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    Sad i need help husseling :/ free chat owns me.

    first of all-
    thankyou to anyone for helping me out.


    i was on for 4 hours last night, it was extremely late so i didnt expect much traffic, but my room wasnt empty... i had about 8 paying members, give or take.
    no one bought a show.... kinda just wasted my time :/
    they were all extremely turned on... they just want to sit in my room and masturbate to porn, and watch me, but i dont give any freebies, i dont touch my vag or show tits even if they ask...

    so what am i doing wrong... they all love me, and compliment me, and tell me im gorgeous, tell me theyre glad they met me. but they dont want to pay... i mean i cant blame them when there IS free porn, but i dont want to waste my time either...
    they beg a lot and i never cave... but they never cave either.

    usually 1 person will buy a show, and others will come and go for short periods, but lately free chat is sucking the life out of me...

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    Default Re: i need help husseling :/ free chat owns me.

    Posts like this always make me sad.
    I think it sucks so many girls are relying on the free chat sites to make money...I mean I'm not bitching. That's kinda what it has came down to lately as more and more of these types of sites pop up.I've been camming for almost 10 years.

    And until 1 months ago I REFUSED to set foot into these free chats n such. I'm use to one on one only, not entertaining rooms of men. Which actually means when these kindsa sites were in their prime making lots of money I probably missed it because I'm so damn stubborn. But I'm always alittle behind the times cuz I guess I hate change...but the only way to keep up in this profession is to change,that I've learned.

    I really can't help you cuz frankly they "Own" me also.In the sense of money...altho I never really signed up for them with the intent to make alot. I went in with the attitude that aleast it might keep me entertained in between my real shows,and if I make alittle good and if not least I'd be amused during my work shift.

    I just don't rely on them...I almost always make my daily goals with little or NO help from the free sites,even tho I am logged into TWO the whole time. Sure I pick up a few tips n such and occasionally a skype show from them but if I only did them I'd be so broke.

    Mind you I know alot of girls do well with it. But I don't for me it's mostly a joke to kill time.
    Someone mentioned chaturbate on here the other day. Outa curiosity I signed up. That is like a wonderful way to get your frustrations out. I'm sure I'm quite entertaining. So many foreigners there with bad english. I spend my time in between shows talking crap to them.

    My MFC score is probably the worst one on the site. Simply cuz as I said I'm logged in anytime I'm doing shows or taking calls and such. I don't care about my score and it shows.

    Anyway yea this wasn't overly helpful I know. I guess all I can say is if it's not working out the best for you keep trying other things. The free chats for me are just for xtra tips or to kill time. It's the other things that pay my bills

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    Default Re: i need help husseling :/ free chat owns me.

    oh.. sinstress- what are the sites you use that don't involve free chat? or do you just do skype shows?

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    When I am on freechat sites - I use a 5x5 formula, it isnt for everyone, but it may help: http://forum.stripperweb.com/showpos...83&postcount=3, in fact that whole thread is useful: http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=2194883

    If they are relying on free porn and have the audacity to say so they have no business being in your room. The moment they tell you they're watching free porn, they're wasting your time, kick them.... sometimes announcing why may warn the room, change the room's culture, and clear out the freeloaders.

    It can be a boner kill for some but if freechat is dragging on too long I say I need to get paid (directly or indirectly) in so many words... usually this causes a bunch of guys leave - which to me is the camgirl equivalent of roach repellent. Whoever remains is more ripe for closing a sale.


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    Default Re: i need help husseling :/ free chat owns me.

    Quote Originally Posted by alys View Post
    first of all-
    thankyou to anyone for helping me out.


    i was on for 4 hours last night, it was extremely late so i didnt expect much traffic, but my room wasnt empty... i had about 8 paying members, give or take.
    no one bought a show.... kinda just wasted my time :/
    they were all extremely turned on... they just want to sit in my room and masturbate to porn, and watch me, but i dont give any freebies, i dont touch my vag or show tits even if they ask...

    so what am i doing wrong... they all love me, and compliment me, and tell me im gorgeous, tell me theyre glad they met me. but they dont want to pay... i mean i cant blame them when there IS free porn, but i dont want to waste my time either...
    they beg a lot and i never cave... but they never cave either.

    usually 1 person will buy a show, and others will come and go for short periods, but lately free chat is sucking the life out of me...
    Catch22. You need high placement for the $$$ to start coming in, but you need the $$$ to start coming in before you get high placement. That means either just getting lucky @ first and having that traffic randomly, or working hard for not very much money the first few months& hoping it pays off in the end (regulars, higher placement, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    When I am on freechat sites - I use a 5x5 formula, it isnt for everyone, but it may help: http://forum.stripperweb.com/showpos...83&postcount=3, in fact that whole thread is useful: http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=2194883

    If they are relying on free porn and have the audacity to say so they have no business being in your room. The moment they tell you they're watching free porn, they're wasting your time, kick them.... sometimes announcing why may warn the room, change the room's culture, and clear out the freeloaders.

    It can be a boner kill for some but if freechat is dragging on too long I say I need to get paid (directly or indirectly) in so many words... usually this causes a bunch of guys leave - which to me is the camgirl equivalent of roach repellent. Whoever remains is more ripe for closing a sale.


    Also reading Hustle Hut helps significantly for camming.

    Thanks for these links! I've only been on MFC so far and I really want to branch out but am feeling a little overwhelmed and indecisive. I signed up for streammate but a lot of what I read says you really need content to draw people in which I don't have yet. Also I have no idea what to set my rates as!

    Basically I'm getting tired of only relying on MFC but I need to do a lot more research still. Also sometimes searching the forums is a pain in the but when it's always called SM instead of streammate and SM doesn't turn up search results

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    ^I use google's search engine to search the site (thanks for the tip ukmissy), since it does a better job then the search box here, may help http://www.google.com/advanced_search

    I appreciate that most here tend to rely on two mega-freechat sites (SM & MFC) but OP Sinistress is right, there are other sites, freechat isnt the beginning and the end

    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=159919
    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=137369

    try poking around, links about free chat optional sites will bellyup.





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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    I appreciate that most here tend to rely on two mega-freechat sites (SM & MFC) but OP Sinistress is right, there are other sites, freechat isnt the beginning and the end

    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=159919
    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=137369

    try poking around, links about free chat optional sites will bellyup.
    I really want to look into working a paid chat site, but do you set your rates on all of them, or are some of them standard? How do you get guys into your room or buying a show if they don't have any sort of preview?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinistress View Post
    for me it's mostly a joke to kill time
    Same here. I still have an account on MFC but it's such a joke on there I've probably logged in 3 times in the last 6 months. It just doesn't make sense to sit there wasting time more usefully spent elsewhere while freeloaders get off on you. I thought I'd go on now and then when i have nothing else to do, but actually i've found it's more profitable to spend that extra time making clips/ taking pictures for your private gallery.

    Cam Chick, you really just need to do your research, pick a site, maybe two, sign up, and then spend some time figuring out how it works. When I signed up for my first cam site, i didn't even do my first shift for a month lol. Partly because I was scared shitless, but also partly because I was getting to know the site. I researched EVERYTHING - I read all the blogs of the other girls, the rules, all the features (i clicked on literally every button to see where it led), searched google for reviews, forums and websites for any mention of the site from customers and what they felt about it, looked through the girls prices and how they laid out their profiles, identified the top performers etc. Nothing prepare you for a new site, you just have to jump in and see if you sink or swim.. but doing your research beforehand, for YOURSELF will be a great help. A tip I found useful was never price yourself too low, but don't go above/ the same as the top performers, try somewhere in the middle and gradually increase your price x

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    It's all about your game. I primarily do MFC and I make money. I'm not even on that regularly, but I make about 75-100/hr when I'm on. I'm pg-13 in free chat, so flashes only for tips 50+. Everything else in private only. If it's super slow I will take a group, but I usually decline them. I do toys only in true private. I don't know, but I never have trouble getting paying customers.

    You could try asking some guys to start a group for you? If they are wary, just tell them they can leave you just need help getting it started.

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    Some sites let you upload a preview video or paid videos - that helps

    Have a solid profile. Your profile is what you're using to sell yourself so it needs to be clear, grammatically correct, visually stimulating, descriptive, and accurate. Message and interact with your regulars offline (through the website's interface), use the site's promo tools, enable group chat (well, depends), regularly update your pictures, if they have it don't go overboard with area blocking, follow your schedule, if the site is one where you can pop in and out of free chat - do that too.

    It isnt for everyone though.
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    Default Re: i need help husseling :/ free chat owns me.

    thankyou guys for the tips!

    MissKatie- you mention that you think freechat is a joke too, then what sites do you use? or do you... not cam, you just sell content and its more profitable than camming?

    mfc is the worst for freeloaders, and streamate has no traffic. i cant use either site without going crazy.
    webcams just happens to work for me, i got the guys, i just need the dough.. sometimes if im on at the right time i'll catch a paying customer, and they'll take me pv for long periods of time and its worth it.

    but days where i literally make 0, and i have a room of horny guys, really just makes me feel like its my fault, i have to take this more seriously.

    so weird that chatterbate was mentioned on this thread, or even on this forum because i had some guys link me to that web site (obviously because they were cuming to it and wanted me to cum to it too) .... thats about when i logged off.
    chatterbate must be popular, do girls even make money on there, i havent checked it out

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    I can't stand free chat. I will use it on my site to get my profile more visibility sometimes but that's it. I also use SM sometimes as a backup and do make money on there though not as much as when i first started. Weirdly I don't find the free chat there quite so bad because i just ignore everyone and go check emails etc till i hear the sound for a show. If you're not getting traffic do some promotion, drop your camodels link everywhere you can find. As well as shows you should get a few sign ups which will be nice passive income for you when a guy spends on the site. Also check all your settings, are you streaming in HD, have sound etc? Get some great pics up that show you off and make sure your profile sells you.


    I don't think MFC is AT ALL geared towards privates, every aspect just screams WATCH ME FOR FREE!!! But some girls do great on there (i am in constant awe of aspenrae for e.g, but then she does have a whole promotion team behind her and it's easy to STAY on top than to get there).

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    I was under the impression chaturbate doesn't exactly pay? Its just a contest? I could be wrong...

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    Another thing, by all means up your hustle and follow all the good advice the other ladies are giving you, but remember that even if you're banking one day, even if you're banking regularly, the crappy days will happen regardless and you *simply cannot* let it get to you. Guys will be broke, amused in another room, or the planets will simply align against you. As long as these days are only once in a while, don't over-analyze.
    I make that mistake, feel depressed after one bad session and don't go back to cam as fast as I should, and it messes with my earnings more than necessary. If its bad, switch sites, promote, make content, preen your profile, anything but feeling bad about it!

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    I think it really depends on which site you are on...MFC and SM are both heavily free-chat based, but the "hustle" for each one is totally different. On SM, because you can't show below-the-belt nudity in free chat, and there is much less of a tipping culture, you are basically engaging the guys individually, and then enticing them to private. On MFC, where pretty much anything goes, its much more based on setting up games, and creating a fun atmosphere so guys will tip.

    As for sites without free chat, the ones that spring to mind are NF, AW and LJ. All of these have the option for free chat, but also the option for scheduled chat only. I don't mind doing free chat, & I'm pretty happy with SM, but I am starting to split cam and use some schedule only sites in addition to up my earnings.

    Like GlamourRouge said, it is a bit of a catch 22 - the money IS there, but you need to build up your placement in order to get to the level where traffic is high enough to make free chat worth your while. Its been said a lot...this is a marathon, not a sprint!
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    The chicas above have posted some really useful tips and suggestions, and yes, it is quite possible to make great $$$$ without using 'free chat'.
    I wanted to make a couple comments about the OP though...first off, the guys who colonize your room giving you mad compliments but NOT tipping or taking you private are not customers...yet. Everyone has a different style, but sometimes you gotta make it clear to the guys, in your own way, that while you do enjoy your time on a site, you're there to make $$$. Compliments are not an acceptable substitute for $$$$. If they can't /refuse to grasp that, they need to gtfo. Roast's 5x5 style seems like a subtle but effective mechanism for this. If they're not paying, they don't deserve your attention.
    I struggled with free-chat myself when I worked those kinds of sites (I have NO patience with stupidity and freeloaders), which is why I abandoned that style of camming completely. Some of the sites mentioned above, which offer both a free-chat and non-free chat option may work well for you, in that you can 'practise' free chat techniques when you're feeling up to it, and omit that option when you're not.
    When you select group or private chat only options though, you really do need great pics (webcam works fine for that, if you have a good one) and a well-written profile helps (most guys won't bother to read it, but the ones who do tend to spend, I've found)
    Whatever style of camming you use, however, really think, after each great $$$$ private/shift what YOU did to help cause it...your mood, things you said, how you interacted with the paying guys, etc. Then try to replicate that in future shifts. As I've learned from the chicas here, the more consciously we think about our job, the more $$$ we make over-all
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    This is absolutely true. My rooms are swamped with people complimenting me. I have several groupies who follow me around from site to site professing how much they adore me...they don't mean shit. They do it so you won't boot them.Men are good at sucking up aren't they. Alot of guys also have the attitude that if they entertain you or keep you chatting they are in fact contributing or helping you. You cannot focus on them...yes it kills time as I said but it's not something you can rely on.

    I don't think theres anyone gonna give you a list of sites to go join up to tho. All I can say is what I did. 90% of my income does not come from free chats. I use it to make extra tips WHILE I'm waiting on cam shows.

    Or more to the point...I use it as a place for my own regulars to go and chat with me. I've always had close relationships with my customers. So they enjoy coming in and seeing what I'm up to.

    Regulars are an important thing as I said I've been doing this almost 10 years. Some of my guys have been with me for 9 years. So it's certainly true if you can get them addicted they'll just keep coming back for more.

    But yea I do alot of video sales. I do alot of independant cam shows on my own. There are also sites you can be on but I don't even have to really log in to those to often to meet my goal...granted my goals only 100 bucks a day but often I surpass that,just from people buying custom videos or asking me to do a skype cam show.

    It is up to you to set your own prices on most sites.
    But yea there are alot of sites you can add yourself to that just promote you as a camgirl.

    And I mean I can give you two sites that don't require free chat which I've been using for years. But it seems like alot of em have gone to hell lately. So I'm not sure new girls do well. Not saying they can't just saying overall most sites now do seem slow.

    But I've done Niteflirt for years,which is where I picked up alot of my regulars. There's also Talk Sugar which I've never put alot of effort into so I don't know how it's doing today.

    All in all I don't work much on any site. My shows come from people messaging me on yahoo or skype. And then it's up to you to have a way to charge them. It's also the most beneficial way of people not taking almost half your income.

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    chaturbate does pay. it's very similar to mfc regarding tokens and stuff. the hourly contest is like a bonus, but it's not the only way to earn money on the site.

    Quote Originally Posted by SybilVain View Post
    I was under the impression chaturbate doesn't exactly pay? Its just a contest? I could be wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alys View Post
    thankyou guys for the tips!

    MissKatie- you mention that you think freechat is a joke too, then what sites do you use? or do you... not cam, you just sell content and its more profitable than camming?

    mfc is the worst for freeloaders, and streamate has no traffic. i cant use either site without going crazy.
    webcams just happens to work for me, i got the guys, i just need the dough.. sometimes if im on at the right time i'll catch a paying customer, and they'll take me pv for long periods of time and its worth it.

    but days where i literally make 0, and i have a room of horny guys, really just makes me feel like its my fault, i have to take this more seriously.

    so weird that chatterbate was mentioned on this thread, or even on this forum because i had some guys link me to that web site (obviously because they were cuming to it and wanted me to cum to it too) .... thats about when i logged off.
    chatterbate must be popular, do girls even make money on there, i havent checked it out
    Chaturbate has been discussed on this board a lot so do a search and see what you find.
    I wouldn't recommend spending your time on that site.

    Streamate is where I make the most money personally but you should try different sites to see which works best for you. I can't make much on MFC and I've been camming for years, depends on if you have the personality for it I think. I don't have the patience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    Chaturbate has been discussed on this board a lot so do a search and see what you find.
    I wouldn't recommend spending your time on that site.

    Streamate is where I make the most money personally but you should try different sites to see which works best for you. I can't make much on MFC and I've been camming for years, depends on if you have the personality for it I think. I don't have the patience.
    How important is it to have a lot of content on SM? As someone just starting out in camming on MFC, I don't have many pictures and no video. Should I wait until I have more things to draw them in before I open up a SM account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_chick View Post
    How important is it to have a lot of content on SM? As someone just starting out in camming on MFC, I don't have many pictures and no video. Should I wait until I have more things to draw them in before I open up a SM account?
    Most guys only look at the profile pic I find. Waste of time waiting till you have more pics. You just need one good pic for your profile really and that's it.

    You can't add videos anyway unless they were to approve you for a gold club and I've heard they don't really bring in that much money. I've never had one.


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    Default Re: i need help husseling :/ free chat owns me.

    from ur first post u sound like ur too sweet, giving too much attention, and too entertaining.
    try ignoring everyone or complain that there are no real men on the site..thats what i do when i go too long without a show lol...it works like a charm
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