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    Okay!!! Hi All!
    Up until now I have just done live cam shows on SM and porn. I have been hustling on twitter, sexy jobs, etc and putting myself out there for more opportunities and it is working!
    After months of e-mails from Adorable Models Inc. I finally responded and decided to talk to them about what they were looking for/offering. Turns out, they are an agency that represents models in the adult industry to get more porn jobs and offers escorting services as well. I know, I know... agencies suck. However, I personally feel better having someone else do my bidding for me and all the grunt work that I hate to do (such as researching a company, talking money, negotiating, etc).
    I never really thought about escorting, but I have been doing research and it is something I want to do now. I mean, I have a great client base in webcamming and I am shooting porn for a top company next week. I do not want to be one of the escorts that has a different name everytime she has a new customer, gets calls 24/7 to drive somewhere to meet a client, etc.
    So here is what I have gathered from this company:
    1) It is in-call so they pay for my hotel room and the guy meets me there
    2) The cut is 50/50, which I am fine with especially since they are paying for the room
    3) I have been told my rate is $500 an hour
    So, here is what I want and please tell me if I am dreaming:
    1) I want to be a Girlfriend Experience Escort; take me out, dinner, movies, whatever... if I like you, I fuck you.
    2) I am Holly Jayde. I am not Tina, Christy, Rebecca, Sophia or anyone else. When a client books with me, he is booking with classy, attractive, discreet Holly Jayde. If they like that I do porn or webcam and that is why they want to book, awesome!
    3) I am extremely concerned about the law and getting arrested. Therefore, I would rather have sex with someone for free (within the hourly rate) than charge an extra $500 for an hour of sex and get arrested.

    That being said, is it possible for me to say "I do not have sex for money, but if you enjoyed our date you can always spoil me monetarily."
    I know that sounds really dumb... and of course I will have sex with them while on the clock. However, my hourly rate is for 'companionship' and 'GFE'
    Does that make sense?
    As the agency put it, 'They pay to spend time with you'

    So, any comments or suggestions. I have not signed anything yet and I have an appointment with them next week while I am in LA shooting porn.

    I already know that some ladies will comment saying 'fuck the agency, they are glorified pimps' and I agree. But like I said, I want an agent to do my bidding as long as they are looking out for my best interest and everything I WANT is signed on paper.

    *** I would also like to use this thread for general escorting questions, comments, suggestions. I have noticed escorting discussions are kind of spread across the forum and I think it should be simpler.

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    PS*** I just read some forums that referred to payment as a donation... makes sense to me : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsHollyDDD View Post
    PS*** I just read some forums that referred to payment as a donation... makes sense to me : )

    the term donation implies voluntary and not demanded. amanda brooks book explains why it is not good to use the term donation, or even roses. i think roses instead of fee or rates stupid.

    it does not matter how you try and fancy up the term of getting money your still getting paid for sex
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    So your rate is $500 and they take 50%? Personally I don't think them paying for the room justifies taking that big of a cut. Are they reserving an expensive suite or a room that's at least $400 a night? If you had 3 appointments a day that means you're giving them $750 to pay for the room and answer/screen your calls. That's excessive, IMO. Can you go with another agency or even independent?

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    I could definitely find a different agency, but I would rather not be independent. I am really picky and really specific. The hotels are definitely nice. I know 50/50 sounds too generous but most of the articles/forums/blogs I have read state that 50% goes to escort 40% goes to agency 10% goes to booker... and a lot of incall agencies (to the best of my knowledge) do not cover your room and simply send the guy to your residence. SMH! I don't see how that could be an accurate claim!
    This agency has been trying to get me for 6 months and I just was not ready to escort. I worry about going with a different agency and being 'just another escort'... I know how shady agencies are. I am special, I am respectable and any agency would be lucky to represent me and I WILL NOT work for an agency that does not feel the same way. I also feel that they understand my feelings on the exclusivity of my escorting, I am not just another escort! You see me on cam or while watching porn and want my companionship for the evening...awesome! I do not want to be a 60-minute wham bam thank you ma'am escort... my clients will have the pleasure of spending time with me, having my companionship and any other activities agreed upon consensual.
    I would rather have an agency how respects my wishes and charges 50/50 than a company that sends me out for sleazy 60-minute motel fucks and only takes 25% approx.
    I also know it sounds ridiculous but I have multiple sources of income (camming, porn, content selling, paysite, etc) and I would rather be an exclusive escort with a dedicated clientele than just another escort on a rotation.
    IDK maybe this all sounds completely retarded to other escorts but I want to maintain a high-class exclusive image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minniesoporno View Post
    the term donation implies voluntary and not demanded. amanda brooks book explains why it is not good to use the term donation, or even roses. i think roses instead of fee or rates stupid.

    it does not matter how you try and fancy up the term of getting money your still getting paid for sex
    I agree and I am not trying to fancy it up at all... it is sex for money, period. The only reason why I keep persisting a high-class image is because there are high-class escorts who are very successful out there. When it comes to this business, I do not want to be involved in it unless it is on my terms and I feel that I am being represented in a classy way... as classy as you can get being an escort anyway.

    The agency is going to discuss the legal ins and outs next week while I am in LA. That will hopefully be helpful : )

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    I really like this escorts site and how she represents her services...



    Like I have said before... I WILL NOT begin escorting unless I am represented in a manner consistent with the escorts representation of herself on her site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsHollyDDD View Post
    I could definitely find a different agency, but I would rather not be independent. I am really picky and really specific. The hotels are definitely nice. I know 50/50 sounds too generous but most of the articles/forums/blogs I have read state that 50% goes to escort 40% goes to agency 10% goes to booker... and a lot of incall agencies (to the best of my knowledge) do not cover your room and simply send the guy to your residence. SMH! I don't see how that could be an accurate claim!
    This agency has been trying to get me for 6 months and I just was not ready to escort. I worry about going with a different agency and being 'just another escort'... I know how shady agencies are. I am special, I am respectable and any agency would be lucky to represent me and I WILL NOT work for an agency that does not feel the same way. I also feel that they understand my feelings on the exclusivity of my escorting, I am not just another escort! You see me on cam or while watching porn and want my companionship for the evening...awesome! I do not want to be a 60-minute wham bam thank you ma'am escort... my clients will have the pleasure of spending time with me, having my companionship and any other activities agreed upon consensual.
    I would rather have an agency how respects my wishes and charges 50/50 than a company that sends me out for sleazy 60-minute motel fucks and only takes 25% approx.
    I also know it sounds ridiculous but I have multiple sources of income (camming, porn, content selling, paysite, etc) and I would rather be an exclusive escort with a dedicated clientele than just another escort on a rotation.
    IDK maybe this all sounds completely retarded to other escorts but I want to maintain a high-class exclusive image.
    No it doesn't sound "retarded" at all. Image is everything in this business.

    Just out of curiosity, have you read any client reviews on Adorable Models? Have you seen any of their models advertised on Eros? I promise you I'm not picking on you or your agency of choice, but I'm kind of leery of agencies that recruit on Sexy Jobs. Not agencies that place ads on the site, but ones that actively recruit by combing through the models ads and emailing them one by one. IMO, some of the best agencies don't have time to do that because they're too busy making money. I Googled their name and found some poorly written recruiting ads on BP. Also their model gallery has some very fake looking photos - are those girls even real? I also find it strange that they offer PayPal as a method of payment as PayPal doesn't allow adult transactions at all. It's against their terms of service. I know you're not a newcomer to the business but please be careful dealing with agencies because owners will say just about anything to get you to work for them, so it's up to you to verify everything they tell you.

    BTW, if you're looking for an agency that specifically deals with XXX stars, Body Miracle has been in business for years. I'm sure there are a ton of others out there if you do your research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nikkidarling View Post
    Also their model gallery has some very fake looking photos - are those girls even real? I also find it strange that they offer PayPal as a method of payment as PayPal doesn't allow adult transactions at all. It's against their terms of service.
    Okay, looking at their site, I knew I recognized it somewhere. It's a template. Wow, I've been in this business far too long to even know that.

    Anyway, the models listed on their site are fake. The photos came with the template. See for yourself:

    http://www.adult-templates.com/flash...ype/17745.html

    This explains why they have PayPal on their site. It's on the template as well.

    To me this is all a huge red flag, but hey it's your choice on whether you want to stay with them or not.

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    I just saw the template and I had already discussed the vague-ness of their site and how it does not say anything about escorting services. I was told they are a newer agency that just recently started producing their own content. I am still going to meet with them next week but I am also going to be looking into other companies as well... thanks ladies!

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    Wow I went to that girl tiffany champagnes site and her rates are super high! And her reviews are all really good. Makes me want to escort... She's gotta be making over 500k a year

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    exactly! lol... I like how she represents herself... hell id take her out! lol if i had 5k of course

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    Since you already have a client base, I would dip your toe in the water with a raffle or a paid date with you. make it non-sex. They'll pay more if they get a date with you and think that sex *might* be on the table later, than if you were to just offer them an hourly rate. Strange but true. They know you, they want you-- better than just trying to hire an escort they don't know, you know?

    So, I would dip your toe in the water--
    phrase it as looking for a sugar daddy, or doing a paid date, or hell, you could even do a package where they get to be in one of your videos (taping the sex, they'd be the "stud.") So you'd get content, you'd have the disclosure agreement, and they'd get to live out their fantasy and you'd get paid. You're toeing the line, obviously, but I've seen several porn stars do this. Not sure how it would protect you legally, but it'd offer more protection in my opinion, than working with the agency.

    How much research have you done? I would only go with the agency if you wanted to do a week or two with them, steal some customers, and dip your toe in. But, get this-- a lot of agencies say they screen, and then they don't-- because, guess what? It's not their ass on the line.

    Look at a bunch of escort forums and read up. CA has a LOT of escorts. But if you already have online clientele, you should work that angle. And if you're satisfied with $250 an hour profit, then I see that as pretty doable, though I personally prefer 300+ price range to weed out a lot of lame asses (though you then have to deal with less numbers and quite possibly but not definitely, less money.)

    How much do you have to make per week versus what you reasonably want to make?
    How many clients do you want to see in a given day?
    How many days a week do you want to work?



    Edit: Tiffany Champagne is pretty, but she totally has the Stiffler's Mom thing going on. I would hope she has Stiffler's Mom's voice which I think is the hottest thing about that actress in that movie series.
    Ungoogle yourself:


    Also, now offering phone sexins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsHollyDDD View Post
    Okay!!! Hi All!
    Up until now I have just done live cam shows on SM and porn. I have been hustling on twitter, sexy jobs, etc and putting myself out there for more opportunities and it is working!
    After months of e-mails from Adorable Models Inc. I finally responded and decided to talk to them about what they were looking for/offering. Turns out, they are an agency that represents models in the adult industry to get more porn jobs and offers escorting services as well. I know, I know... agencies suck. However, I personally feel better having someone else do my bidding for me and all the grunt work that I hate to do (such as researching a company, talking money, negotiating, etc).
    I never really thought about escorting, but I have been doing research and it is something I want to do now. I mean, I have a great client base in webcamming and I am shooting porn for a top company next week. I do not want to be one of the escorts that has a different name everytime she has a new customer, gets calls 24/7 to drive somewhere to meet a client, etc.
    So here is what I have gathered from this company:
    1) It is in-call so they pay for my hotel room and the guy meets me there
    2) The cut is 50/50, which I am fine with especially since they are paying for the room
    3) I have been told my rate is $500 an hour
    So, here is what I want and please tell me if I am dreaming:
    1) I want to be a Girlfriend Experience Escort; take me out, dinner, movies, whatever... if I like you, I fuck you.
    2) I am Holly Jayde. I am not Tina, Christy, Rebecca, Sophia or anyone else. When a client books with me, he is booking with classy, attractive, discreet Holly Jayde. If they like that I do porn or webcam and that is why they want to book, awesome!
    3) I am extremely concerned about the law and getting arrested. Therefore, I would rather have sex with someone for free (within the hourly rate) than charge an extra $500 for an hour of sex and get arrested.

    That being said, is it possible for me to say "I do not have sex for money, but if you enjoyed our date you can always spoil me monetarily."
    I know that sounds really dumb... and of course I will have sex with them while on the clock. However, my hourly rate is for 'companionship' and 'GFE'
    Does that make sense?
    As the agency put it, 'They pay to spend time with you'

    So, any comments or suggestions. I have not signed anything yet and I have an appointment with them next week while I am in LA shooting porn.

    I already know that some ladies will comment saying 'fuck the agency, they are glorified pimps' and I agree. But like I said, I want an agent to do my bidding as long as they are looking out for my best interest and everything I WANT is signed on paper.

    *** I would also like to use this thread for general escorting questions, comments, suggestions. I have noticed escorting discussions are kind of spread across the forum and I think it should be simpler.
    Escorting is escorting. You can't be a "little bit pregnant". It is sex for money. Trying to protect yourself with clever wording and euphemisms is no substitute for proper screening. And the screening done by many agencies is a joke. It's NOT worthy of the term.

    Few agencies will look out for you or do your bidding. Any agency owner with a brain is never going to reduce his or her agreement with you to writing. Why would YOU want that ? Stuff like that comes in awful handy if you do get arrested.

    50-50 is a high cut for the agency unless they are paying for the hotel. Is it a nice place ? In a good area ? What else are they doing for you ? Do they screen ? How ? 60-40 is standard and a few agencies take less BUT do NOT pay for your hotel.

    $500 an hour is a LOT for a BBW. Even one with cam and porn credits. Not unheard of, but unusual especially for a newbie. I smell a rat so be careful.

    GFE means "Girlfriend Experience" meaning you kiss with tongue and give and receive oral sex without a condom. Only actual intercourse is protected. Sorry to be graphic but that is the commonly understood meaning of the term in the escort biz.

    Many guys will happily wine and dine you. The smart ones expect that to be "OFF THE CLOCK" i.e. in addition to the time spent having sex. It is YOUR choice whether to be "off the clock" with them. NOT so much as to who you suck and fuck. Not unless there is a clear health and/ or safety issue. Again, I do not mean to be crude and I'm sorry to splash cold water on whatever romantic notions and ideas you may have about escorting. The most important thing to remember is : It is a BUSINESS. You and the agency are both interested in MAKING MONEY. That means you are selling sex. Period !

    Likewise, do not get caught up in what you think other escorts, even big names like Tiffany Champagne are making. She has been around a long time and established a lot of credibility with a lot of great reviews. That being said, a lot of HDH's ( that's "High Dollar Hotties " ) have been cutting their rates lately. Especially at the higher end of the business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    $500 an hour is a LOT for a BBW.
    See, you about to make me out myself.

    $500 is a LOT for a woman who KNOWS she's worth it.

    After 2 dates my household bills are paid for the whole month unlike these cute young spinners who charge $160 an hour and have to work all week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkerBee View Post
    See, you about to make me out myself.

    $500 is a LOT for a woman who KNOWS she's worth it.

    After 2 dates my household bills are paid for the whole month unlike these cute young spinners who charge $160 an hour and have to work all week.
    Good for you. Glad you are doing well BUT it usually takes a while for an escort to KNOW she is worth it. Thinking it; believing it and hoping for it are different from KNOWING that you have a proven rate in the escort marketplace. More than one gal has been left alone in a hotel room staring at a dead phone by overpricing herself in the WRONG market.

    I'm sorry but BBW's appeal to a more limited taste making for a niche market. At least compared to less zaftig escorts. Doesn't mean they don't get plenty of business. Doesn't mean they can't command good rates but it ain't easy.

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    I think Eric is just trying to be blunt with her and describe the general consensus surrounding escorts, rates, and BBWs.

    There is money out there for fetishes and BBWs qualify, but it is more difficult to locate that market at times which can create an unstable income.

    In regard to escorting, there are escorts who do purely social escorting. Mentioning a hotel or anything non-public will give the impression that you are offering more than social dating. If you do not want to have sex for money then you should consider camming, or find a very good sugar daddy who can get you by for a bit and doesn't want sex. A lot of sugar daddies still expect some sex but your income potential is unlimited. Sometimes being paid in mostly gifts can suck if you have other bills that need attention. If you are doing purely social escorting then you need to advertise directly to business men who attend luncheons, charity events, company parties, etc. These men need a woman on their arm to look good, but if they don't have someone to bring (or their girlfriend is atrocious) then social escorts are perfect. You would need to outline a specific event you were escorting them to, your name and role (i.e. their girlfriend, fiancee, wife), and how long you would be staying. Tell them to meet you a few miles away, give you the donation in an unmarked envelope inside of a gift bag, and then proceed to the location. If you decide that you will stay at the event 2 hours and your fee is $600 then they will probably understand sex is not happening/guaranteed/being offered. They may ask for sex afterward, but it is unlikely they will be angry if you do not pony up. You probably won't make as much as an escort who offers sex, but this is the reality.

    As far as escorting with sex goes, you should understand that if you lead customers to believe that they will have sex with you (i.e. mentioning a hotel or a 4 hour dinner and dessert date) and don't follow through they will kill your reviews which will make future clients wary. The way you word your fee for the sexual intercourse is very irrelevant, because law enforcement can still arrest you. Sometimes charges don't stick, but as Eric pointed out, adequate screening is key. There are several threads recommending methods for screening, and www.p411.com is a big one that is mentioned. You can ask for references from other area escorts to verify that they are who they say they are.

    The idea behind screening is that it protects you from LE and helps ensure your safety. Screening is never fool proof, even if done perfectly, so always trust your gut.

    Personally, I would be wary of doing an outcalls at a hotel or house. I feel like more escorts get caught with outcalls (which are in essence huge sting operations) versus doing incalls at a place of their choosing. Reason being is because it's harder and more time consuming for the police to jump around to several incall locations (hotels, apartments, houses) and time everything properly than it is for them to stay put in a secure location.

    I would only be comfortable doing incalls unless the customer is a repeat client AND you trust them.

    I hope this helps.
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    Good post Laurisa but I feel compelled to post my quarterly "reality check " about "social escorting" i.e. escorting without sex. I have posted about it numerous times and don't want to repeat everything. Suffice to say that it is rare and most escorts simply do NOT qualify for that type of work. You're much better off trying to rope a Sugar Daddy.

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