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    http://www.femininebeauty.info/victo...isele-bundchen

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    This website makes me look at the fashion models in a new way.
    While I believe beauty comes in many forms (and everyone is entitled to view beauty through their own lens),
    I know that I am marketed to on a daily basis to believe in one product over another and have been since birth.
    Have we been marketed to believe a strong jawline is better than a soft one on women? That 'plus size' includes women who are toned and fit, and in the healthy size for their height- albeit with a higher body fat percentage than the "ideal" model size. This website can be inflammatory but it indicates that we are conditioned to a way of thinking that is based on a masculinization of feminine beauty.
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    The whole maculine versus feminine to me is a bit strange because many women tend to have mixed features. I would generally say I am more masculine. While I have natural large breasts and full lips, along with a high voice, I also have a small pelvis and hips along with broad shoulders. I'm also muscular and have arms and legs that are very developed, in fact when I workout heavily they get more developed. I am more athletic than most women and would rather play sports than go shopping.

    I will say though that yes I think most high fashion models do tend to have more masculine features.

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    Why does that site feel the need to analyse and then rip Gisele to bits? I get the point being made (and I agree it is sick the way the fashion world and media put certain types on a pedestal when there are many forms of beauty to be appreciated), but why be so critical of people who happen to be born with what is considered by some to be the ideal? She has made a great career out of looking the way she does but who's to say she has never secretly wished she was curvier or 'more feminine'.

    It's just like the whole argument that in order to be a 'real' woman you have to be curvy, usually heard from people annoyed that skinny is seen as hot, and who want to justify their extra body fat. Just because it's unfair that beautiful curves aren't always recognised as such doesn't mean it's OK to denigrate naturally slim people and say they aren't real women.

    Sometimes having that strong jaw or other 'masculine' type feature like a big nose can be nice as it is more unique-looking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickdreams View Post
    Have we been marketed to believe a strong jawline is better than a soft one on women? That 'plus size' includes women who are toned and fit, and in the healthy size for their height- albeit with a higher body fat percentage than the "ideal" model size.
    I agree about the Plus-size thing which is often ridiculous, but it seems to go both ways. Haven't we also constantly been told that, for example, having big boobs is womanly and if we don't we aren't feminine enough? Many flat-chested/small-breasted women are made to feel inadequate because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JadeJewel View Post
    I agree about the Plus-size thing which is often ridiculous, but it seems to go both ways. Haven't we also constantly been told that, for example, having big boobs is womanly and if we don't we aren't feminine enough? Many flat-chested/small-breasted women are made to feel inadequate because of that.
    Why do you think so many women get implants? Because from an early age we are told big breasts is ideal.

    What gets me about the how plus size thing is how as a society we often lump truly curvy women with fat women. By curvy I mean women with large breasts and/or butts who aren't fat like Jennifer Lopez. I hate how curvy went from a word describing women like her to women like Rosie O'Donnell.

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    Most of those glamour models have bad teeth.
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    The look is marketed to two different industries. I wouldn't try to oversimplify things too much, just take it for what it is.
    IMO it doesn't really matter if Gisele is masculine looking or not, she's rolling in $$$ for it and fucking Tom Brady. I would love that pain in my ass.

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    What is masculine about the natural body & face of a woman?

    Sorry high fashion models don't look like most women out there, but that is why they are selected to be fashion models. They still are not teenage boys or masculine. They are just built tall & have a look that works well with walking a runway showing off the fashion designers want people to notice. Besides those photos are selected & flittered out to prove a point therefore are not properly reflective of all runway models just of the biased opinion the writer has on these masculinized women -- that have not been masculinized.

    It's pretty offensive to call women born women masculinized just becuz they have strong jawlines, high cheek bones, board shoulder & slender bone structure. They were born that way as females just like any other women out there.

    Natural feminine beauty includes all that is natural of female beauty so yes runways models are by no means unnatural masculinized beings no matter what unflattering pictures might be selected to belittle them with though they take 1000s of photos where people can see why they were selected to be runway models.

    When I clicked on this thread I thought it was going to be on the topic of gender which feminine & masculine describe. However size of a woman's figure or shape does not. I'm a butch chick & while I had a body that was very boyishly slender flat chested it still was a female body everybit as female as it is now that I put on weight & added curve to my body so now I have a very banging hourglass body that still doesn't change the fact I'm a butch female.

    I don't care what shape a woman has it doesn't change the fact she is a woman nor does it make her masculine or feminine as gender isn't defined by body type.

    Still this site is about strippers & so of course the standards of our industry is not that of runway models or plus size women. It's that of the pole dancer we see on every tshirt or sticker made to represent the ideal shape of women in this industry & while not every stripper fits it & many more women simply can't if a girl has a problem with ideals of this industry becuz she can't complete or fit into it then maybe she shouldn't be a stripper.

    This industry has an ideal where women have tone fit leggy bodies with small waist long hair ass & tits. Now not every girls has to be that ideal in the industry as many in the industry are not, but still if you have personal issues with that ideal then your just in the wrong business be a plus sized or fashion model somewhere else or complain about how you should be valued on your great personality & brains while you do some other job women with average non stripper like figures do.
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    i've seen this website before, and i dislike my face being labelled masculine when i have a menstrual cycle.

    honestly, the constant labeling of women with small breasts as "boyish" fucked me up a lot, and i still find myself considering breast implants because of this, even though i like my boobs and they are small and cute and fun.

    women look lots of different ways. the end.

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    Wow, you were right about inflammatory language... there is so much wrong with that site it hurts my brain just to think about...

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    I appreciate all forms of hotness. Some girls look like boys and they are hot and some boys look like girls and they are hot too haha. Its not just that site. I hear it all the time, girls talking even posts on here... seems people always have to put down the opposite body shape to themselves or one they cannot achieve to promote what they think is perfect. Cant you just appreciate one form of beauty without defacing another. What about people who are actually intersex (resulting in looking like Giselle)? Imagine how they would feel if they saw that.

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    This sort of thing always interests me because I have a few friends who do drag. As men, they are very attractive- and when they dress as women, they are stunningly beautiful as well.

    A lot of the features that make a person attractive would look great on either gender.

    Gisele is fucking hot- I don't care if she allegedly looks like a man. I love her jawline- that's a feature I look for on BOTH genders- that and broad shoulders. I think it's probably the aggressiveness and confidence that the features seem to carry- a soft feminine looking girl won't carry the outfit with the same brazen "look at me world I'm fucking hot" attitude that the 'masculine' looking model will.

    To me it seems that the creator of this site just hates fashion models. Probably had a modeling career that never went anywhere and blamed it on "looking too feminine" .


    Okay wandering around the site pissed me off so much- it's one thing to make a commentary about models all having masculine features- it's quite another to say something like "Fig 9 shows the importance of a feminine (small) rib cage in achieving an hourglass figure, which the woman shown cannot achieve, even with breast implants."


    "Fig 12: A good illustration of what feminine waist and hip proportions are supposed to look like. By now, the importance of skeletal structure -- as it is shaped by sex hormones -- in the appearance of a feminine, hourglass figure should be obvious. Fig 13 should help make this point clearer as it shows a slender, small-breasted woman that nevertheless has a feminine pelvic region and torso, thanks to a pelvis that is wide enough for an attractive woman and a small rib cage."

    Because we totally have so much control over bone structure.
    Sorry, pelvis isn't wide enough to be attractive.

    If you wanna get pissed off read this part of the site:

    http://www.femininebeauty.info/feminine-vs-masculine


    Also, why is the fashion industry like this? The gays, everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corey View Post
    Most of those glamour models have bad teeth.
    .....really? Maybe its drugs? Who stands out?
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    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    Ha, I think it's the 'European' teeth...surprised the moron behind that site didn't spew pages of abusive crap about that too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    The whole maculine versus feminine to me is a bit strange because many women tend to have mixed features. I would generally say I am more masculine. While I have natural large breasts and full lips, along with a high voice, I also have a small pelvis and hips along with broad shoulders. I'm also muscular and have arms and legs that are very developed, in fact when I workout heavily they get more developed. I am more athletic than most women and would rather play sports than go shopping.

    I will say though that yes I think most high fashion models do tend to have more masculine features.
    You look very masculine in this photo

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    Yes I forgot to shave and brush my teeth in that one. I was playing video games all day, lol.

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    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    Gisele has an amazing face. I actually found the two girls they compared her to doughy and boring looking.

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    Yup all I think about is how masculine fashion models are... I mean da




    Nope that is not a picture of a really upper sexy hot woman

    Nan she's got too much man parts as I guess according to the science of idiots some1's sex is defined by measurement of skulls & natural beauty well is just not something women born tall & with defined jawlines get to have unless we view them as men as obviously they have to have pseudo penises we just are not aware of. lol

    I guess I wasn't a women b4 I bought a pair of tits that were man made just becuz I was only aa & then very naturally thin.

    Sorry when did womanhood have anything to do with being soft curvy & round every where ?

    I find this fashion model very feminine at least in the ways that count to me

    There are no mix of boy parts & girl parts on a woman's natural body. Next thing people are going to start defining sex by ears give me a break sexy = sexy, females don't have masculine boy skulls, & haters will always be haters.
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