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    So - I am so frustrated today!!!

    As most of you know, I am currently finishing up my apprenticeship to tattoo, and working as a piercer as well as working online. As you may not know, I am currently paying for all my equipment, saving for my taxes at the end of the year AND paying back the last of some debt that was incurred by a bastard ex-boyfriend in my name (only $4000 to go...woohoo).

    My original plan was to finish the apprenticeship and move straight to another shop in May/June to tattoo, by which point I would have finished paying off the debt, saved some money, and basically be home free.

    I don't want to quit my day job until I am at a point where I can look for a tattooing job, because I don't want to be living solely off camming money - I'm doing fine, but still not well enough to feel comfortable relying on it.

    So here's the catch 22. I can't quit till I feel like I am certain I will be able to pay my bills from camming until I get a tattoo job. (And I need to be able to show my partner that I can so I don't put the money stress on him) BUT I am so sick and tired of my day job, and it makes me so miserable at this point, that by the time I get home from work, I SUCK on cam!!! So how the hell can I make decent money, decent enough to quit, when the job is just DRAINING my will to live, let alone go and work it?!?!?

    Tonight I came home, had dinner, and tried my hardest to relax and build up some positive energy. I went online even though I wasn't feeling it, and tried really hard to do my usual thing. But my heart wasn't in it, and I think everyone knew that. I didn't make a cent.

    I don't know what to do, and I just feel frustrated and caught in a trap and overwhelmed. At worst, I will only have to stick this out for another 5 months, but five months seems like a lifetime for doing something I can't stand anymore.

    So sorry for the GIANT long rant, ladies...I just didn't know where else to vent!!! I know that compared to those of you who are going through medical procedures, or those people who can't find jobs at all, this seems like a pretty piddly problem! I just needed to get it off my chest...and any advice will be more than welcome!!
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    maybe it's the sites you are working. I get burnt out quick if there isn't a nice amount of paying traffic.


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    Do you have to work your vanilla job on the weekends? Do you cam everyday?

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    I usually cam tues/wed from about 2-8pm, and then thurs-sat 9-12pm. I work the day job Thurs-Sat 10:30am till 7:30 pm. Monday I am apprenticing from 8am till 8pm (at least) and then I spend another hour to three hours a day working on tattoo stuff. I work out about 5 hours a week (not including travel time to the gym..almost an hour round trip) and Sunday are the only day I have free with my boyfriend off, so I don't do anything else that day.

    I'm pretty much doing stuff from the time I get up till the time I go to bed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    maybe it's the sites you are working. I get burnt out quick if there isn't a nice amount of paying traffic.
    Its actually not the sites that I am burnt out on - I am super burnt out on my day job, and its killing my cam persona when I am trying to work both in one day. When I am working just the cam sites, I tend to be great - really bouncy and upbeat...yesterday I had an hour and a half on straight exclusives - maybe two minutes in total in free. Then after working all day......nothing.

    I'm starting to experiment with splitcamming and c4s etc to try to up my earnings, and maybe that will help get my stuff paid off faster so I can QUIT the damn day job!
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    You are doing an awful lot, what with your day job, your apprentiship and your camming. You are camming quite a lot. Everything is going to suffer if you are constantly on the go.

    At the moment at the least, are you not just trying to prove to yourself and to your boyfriend that you can earn enough doing cams? If so, I would suggest only doing a couple of shifts a week, at different times (ie, maybe one week day evening, one weekend evening, a day shift) each time for a couple of hours. Then you will get a good idea of how things will average out.

    Alternatively, get a holiday from your day job and throw yourself into camming for that week to get a better idea.

    Having said all that, there are many advantages to being self employed, but one of the downsides is that it's so variable, you can have great days and shit days. Live for the great days.

    Try and give yourself one day from everything, where you don't even need to think about work, or camming, or tattooing. Just slop out and watch TV, spend time with your boyfriend. Don't burn out.

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    I feel for you!

    Two months ago all of the crap in my life reached to a point where I cammed one month and it was the highest I've ever made in my time of camming and I was super excited, then I woke up the next day feeling like this.

    And suddenly I didn't want to cam. I was sick of it. I've never really 100% loved camming. I've always loved this industry, but free chat makes me want to take a .45 CAL aspirin.

    So in the midst of my depression I sat around my house eating Ben & Jerry's and watching Oprah re-runs in my bath robe for a month. And then I remembered I had bills to pay.

    Camming was my "day job" but I was miserable and useless when I did it. DO NOT WANT.

    So I either had to suck it up at a minimum wage job (HA!), go back to camming or figure out what else I could do.

    So I switched to content sales and I've been making it work for me.

    And I love it.

    Alot.

    I'm a lot happier and I feel like I'm not putting in a TON of effort (camming is VERY draining to me) and I'm getting about an equal amount of turn out per day, and decent amount of $ when I don't feel like updating. It's 'auto-pilot' in a sense where I can still make sales even if I'm like, "Fuck the internet today, I'm going bowling!"

    When I was camming I was always stressed because recently it had been "so slow, so I have to take this break but I have to slave away later because I didn't make my goal, but I also have to wash the dog, go grocery shopping, clean the house, cook dinner, spend time with the guy, find time to fuck him then work AND sleep." Yeah, fuck that. It just all drained me. I have poor time management too, so I was stressed out all day, everyday.

    Now I spend more time doing promo and editing and uploading pictures/videos than I ever do actually making them. And I can do all of that while I watch Oprah, or spend time with the boyf, or talk on the phone with friends or actually enjoy my life. The house is clean. I cook again. And most of all I'm happy with this job again.

    Did I mention I love content sales? LOL.

    There's been a few times this week where I've sat down and said, "Oh, wow - camming sounds like fun. Maybe I should change and hop on!........Hahaha, fuck no. " And then I go make some clips. I'm still not camming but at least I've thought about it, lol.

    But to be serious, we're doing this because we chose to do it and because we WANT TO and LOVE to do what we do, so if you aren't loving it anymore, switch it up. Stay in the biz but mix things up - try fetish if you're vanilla. Try affiliate marketing. Try content sales instead of camming. Try phone. Try it all except camming.

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    EDIT: Oh wait, I think I got way off track about your OP. I'm still waking up, sorry. lol. But I still like my post. So it's staying. Lol.

    But try to find ways to de-stress yourself. If you hate the day job and it is making you a useless person because you're miserable. Quit. It will push you to make it work through this type of work. Sign up for more sites. Take all of your eggs and spread them out into different baskets.
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    is it because you aren't confident enough that you will make enough money in camming if you quit ur day job? i can see why that would effect ur camming big time and w/all the other stuff piled on, it doesn't make it any better. you should take a vacay from your day job and just do straight up camming that whole week. that will give you a better idea of what it means to be self employed. i understand the shakiness of the situation if you were to quit ur day job and just rely on camming. but the thing is, you will have so much more energy and therefore be able to make a good living from camming. calculate all of what you need to pay ur bills each month, set some goals and if you are motivated enough, you will reach them. i know for a fact that it is the day job that is burning you out bigtime. believe me, i know you could quadruple ur income if u were to quit, but i know u like the certainty of the pay. i understand that but u just gotta have trust, confidence in urself and enjoy what you do (camming) it is as simple as that, you will make it. you just gotta want it bad enough to just go and say fuck it, i am gonna make this work and it will. it's all about will power.

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    Free chat literally sucks the life right out of me. So I decided to put free chat on MY terms and generally avoid sites where it is mandatory like SM and MFC.

    I now focus my energies on selling content and being available for privates and paid chats only on niteflirt and AW.

    I recall reading that you have had a hard time getting started on NF. I told you this is because your listings don't show up on the site until you have at least 1 feedback response. If you want I am open to calling your listing, giving you 1 feedback as well as emailing my customer list to tell them all about you. That should help you get started. Hit me up a PM and I will give you my skype and tell you how to get this rolling. Lower your rate for the 2 minutes that I call and leave you feedback then go right back up to whatever you charge (yes you can do this on NF as many times a day as you wish).

    I also get affiliate sign ups for SM and niteflirt. In fact the ONLY reason why I log back into streamate a few times a week is to see if I can actually meet these new customers I referred. Because if they go private with me I get 75%. Otherwise if they go private with someone else I only get 20% of whatever that other girl charges.



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    I'm sorry you're going through that. I know how hard it can be and how it eventually makes you feel desperate and hopeless. Your schedule sounds a lot like what I went through when I was going to school and working two jobs and do an apprenticeship. At the same time, my husband was working a job he hated because we had to have the health insurance.

    I finally quit my crappy day job one day 2 hrs before my shift was supposed to start. I just couldn't handle it anymore. They had already cut my hours and doubled my work load, and I had to do my schoolwork on my breaks. I was sleeping 3 hrs/night and was just plain miserable. And it was a minimum wage job & just made me feel worthless.

    I went without a job for a little while before I started camming. And eventually my hubby quit his job too. He was so miserable at that job for so long.

    And you know what? Camming isn't the perfect answer for me, and sometimes I get so fed up with it that I have to take some time off, and I get pissed at the customers, but my hubby and I have a better relationship now than we ever have, we both work for ourselves, we make enough money to pay our bills (for the first time in 10 years) and we're generally much happier.

    Is there stress? Yes. Do we have weeks where it's a struggle to make enough money to pay the bills? Yeah, sometimes. Do I still have days where I'm not so happy? Yes. But I think that's part of my outlook and can be changed. But things are better, and I can see that there might be a light at the end of the tunnel where I can have a job that I really love doing and a career that is fulfilling if I can just keep doing this for a while longer and saving money. And after working minimum wage jobs for years, I deserve this (staying at home, working my own schedule, being my own boss for the most part).

    I know that it's different for everyone. No one can tell you what is right for you. But I honestly believe this is what it all comes down to:

    Faith and Determination. If you have those, you can do ANYTHING.

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    Maybe don't cam on the days that you have to work. Even though I love my day job, it's hard for me to come home and cam after a long day there. It's just tiring!
    Instead, I work on content (pictures, videos) and do some advertising that evening. It's just the annoying customers that really burn me out. If I'm not having to deal with the customers, I still feel fine to pose, do videos, whatever.
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    Can you cut back your hours on the day job? If you cammed the hours that you're now doing the day job would that be feasible? Until I got married I had to keep my day job to keep my insurance but I disliked the job so much that I cut back more and more. At one point I was just working two days a week, 9-3. LOL. But if you can cam the hours that you're working you might make more than you would at the day job and then you'd have free time in the evenings.


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    for me i find themed days are best. currently i'm camming more than this because i'm behind on bills, but eventually i'm planning to cam 4-5 days, spend 1-2 days doing non-adult work, making clips, and doing promo, and taking 1-2 days off, depending on how things go. i have a really difficult time camming on days when i have a lot of other shit to do. could you just cam on tues & wed? or cam those days and cut back another day at your day job and spend that day camming as well?

    when i was in school full time i also worked full time or more than and had a similarly insanely full schedule. it ran me into the ground physically and emotionally after awhile. i wasn't in great health to begin with, to be fair, but - i'm just trying to point out that going constantly from the time you wake up til the time you go to bed is really not sustainable for your body and mind. is there anywhere you can cut back to make space? it's possible that if you stopped camming those few hours thurs-sat you'd at least have more energy on days you mainly spend camming and possibly make more $$ those days.

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    All good advice ladies - and thanks for the support!!

    I did try cutting out a few days from the day job this month...and wouldn't you know? The two days I took off to focus on camming and see what I could do, I got INSANELY sick. As in, had to take an extra day because I was still puking. Miserable.

    At the moment I can't take any more days off till January (I'm covering other people over the holiday season), and I have already said that I will be leaving this job in April/May. I theoretically could quit sooner, but its a small shop, and they are like family to me in a lot of ways (well, some of them!) and I wouldn't do anything to screw them over.

    I absolutely KNOW that I can make all the money I need camming, but I need to get the actual earnings in to show my partner - we have promised each other that we will never leave a job unless we can show that we have enough money to still be comfortable.

    So its not really to do with confidence that I can make the money....its just a big annoyance - running out the clock on a job that I am done with, and don't care about anymore.

    New plan - because I cannot drop hours till January, I will spend the next two months doing all I can to up my earnings - splitcamming, working on content and c4s...basically putting in place all the infrastructure that I can so that come January, I can drop one day a week. Then I should be able to make enough money Tue-Thurs that I don't have to double shift on the weekends. What do you think?

    And Innes - that is a fantastic idea! I will definitely get set up to sell content, and spend my evenings doing that instead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    Free chat literally sucks the life right out of me. So I decided to put free chat on MY terms and generally avoid sites where it is mandatory like SM and MFC.

    I now focus my energies on selling content and being available for privates and paid chats only on niteflirt and AW.

    I recall reading that you have had a hard time getting started on NF. I told you this is because your listings don't show up on the site until you have at least 1 feedback response. If you want I am open to calling your listing, giving you 1 feedback as well as emailing my customer list to tell them all about you. That should help you get started. Hit me up a PM and I will give you my skype and tell you how to get this rolling. Lower your rate for the 2 minutes that I call and leave you feedback then go right back up to whatever you charge (yes you can do this on NF as many times a day as you wish).

    I also get affiliate sign ups for SM and niteflirt. In fact the ONLY reason why I log back into streamate a few times a week is to see if I can actually meet these new customers I referred. Because if they go private with me I get 75%. Otherwise if they go private with someone else I only get 20% of whatever that other girl charges.
    Thanks so much for the offer (and for letting me know about the listing stuff - I had no idea!!) My boyfriend is going to call for me and leave a rating on Sunday (when i shall also be setting up MGF and a C4S store...yay content) so that should sort out the listing issue...I would absolutely love to be mentioned to your customer list though - thank you so much!! I shall PM you sunday when the listing is up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    Make it fun again!
    Not gonna quote the whole thing to save space, but it's tempting.

    Just wanted to say ~ your post was fucking EPIC!

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    Why don't you try camming on NiteFlirt and picking up phone calls on there? That way you don't have to sit around in free chat the whole time and waste time, only to make $0.


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    So I switched to content sales and I've been making it work for me.

    And I love it.


    Sorry but what do you mean by content sales? I saw this mentioned on another post, I'm sure everyone else knows what this is but just bear with me; this whole thing is new to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing Days View Post
    Why don't you try camming on NiteFlirt and picking up phone calls on there? That way you don't have to sit around in free chat the whole time and waste time, only to make $0.
    I did sign up, and as has been mentioned - got nothing because you need a rating to appear on listings. That is being fixed this weekend.

    I'm adding NF, MGF, and splitcamming to the repetoire, but I really feel I need to make it clear - camming is NOT what I'm finding difficult! On days that I only cam, I am great - high energy, feeling awesome, making money.

    My rant is more that my day job is sucking the soul out of me, but I can't leave it till end Feb/beginning March at the earliest (at least, not without being a horrible person and screwing myself over in that industry). The more money I make, the faster I can leave, but staying is cutting into my money from making me miserable!

    Honestly, I'm really hoping that diversifying into content sales helps - when I can't bear talking to another human being, I can sit at home alone and create. And then when I want to talk to people, I have stuff to sell them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LusciousKatya View Post
    So I switched to content sales and I've been making it work for me.

    And I love it.


    Sorry but what do you mean by content sales? I saw this mentioned on another post, I'm sure everyone else knows what this is but just bear with me; this whole thing is new to me.

    Content sales = selling pre-recorded shows/photo sets etc rather than doing live shows. So -you create videos, photos, etc, and then upload them to various sites - MGF, C4S and the like - and sell them for x amount per clip.

    Basically eliminates chat, and has more in common with old school "porn". Can be used entirely separately from live camming, or alongside it.
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    I understand that you're feeling conflicted about your day job, but I also understand that it's precisely your day job that's affecting your camming performance. To 'prove' that you can make enough money on your own, you need to MAKE that money first and work with what you've got. Unfortunately since leaving your day job isn't an option at the moment, you've got to address the fall-out from the way it makes you feel, as I'm sure you know - the crappier you feel, the worse your camming is on the days you work. So you could choose to just not work after your day job or at least give yourself a break in between (meaning you'll need to switch around your schedule) or you could switch the medium in which you cam so you don't have to waste time in free show and come away with nothing.

    Your problem is a good one to have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    Content sales = selling pre-recorded shows/photo sets etc rather than doing live shows. So -you create videos, photos, etc, and then upload them to various sites - MGF, C4S and the like - and sell them for x amount per clip.

    Basically eliminates chat, and has more in common with old school "porn". Can be used entirely separately from live camming, or alongside it.


    Oohh, now I get it. Awesome! I thought one needed a photographer to do that? I was thinking of updating my book but was waiting to make some more money to get a professional shoot going. Do you guys use your own camera then? For video clips do you use your own web cam?

    Sorry for all the questions.

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    Oohh, now I get it. Awesome! I thought one needed a photographer to do that? I was thinking of updating my book but was waiting to make some more money to get a professional shoot going. Do you guys use your own camera then? For video clips do you use your own web cam?

    Sorry for all the questions.
    you don't need all that pro stuff, just use your webcam. guys like the amateur feel anyways, i don't even edit the vids that i sell. i will only edit for promo. and there are all kinds of free programs that you can use for that.

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    ManyRoses, I know you personally (remember those nights you talked in your sleep and freaked me the hell out!) and I am more than happy to rate you on NF, my account on there has gone stagnant because they stopped international calling and a Skype number wasnt working for me on a mobile phone, but I still sell content on there also and am now going to look into doing cam through there also.

    Oh and Im also willing to design and link your C4S banner on my C4S page

    What about doing freelance work instead of working at your day job?
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    ManyRoses, I know you personally (remember those nights you talked in your sleep and freaked me the hell out!) and I am more than happy to rate you on NF, my account on there has gone stagnant because they stopped international calling and a Skype number wasnt working for me on a mobile phone, but I still sell content on there also and am now going to look into doing cam through there also.

    Oh and Im also willing to design and link your C4S banner on my C4S page

    What about doing freelance work instead of working at your day job?
    Bahahahaha! Sorry for freaking you out...good times though, good times...

    Thanks SO much for the offer lady - I'll e-mail you when we get the listing up and running so you can rate away (and I am happy to return the favor if you wish, of course!)...and it would be amazing if you could help me out with a C4S banner! I'll be creating a bunch of content this week, so I can get the store up and running asap.
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