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    Sometimes I'll be among the top twenty girls, and sometimes I've dropped to the second page. I wonder if failed Gold Shows have any influence on this.

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    Well traffic for me has been plummeting. I used to clear $150 a day easily, now its like pulling teeth to make $60. I was stunned when I looked on my history page the other day and saw I made $100, as it honestly felt like I only made $30 or so (I was online for 7+ hrs and it seemed to take forever to get privates).



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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    Well traffic for me has been plummeting. I used to clear $150 a day easily, now its like pulling teeth to make $60. I was stunned when I looked on my history page the other day and saw I made $100, as it honestly felt like I only made $30 or so (I was online for 7+ hrs and it seemed to take forever to get privates).
    Oh I hear ya! Last week I've worked seven or eight hour shifts / four days a week, and I could only manage to make around $40 each day. Its times like this where I just feel like being lazy and want to give up

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    Good question. I'd like to hear the girl's input on this. I am assuming it has to do with star rating, the encoder, and maybe seniority or how much you pull in for them?? I had an account that I was hardly on and my room was always full, I remade one for dailypay and have had an empty room all week. I've been getting nothing but 5 star ratings (which is odd because it doesn't reflect on my account, it still says 4), and I do the same things I did before but this account wont get busy like the last so that's why I'm assuming seniority??

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    your internet connection also plays a big role (how fast and steady it is).

    yeah, i've dropped to the 2nd-3rd page most days and i'm making awful money there. i'm relieved (although saddened for y'all) to know that i'm not the only one. thank god for splitcamming. i'm keeping it for the convenience of daily pay (and the extra $30-$50 or so on days that i work) but streamate can really blow me.

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    From the SM tips/tutorials page:

    To get the best possible placement, it's important to offer the best show you can. We suggest all the following to help get you're placement as high as it can be.

    Video Quality - Stream using the encoder for the best placement!
    Performance - Communicate with all members that visit you. Entice them to visit you in paid chat. The more time you spend in paid chat, the more likely it is for you to be sorted to the front.
    Audio Streaming - Stream in HD with the encoder and use audio in free chat!
    Schedule - Fill out your schedule. Even if you can't stick to it 100%, still complete it. If you leave it blank members won't know when you're on. Spend time on line, don't give up! The more time on line, the more your list of regulars will grow!
    Get rated! - Give a great show and get a great star rating.

    We ask that Streamate performers maintain a minimum of 3% of their total time in paid chat.
    Staying on longer just to be in free will not increase your placement. The performers on the first pages offer the best experience for members. We want you all to have the chance to be there! Customers are here for you - let them know you appreciate it!

    ^^ The part I bolded is exactly what I have figured out that affects placement a great deal.

    I used to work an hour at a time. Log off, then log back on different times throughout the day. I made the most money with less effort. Lately I started working "long" shifts, my hourly rate has plummeted over the past couple of months. It is best to not linger in free chat long. Your conversion rate drops and you get placed lower = less traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breannasparks View Post
    Good question. I'd like to hear the girl's input on this. I am assuming it has to do with star rating, the encoder, and maybe seniority or how much you pull in for them?? I had an account that I was hardly on and my room was always full, I remade one for dailypay and have had an empty room all week. I've been getting nothing but 5 star ratings (which is odd because it doesn't reflect on my account, it still says 4), and I do the same things I did before but this account wont get busy like the last so that's why I'm assuming seniority??
    I am exactly the same. I had an account for about 2 years and used to be in top 3 rows most of the time... Switched to daily pay, doing exactly the same thing, have gotten close to 60 5 star ratings and couple 4's. Now, with a new account I am in like row 15 or so, so I do think, that seniority play a big part... I may be wrong... But I love daily pay, so will bust my butt to get that 3rd row listing back, I did it one time, I can do it again, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusty Laken View Post
    From the SM tips/tutorials page:

    To get the best possible placement, it's important to offer the best show you can. We suggest all the following to help get you're placement as high as it can be.

    Video Quality - Stream using the encoder for the best placement!
    Performance - Communicate with all members that visit you. Entice them to visit you in paid chat. The more time you spend in paid chat, the more likely it is for you to be sorted to the front.
    Audio Streaming - Stream in HD with the encoder and use audio in free chat!
    Schedule - Fill out your schedule. Even if you can't stick to it 100%, still complete it. If you leave it blank members won't know when you're on. Spend time on line, don't give up! The more time on line, the more your list of regulars will grow!
    Get rated! - Give a great show and get a great star rating.

    We ask that Streamate performers maintain a minimum of 3% of their total time in paid chat.
    Staying on longer just to be in free will not increase your placement. The performers on the first pages offer the best experience for members. We want you all to have the chance to be there! Customers are here for you - let them know you appreciate it!

    ^^ The part I bolded is exactly what I have figured out that affects placement a great deal.

    I used to work an hour at a time. Log off, then log back on different times throughout the day. I made the most money with less effort. Lately I started working "long" shifts, my hourly rate has plummeted over the past couple of months. It is best to not linger in free chat long. Your conversion rate drops and you get placed lower = less traffic.
    Yes, all of this. This is how they determine placement. Of course you can't just have all this and then say "okay, why am I not at the top?" because it's going to be relative to all the other performers that are online at the same time as you.

    You can have all of this but if other girls are spending more time in paid chat, get more 5 star ratings, etc, then those girls are going to be listed first. It doesn't have to do with sonority at all because I've been in the first few rows since I started.
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    I was told the best way to see where you rank is to look for where you're at when you're logged off because that shows where you are in relation to all the models, not just the ones that are logged in.

    It's also hard to judge when you're live on the homepage because every time you hit "refresh" it changes the order, sometimes by a lot.

    I think how often you log in plays a big part in your listing as well. After I logged off one night (it was a pretty lucrative night at that), I checked my placement among offline models and I was on the top of the second page. 12 hours later I had already dropped another page and a half. If I haven't been on for a week, I'm like 6 pages back (among offline models).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    Yes, all of this. This is how they determine placement. Of course you can't just have all this and then say "okay, why am I not at the top?" because it's going to be relative to all the other performers that are online at the same time as you.

    You can have all of this but if other girls are spending more time in paid chat, get more 5 star ratings, etc, then those girls are going to be listed first. It doesn't have to do with sonority at all because I've been in the first few rows since I started.
    Exactly. Once a model has all of the above, she must then work it heavy to move the room in her free chat to get private time as quick as possible. That is where competitiveness plays a role.

    I also notice that I hit the upper half of the home page often on days when I am upbeat, moving around and talking a lot. I mentioned in another thread once that I have a theory on SM possibly having some type of motion/voice algorithm to the placement as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    I was told the best way to see where you rank is to look for where you're at when you're logged off because that shows where you are in relation to all the models, not just the ones that are logged in.

    It's also hard to judge when you're live on the homepage because every time you hit "refresh" it changes the order, sometimes by a lot.

    I think how often you log in plays a big part in your listing as well. After I logged off one night (it was a pretty lucrative night at that), I checked my placement among offline models and I was on the top of the second page. 12 hours later I had already dropped another page and a half. If I haven't been on for a week, I'm like 6 pages back (among offline models).
    How do you view all the offline models?
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    I blocked my state so I can't see where I am now lol. Working my way to the top =) We can do this ladies!

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    I would wonder how failed gold shows add up...I'm also wondering how gold shows in general affect placement - I feel like doing gold shows (taking advantage of all the features of the site) would help you move up a bit.

    From what I can see, as well as the things listed in the actual page that Lusty quoted, it comes down to how much time you spend on the site and how much of that you spend in private. The more time that you spend on, as long as a decent amount of it is in private, the higher you go.

    I wish that there was a clearer formula, but its one of life's little mysteries, I guess!
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    i dunno...i have been wondering for the longest
    i make alot more for a week i don't move
    i make alot less i dont move
    i work alot of hours i dont move
    i work few hours i dont move
    i get alot or ratings...
    a little ratings...
    bad ratings...
    good ratings...
    long pvts...
    short pvts...
    lots of exclusives..
    few exclusives..
    lots of ppl in pvt..
    one at a time...
    it seems like nothing really changes much
    the only thing that does make sense is seniority..because slowly like a little turtle i am moving up.


    to answer sarah...i always check myself in offline models...they usually start somewhere around page 30
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    Quote Originally Posted by h0ttie View Post
    i dunno...i have been wondering for the longest
    i make alot more for a week i don't move
    i make alot less i dont move
    i work alot of hours i dont move
    i work few hours i dont move
    i get alot or ratings...
    a little ratings...
    bad ratings...
    good ratings...
    long pvts...
    short pvts...
    lots of exclusives..
    few exclusives..
    lots of ppl in pvt..
    one at a time...
    it seems like nothing really changes much
    the only thing that does make sense is seniority..because slowly like a little turtle i am moving up.


    to answer sarah...i always check myself in offline models...they usually start somewhere around page 30
    Oh I didn't even know you could see offline models! I thought those were just pages and pages off online girls. I'm still going to say the seniority has nothing to do with it because like I said I've only been on SM since June and I was on the first half of the front page from the start.

    I think a good idea is to experiment with different times of the day. Since it's going to be relative to all the other models online at the same time as you then it makes sense to not be online when all the "top models" are online or you will be pushed down even more.
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    This has been answered repeatedly...

    Basically there are tiers that you get placed into.

    First, if you want Tier 1 you need to use the ENCODER.

    Ratings are pretty much useless, except for determining if Streamate is going to give you special features....

    Second, TOTAL revenue generation determines slot placement in the tiers.

    Third, there is a penalty for working too few hours or taking a couple days off, but this penalty quickly goes away after a couple hours of working. Keep in mind that if you go away long enough the penalty is actually cancelled out.

    Fourth, for the first couple minutes you are online, you're placed lower in your tier but then you move up after a few minutes.

    Fifth, there is slight boost within tier for goldshows.

    Sixth, if your countdown is over 5 minutes or so you get penalized within your tier until the countdown goes under the threshold. (not sure of the exact minute threshold but u can test it out if you want by setting a 20 minute countdown)

    Seventh, new models often get shoved up to first or second row to give them exposure/good experience on SM, but this is the exception not the rule.

    Oh and I forgot to mention that there is a general(slight?) bias towards Canada/North America, but the above factors can overcome said bias.

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    breanna next time your online make a thread asking someone to check your placement. someone will normally be kind enough to let you know. A good way to be high on the list is to have gold shows. i got gold shows about a week or so after i started sm and that bumped me right up.

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    Don't forget internet speed... From my own experience- my upload used to be about 1mbps, when I upgraded to 25mbps upload within the first hour being online I went from page 2 to the middle of the first page... That was about 6 months ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CamL View Post
    This has been answered repeatedly...

    Basically there are tiers that you get placed into.

    First, if you want Tier 1 you need to use the ENCODER.

    Ratings are pretty much useless, except for determining if Streamate is going to give you special features....

    Second, TOTAL revenue generation determines slot placement in the tiers.

    Third, there is a penalty for working too few hours or taking a couple days off, but this penalty quickly goes away after a couple hours of working. Keep in mind that if you go away long enough the penalty is actually cancelled out.

    Fourth, for the first couple minutes you are online, you're placed lower in your tier but then you move up after a few minutes.

    Fifth, there is slight boost within tier for goldshows.

    Sixth, if your countdown is over 5 minutes or so you get penalized within your tier until the countdown goes under the threshold. (not sure of the exact minute threshold but u can test it out if you want by setting a 20 minute countdown)

    Seventh, new models often get shoved up to first or second row to give them exposure/good experience on SM, but this is the exception not the rule.

    Oh and I forgot to mention that there is a general(slight?) bias towards Canada/North America, but the above factors can overcome said bias.
    Interesting, I have never heard of these tiers. Where did you get this information? It makes sense, I'm just wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seductive crystal View Post
    breanna next time your online make a thread asking someone to check your placement. someone will normally be kind enough to let you know. A good way to be high on the list is to have gold shows. i got gold shows about a week or so after i started sm and that bumped me right up.
    Thanks =) I think I will. Can't help to know and try to improve. Also, thanks for the message. I sent SM CS a message to change me under that category which I know will make a huge difference =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladyjalyn View Post
    Don't forget internet speed... From my own experience- my upload used to be about 1mbps, when I upgraded to 25mbps upload within the first hour being online I went from page 2 to the middle of the first page... That was about 6 months ago...
    Yes I do believe this is a huge factor.

    Right now I am on the highest internet package we have up here, which has an upload speed of 2 mbps and 50mbps download.

    The highest I have ever been placed is midway down the first page and #1 in my categories.



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    Ok, this may be a dumb question: what do you mean by "categories" and how can you tell where you rank within them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    Ok, this may be a dumb question: what do you mean by "categories" and how can you tell where you rank within them?
    Categories like "BBW", "Mature", "Couples", etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Carmen~ View Post
    Categories like "BBW", "Mature", "Couples", etc...
    Yup yup...I just got myself into a category and it made a HUGE difference in my traffic. Guess some guess know what they're looking for and prefer your categorized into something so they can find you lol. Men.....lazy as usual lol

    p.s. I had to ask to be added to the porn star section and show proof. Do I also need to ask to be put in other categories like Huge Titts or do they search every account to see if you have huge titts?? lol
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