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    I am not a fraud. I don't take people's money and run off with it.

    That being said, I did receive a payment from somebody and fell ill. I didn't contact them because it slipped my mind, and boy do I regret it.

    This is over $20.

    First of all, I ask all my guys to select GIFT when they load my card. But I guess this guy didn't. He called payoneer and reported me for fraud. Now I have to: Contact him, get his CC number (yeah fucking right), and tell Payoneer what it is I do for work.

    Otherwise, I'll be reported and my account shut down, and none of the money that A PREGNANT MOTHER NEEDS will be accessible to me.


    ... I'm really pissed off, girls. I'm pretty upset someone would do this, even if it looked like I was actually a fraud. But I'm not. I didn't get on MFC or SKype for less than a week, and I come back to this? Now I'm having to offer him some make up time in order to resolve it. I'm going to have to have HIS COOPERATION to solve this issue and if he's being such an ass already I don't see that happening. I don't know what to do. I'm so mad and scared. Has this happened to anyone else??

    I know that I should be less sloppy. I think I've learned my lesson on that. But I don't think I deserved this... Especially when I've been with MFC since he had no reason to think I bolted? People don't get sick, I guess? People don't have lives?FUCK.

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    Default Re: Payoneer and FRAUD.

    Damn. I'm so sorry to hear this.

    Every time I think I've found a payment processor something like this happens. It doesn't sound like Payoneer is even safe for us to use for receiving money from customers.


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    Default Re: Payoneer and FRAUD.

    I would have had the guy send tokens through mfc instead of a direct load to the payoneer, but that's useless advice now.



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    OJenni, I have the option for both Payoneer payments and token payments... but not for long! I don't think I'm going to trust another one of these customers ever again.


    That having been said, Nissim has since PM'd me and helped ease my mind. He tells me that this is a simple chargeback and I won't be shut down if the issue is resolved.

    I'm scared of what could prevent the issue from being resolved. And if it's that simple I don't appreciate being scared out of my mind when they tell me they're messing with my money and possibly my business! Oh man. I guess now once the issue IS resolved I'll have a HUMONGO sense of relief and a pretty good reason not to let this happen again! I've learned, Payoneer, now please fix this!!

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    Here is a reply Nissim asked me to post for you:



    Hey guys, Nissim from Payoneer here. I would first like to assure everyone that we do not shut down accounts quickly at all. If at any point we determine that an account should be shut down (which has rarely happened in my years in the company), we always send back the funds to the partner that loaded the card so the cardholder can get their funds back another way.

    Also, we never shut down an account without investigating and talking to the cardholder, so you don’t need to fear that you will be unexpectedly shut down.

    Regarding the chargebacks: Unfortunately, since Payoneer isn’t a merchant services provider, we cannot give dispute resolution in the cases of private loads. While we provide you with the option to have your card privately loaded, and we know that it is largely used by cam girls, I would recommend that, as much as possible, you try to go through a partner when performing. I know that it means you would earn less than you would if you do private shows, but the instances of chargeback in these cases (to my understanding) are much much lower. If you are using a partner/sponsor, you are much more protected than receiving private loads (this is true for any payment company).

    Please let me know if you have any questions I can answer. As I can’t post on this forum, I would really appreciate it if you post on the Other Work section or contact me via PM.

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    Default Re: Payoneer and FRAUD.

    Quote Originally Posted by preggo View Post
    I am not a fraud. I don't take people's money and run off with it.

    That being said, I did receive a payment from somebody and fell ill. I didn't contact them because it slipped my mind, and boy do I regret it.



    ... I'm really pissed off, girls. I'm pretty upset someone would do this, even if it looked like I was actually a fraud.

    I know that I should be less sloppy. I think I've learned my lesson on that. But I don't think I deserved this... Especially when I've been with MFC since he had no reason to think I bolted? People don't get sick, I guess? People don't have lives?FUCK.

    Aww babe , I'm sorry this happened to you . Are you saying that the guy paid for a show moments before you got sick ? At which point you had to leave ? I am not doubting your illness, I can only agree that it was most unfortunate circumstances , however if I paid a girl for a show , and she then vanished, I hate to say it , but I'd probably be feeling the same as the customer.

    There's too many scam girls out there, for a guy to sit and wait for the chance of your story about being ill being true ( in his opinion not mine ) . Nissim points out it's just a Chargeback , and I guess in this rare instance it's a pretty justified charge back , seen as ill or not , he paid for a service he didn't get .

    While you have my deepest sympathies regarding your health , nothing irks me more than a company using their illness as a reason for taking my money and not providing a service, and that stretches to many walks of service, including can you believe ... My road side assistance insurance !!!! ( bob in the office had a cold the day I broke down ! ) As you can imagine , my immediate sentiments were not ones of sympathy!

    While you weren't committing fraud intentionally , taking someones money and leaving with no explanation, is going to boil blood .... I hope you don't lose your account though , and I highly doubt you will ....

    Go easy on the guy that caused you all the trouble - he paid you after all, and really he didn't do anything which many wouldn't . Send him double back for the inconvenience, and to buy back some integrity . I'm sure he will realize it was a genuine mistake, and will trust you to book and positively review you in the future.

    Missy x

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    Default Re: Payoneer and FRAUD.

    Quote Originally Posted by preggo View Post
    Now I'm having to offer him some make up time in order to resolve it. I'm going to have to have HIS COOPERATION to solve this issue and if he's being such an ass already I don't see that happening. I don't know what to do.
    Absorb the chargeback and be done with it. You didnt sign on after taking payment, he didnt get services promised so he chargedback.

    Offering makeup time or relying on him to solve the issue means youre losing even more control of a flimsy situation. Why he's continuing to interact with you is weird to me since I assume he assumes you're a ripoff - normal people would just get their money back and cease contact. He may be using it as an opportunity to extract a lot of services and ultimately not cooperate since he's pissed about being burned. Would you even want to perform for him now? I mean, don't bother.

    If you want to apologize - apologize but cut your losses and absorb the chargeback.





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    Default Re: Payoneer and FRAUD.

    Quote Originally Posted by preggo View Post
    I am not a fraud. I don't take people's money and run off with it.

    That being said, I did receive a payment from somebody and fell ill. I didn't contact them because it slipped my mind, and boy do I regret it.
    what you did was take someone's money and run off with it.....
    it wasn't your intention but can you really blame someone for paying you money and then being an asshole to you when they didn't get what they bought?

    if i ordered a pair of shoes on the internet and i didn't get them. i would be mad. i would first try to contact the site and if i couldn't reach them or something i would call my bank to get my money back. i wouldn't decide oh you know those people must be really busy with other things..or maybe they are sick . you are basically running a business...when you don't give someone what they purchased don't be surprised when you run into issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by h0ttie View Post
    what you did was take someone's money and run off with it.....
    it wasn't your intention but can you really blame someone for paying you money and then being an asshole to you when they didn't get what they bought?

    if i ordered a pair of shoes on the internet and i didn't get them. i would be mad. i would first try to contact the site and if i couldn't reach them or something i would call my bank to get my money back. i wouldn't decide oh you know those people must be really busy with other things..or maybe they are sick . you are basically running a business...when you don't give someone what they purchased don't be surprised when you run into issues.

    Yeah. We never agreed on a time. He asked me when I was available, I said "I'm not sure" and he loaded my card anyway. Not only that, but he disrespected my wishes when he paid for a service instead of sending a gift. He was kind of an asshole to begin with. I maintain that I did nothing wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    Absorb the chargeback and be done with it. You didnt sign on after taking payment, he didnt get services promised so he chargedback.

    Offering makeup time or relying on him to solve the issue means youre losing even more control of a flimsy situation. Why he's continuing to interact with you is weird to me since I assume he assumes you're a ripoff - normal people would just get their money back and cease contact. He may be using it as an opportunity to extract a lot of services and ultimately not cooperate since he's pissed about being burned. Would you even want to perform for him now? I mean, don't bother.

    If you want to apologize - apologize but cut your losses and absorb the chargeback.
    No, I didn't want to perform for him or talk to him at all. But I did not understand that all this meant is that I would be giving back the $20 - that's all I wanted to do - but I got an e-mail saying I had to get all of this information to him (like a picture of both sides of his credit card and his ID) and if I couldn't then I would be closed down and reported for fraud. THAT is why I was freaking out. I couldn't give a shit about $20 from some shit head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    Absorb the chargeback and be done with it. You didnt sign on after taking payment, he didnt get services promised so he chargedback.
    Absorbing the charge back would suggest there is an expense to absorb . There is no absorption of expense, because no loss was actually encountered by the seller... The only person to see a loss was in fact the buyer ! So rather than absorbing any charge back , she's simply refunded what is rightfully his. I absorb chargebacks - When I do the session, and the man gets his money back . It hurts ! But so does being one the other side , paying someone and have them vanish on you ... All those feelings we face when we encounter charge backs from fraudulent customers are the same feelings they encounter when we take their money and vanish - be it due to illness, sudden death or fraud....

    Preggo , May I suggest in future if you do not wish to carry out a session , you arrange for an instant refund, and if you are sick , arrange for someone else to carry out the refund.... I am not suggesting this because I believe you wanted to run away with his 20$ , I am suggesting it because $20 is too little to lose your integrity over.... and a disgruntled customer will spread the word..... You maintain you did nothing wrong , but when we take someones money , we do have certain responsibilities , even if they are acting like a bitch - we can't take their money ,or make them wait a week or two as punishment ... he won't understand that !

    You did do something wrong preggo , ....This..

    ''I did receive a payment from somebody and fell ill. I didn't contact them because it slipped my mind, and boy do I regret it.''

    It was a mistake , and one which hasn't cost you other than the refund, But just remember a ''20$ shit head '' pays our bills, and fuels our reputation. If you don't like someone, or don't feel well enough to provide the goods they paid for... do two things... REFUND, and RUN - and always in THAT order !

    Kisses

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    Default Re: Payoneer and FRAUD.

    Yes, always send the money back right away. If someone sends you money and a second later says "oh my wife walked in the door, can we do this later?" say "sure, I'll send your money back". If nothing else it's really annoying to have him show up a week later and feel like you are doing a show for free, since you aren't making anything off of it that night.

    Also the longer I am in this biz I realize it's just more worth it to go through a processing "partner" like they said. It's just too annoying to deal with each little payment.
    Yes, I'm real.

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