once in a while a girl will come into one of my local topless haunts and refuse to take her top off during her stage set. These girls are often recent transplants from Jersey bikini bars and are clearly not comfortable dancing topless. Needless to say, the girls either learn to get over that problem or they do not last very long.

    Anyway, just my fwiw.

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    dawg, if you understood how creepy men are when they stare at vagina, you would understand why we dont wanna get naked for free.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    dawg, if you understood how creepy men are when they stare at vagina, you would understand why we dont wanna get naked for free.
    Maybe some of them are hoping the woman is a ventriloquist who can make it talk?

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    Ok, to be honest I have never heard of a dancer in a nude club being uncomfortable dancing nude. I know many dancers who are uncomfortable going nude so they stayed at the topless and bikini clubs. I'm not uncomfortable going nude since I have modeled nude and do parties usually nude. Why did I generally avoid nudity required bars? Mostly money. For me it comes down to money. I don't like the idea of showing my body and not making money or have guys comment on my body while not making money. When I worked at one of the topless clubs I refused to take off my top to non tippers. To me it's like working for free. My body is worth more than free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Ok, to be honest I have never heard of a dancer in a nude club being uncomfortable dancing nude. I know many dancers who are uncomfortable going nude so they stayed at the topless and bikini clubs. I'm not uncomfortable going nude since I have modeled nude and do parties usually nude. Why did I generally avoid nudity required bars? Mostly money. For me it comes down to money. I don't like the idea of showing my body and not making money or have guys comment on my body while not making money. When I worked at one of the topless clubs I refused to take off my top to non tippers. To me it's like working for free. My body is worth more than free.
    i was a dancer at a nude club that was uncomfortable going nude. i thought i would get over it and my situation made it so working in the nude club was the best option financially. im ok doing nude dances with SELECT customers who are able to act respectful. I am NOT comfortable going nude on stage with a ton of obnoxious men around, especially when spread is common and every guy is trying desperately to peer between your legs and demanding you to show him that pussy.

    right now i live/work in a topless city. thank god. if NOLA ever made nudity and alcohol legal together, i have no idea what hte fuck i would do (actually thats a lie. i never go on stage as it is anyway.)
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Yea, I've never heard of a dancer uncomfortable with going nude at a nude club. I know with every girl at my club that chooses not to at times it is because the money is not there. I personally won't spread on stage, but during the second lap dance if you have been totally cool and respectful I will. I usually do a split, and it's a bit of a turn on when guys squirm when I do that. I like to gauge a guys reactions and spending habits first. I'm not bending over in front of some stranger and having him stick his face in my ass. Or anything else, because I tend to deter the creeps. I mean, if somebody is gonna demand crotch shots for a buck or two how are they going to treat the dancer during a dance let alone a private room? If only everybody that came into the strip club treated strippers like sex goddesses..

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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    Be this as it may the saying goes: "You tip, they strip". Perhaps take that into consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Ok, to be honest I have never heard of a dancer in a nude club being uncomfortable dancing nude.
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    Yea, I've never heard of a dancer uncomfortable with going nude at a nude club.
    Never? I dunno, I've known plenty of girls over the years who were uncomfortable with it. Most of the clubs in RI, where I club most of the time, are topless only with full nude being either optional or done in a separate room. I've known plenty of dancers who refused to work in the "nude room" or dance fully nude in VIP. Does it effect their money? Hard to say but it's a matter of what they are comfortable with.
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    Full nude doesn't bother me. In fact, I secretly roll in lulz when guys glaze over and drool when they see pussy. But I've mostly danced topless and in my nude experiences, guys sitting around the stage rack tipped well. Except for one club, but that's because the stage was behind the bar and it was more of a "hostess club"and there was no spreading, just taking off panties in the last 30 seconds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    i was a dancer at a nude club that was uncomfortable going nude. i thought i would get over it and my situation made it so working in the nude club was the best option financially. im ok doing nude dances with SELECT customers who are able to act respectful. I am NOT comfortable going nude on stage with a ton of obnoxious men around, especially when spread is common and every guy is trying desperately to peer between your legs and demanding you to show him that pussy.

    right now i live/work in a topless city. thank god. if NOLA ever made nudity and alcohol legal together, i have no idea what hte fuck i would do (actually thats a lie. i never go on stage as it is anyway.)
    That makes sense and I hadn't thought of it that way. Then again when I danced there were options here between bikini, topless, nude optional, and nude with no alcohol. I usually stuck to topless and bikini because when I am nude I feel very vulnerable. I've never done spread and to be honest that I wouldn't like at all. I don't even do this at parties (or if I did it was unintentional).

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    being nude doesn't bother me and I have no problem getting nude when there is a rule that is enforced. I just don't think that guys should get to see me completely naked for free. In Canada it is rare that we get stage tips so it's not even like I'll make min. 5$ on stage for getting nude. I don't get paid by the club, there is no rule that we have to get naked and if that turns people off then so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Never? I dunno, I've known plenty of girls over the years who were uncomfortable with it. Most of the clubs in RI, where I club most of the time, are topless only with full nude being either optional or done in a separate room. I've known plenty of dancers who refused to work in the "nude room" or dance fully nude in VIP. Does it effect their money? Hard to say but it's a matter of what they are comfortable with.
    Like I mentioned I worked at a nude optional club and never went nude, only topless. Would I have danced nude? Perhaps if the money was there but at this club it really wasn't. I can't remember the prices but this club mostly did rooms and if I recall the topless was only a little less than nude plus the club got most of the VIP money unless you sold many rooms (which was very hard unless you were doing extras).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Like I mentioned I worked at a nude optional club and never went nude, only topless. Would I have danced nude? Perhaps if the money was there but at this club it really wasn't.
    When I first started going to clubs in the 80's it was in Mass. where all of the clubs are full nude. If any dancer had an issue with it you would never know since, back then, if you didn't get naked you wouldn't have the job for long. I never even knew the option not to be fully nude existed until I started frequenting the clubs in RI.

    One of the things that still fascinates me about the "optional" clubs in RI is the fact that some dancers are more comfortable with the contact than they are with being completely nude.
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    That is strange they are more open to contact. I am more open to being nude than full contact. To be fair I also did audition at two nude clubs and at both I only went topless during the amateur nights. One of the clubs offered me a job, but decided to stay topless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    When I first started going to clubs in the 80's it was in Mass. where all of the clubs are full nude. If any dancer had an issue with it you would never know since, back then, if you didn't get naked you wouldn't have the job for long. I never even knew the option not to be fully nude existed until I started frequenting the clubs in RI.

    One of the things that still fascinates me about the "optional" clubs in RI is the fact that some dancers are more comfortable with the contact than they are with being completely nude.
    I was personally less comfortable with contact whilst dancing nude than topless, although no personal problem in dancing either way. This is for the very obvious reason which can equate to..if you're playing contact sports, aren't you more comfortable wearing a cup?

    Someone getting a quick grab of boob or butt is going to get scolded. Anyone jamming their fingers up my holes is getting a punch in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    I was personally less comfortable with contact whilst dancing nude than topless, although no personal problem in dancing either way.

    This I totally understand. I always found the dances more intimate with a fav if she was wearing her bottoms and it was totally because she ws more comfortable that way. No problem for me. In RI the nude dances are more moeny than the topless dances and I honestly can't ever remember paying the extra money for full nude. I was never one for staring in wide-eyed wonder at a naked vagina anyway.
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    I worked in a nude/topless optional club and would charge more for nude. So I would make more money for less contact, that worked for me. If a guy wants to pay extra to stare at my vagina like a dolt, that's fine, I don't find the pussy to be particularly sacred, not anymore than the body in general.

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    i have noticed that when topless dances and nude dances are offered, and nude dances cost more, customers will be more inclined to take the topless option.

    also, i don't know why anyone is acting why taking undies off while on stage wearing stilettos for 3 fucking minutes is not done as an issue of convenience. like, consider how much time....ugh. whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Never? I dunno, I've known plenty of girls over the years who were uncomfortable with it. Most of the clubs in RI, where I club most of the time, are topless only with full nude being either optional or done in a separate room. I've known plenty of dancers who refused to work in the "nude room" or dance fully nude in VIP. Does it effect their money? Hard to say but it's a matter of what they are comfortable with.
    Ok, I see where you're coming from. After I posted I kinda did think that things would be different if there was nude and topless options in the same area or club. If there's two stages or a designated nude area a dancer should stay out or off nude stage until she is with a customer who she wants to dance nude for. If I relocated, I would choose a topless club, but if for reasons other than that I disliked the topless clubs (no money, bad mgmt, won't work with sched, run in to too many people there etc etc) and ended up working the nude one I'd probably work it the way I do now tho. I'll be nude and sexy for a big tipper, a regular, a $50+ set with lots of dance sale potential or someone who is waiting to do a dance after the stage set, I enjoy the tease. Privates and vip no problem being nude. A couple years ago I always got naked because I'd always end up with the floor covered in money. But doing that for a few bucks and a room full of people who don't spend a dime or are looking for extras.. not so fun. I do think that the easy access to porn and nudity along with a culture more open about sexuality in general decreased the perceived value of a real live nude woman. Now the appeal of strip clubs seems to be getting that woman to 'do something' for them.

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    This whole thread seems like it was started to start shit. All the clubs I've worked at are nude but if there aren't a lot of people I won't take my bottoms off, unless someone comes up to me and gives me a good tip. Never gotten fined for that, either.

    What I do instead is give 100% to my dance routine, that's usually enough to score LDs from the few patrons that are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GummyBear View Post
    Ok, I see where you're coming from. After I posted I kinda did think that things would be different if there was nude and topless options in the same area or club.
    The Boston/New England area is unique in that there are full nude clubs and topless or nude optional clubs all within the same region and with no liquor restrictions. This means that customers who live in my area can decide how they want to be entertained (full nudity and little or no contact vs. partial nudity with more contact) and dancers can decide where to work within their comfort zone. In the past the money was significantly better in the contact clubs of RI but that has really leveled off with the recession to the point where a dancer who is willing to work hard can make about the same in either type of club. I think the uniqueness of that environment offers the dancers options. Still, the line is not as black and white as it once was. Some Mass clubs have VIP rooms that may as well be in a brothel and OTC is of course a much more common option than ever before though it's always been available to some degree.
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    Default Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked

    Around here, a lot of girls won't get fully naked if there's no money around. I don't blame them either. How else are they to encourage stage tipping?

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