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    I am so sick of these motherfuckers hanging around women I know, getting them drunk, offering them powerful drugs, fucking them, and then trying to play the stud.

    Of course it happens in stripclubs all the time, especially down here. But they need to get the fuck away from my friends, or I'm getting a hammer and tongs ready for their asses.

    Some cocksucker tried this on a friend of mine the other night in a club down here.

    Fortunately she was onto his ass from the getgo. Let him buy her a couple drinks, but turned down the drugs, and told him to take a walk when he started laying his insipid, trite, plastic stud routine on her.

    So I'd like to ask the women of this forum. How easy is it for you to spot guys like this?
    And do you have any interesting ways of shooting them down in flames? Let's hear it...
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    Ugh, that hits a pain point for me.

    Usually its super easy to spot them....but in my case, since I was quite the drug addict, my desire to "party" overtook my instinct and I had a few occasions where I physically had to fight off the EXACT type of guy which you speak of. And one occasion where I believe I might have been raped but I have absolutely ZERO memory of the incident....just evidence in the form of a condom under my bed the next day...so I have no idea if it happened or if he tried....

    Those predators are highly prevalent in the clubs. And for the perfect princess strippers here I'm sure it wouldn't matter, because they aren't that hard to spot. But for some of us with certain weaknesses, it can be a sore subject, just saying, be prepared....

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    I am really amazed at how often the dancers will have guys spike their drinks, too. Like, what's the logic behind this??

    I'm not talking about the open offer of drugs, I'm talking about slipping the rufie in the screwdriver.

    Do they really expect we are going to get on the mike and announce 'Hey guys, Binky's had a bit too much to drink and is passed out totally helpless right now, unable to resist if you want to out your dick in any orifice you choose. And we're all way too busy to look after her. Can one of you guys give her a ride home??"

    But of course that's just the next small step up from offering a woman who is clearly way too intoxicated even more and different mind-altering substances.
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    I've been drugged before. The first time was about a month before I turned 21, and I was at a house party with a lot of friends who I thought I was safe around--and, indeed, in the past, those were THE safest people to be around if you were incapacitated. Seriously, back in the day, I could pass out butt naked in front of all of these people, and they would pick me up, carry me to a bedroom, tuck me into bed, then guard the door so nobody could try anything. So getting drugged at a party with these people was a very disturbing experience, and I actually stopped drinking until the next summer, six months after I turned 21. I didn't have a drop of alcohol in between.
    I also had a customer try to drug me at the club once. Whenever I drank at work, I would only have shots, for the simple reason that you down them immediately and there's no real opportunity for a customer to mess with it. But this time, the guy bought me a drink, and I politely took like two sips before dumping it in the garbage. Even so, those two sips were enough to make me really fuzzy. That was right before closing time, and I got dressed, drove the two miles to my house, and found myself staggering up my stairs, tripping on random stuff in my room like I was drunk. But I remembered the feeling and realized it was GHB. I think another girl may have been drugged that night too. That customer is quite lucky I haven't seen him since, because it would be bad.

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    i've been drugged multiple times and never understood what the man thought would happen.

    i suppose it could be to identify vulnerabilities.

    one customer put something in my drink that made me so unhibited i, apparently, gave him my first/last name, number, address...i think the idea is to find out what worked on me and to use it again in less controlled circumstances (ie. meet outside of the club and commit the rape).

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    I am really amazed at how often the dancers will have guys spike their drinks, too. Like, what's the logic behind this??

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    There is a distinction between guys who spike the drinks without the woman's knowledge in order to rape her, and these guys who play the stud because the woman was theoretically 'willing' to fuck them, after they gave her so many drinks and drugs she might not even remember it happening. To me such scum are not much better, though in a court of law they might find some small lenience.

    This is the kind of guy I was specifically referring to in the OP. I even know of a guy who fucked a woman still covered in her own vomit, who nonetheless seemed to think he was some sort of glorious studmuffin, to hear him discuss his sexual prowess at interminable length to any and all who would listen, and a great many who would prefer he simply shut the fuck up about it...
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    I once had someone just feed me drinks. Then one bartender noticed I had too much, and said no she needs to be cut off, and the customer got mad at the bartender lol. What, he was hoping I would get super drunk and be stupid enough to do stuff with him?

    Then I remember another one who kept trying to buy drinks even though i was totally hammered. umm, don't they realize the lady will end up puking up like crazy? Duh?

    Why didn't I stop myself on the drinks? I don't know. It was a phase when I drank too much at work and was used to getting hammered every night...so I guess i'd forget when i'd have too much. Though I always kept my guard up, watched my drink. One guy in a room once..I was soo drunk I even fell over a couple times, kept trying to pull over my thong, saying oh I don't do anything, I just want to pull it down..lol are you kidding me? When you're standing right behind me? So it became a game of pull down thong while I keep holding it up. Thinking back, I should have had him kicked out. Maybe I kept up with it because I was hoping he'd extend to another half hour. But give me a break. Not to discriminate, but he was indian. Was he hoping I would be stupid enough to not realize he was trying to fuck me, and also without a condom? The nerve of these fuck-ups.
    No drug incidents that I know of. You got to watch your drink like crazy. Don't let him pour it for you when your back is turned. Even if he is your "friend" or regular..you never know if they'll pull a trick. People are sick.
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    i dont catch them in their game, they can always deny and you will still prob get drugged.
    i pretend nothings going on and that i buy all of his b.s.

    i never let go of my drink

    never leave it out of sight

    if he brings/orders for me i take a sip every 10 mins so i notice body changes easy...

    order drinks in bottles like smirnoffs so if im distracted the opening is too small thus hard for them to spike

    if drink is the same colour/type as theirs on a table, distract customer, swap drinks, pretend you had enough and let them drink 'theirs' [if you ca pull this off inconsicuously]

    excuse yourself to bathroom to tip it out

    ive heard of a cardboard test or something how if you drip a spiked drink onto a piece of cardboard it changes colour or something but i need to research that again i mustve read that years ago

    always get the waitress to deliver drinks if u cant [say to them 'oh shes so pretty/has great tits you ought to check her out]

    if youre standing with customer, hold drink in hand dont just let it hang on the bar

    if you suspect you have been spiked, try to point him out to a manager or security for them to deal with

    go into the changeroom and do not leave by yourself to walk/drive/etc home under any circumstance [you dont know whos waiting at your car or front door] wait until symptoms pass or go to a hospital immediately [after several hours they cant trace it in your system, you want to know what you have been given]

    if you are already driving or on the way home call a friend to check in or arrange to change routes and stay with someone

    if you experience any memory loss go to a hospital immediately and get tested for everything....

    call the last people you remember seeing to help you pierce your story back together

    REPORT IT

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    dont know if any of this is useful but im super paranoid and have never been spiked
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    Wow, damn! It's definately helps to watch..EVERYTHING! I once had a guy follow me out of a store, in the middle of the day, I keep my cell on me at all times, not that that's fail proof either. They had a special on tv where it showed just a moment's distraction, guy sitting right next to a girl, dropping who-knows-what in her drink, practically under her nose


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    I've had my drink spiked, and I wasn't even in a club, I was at a restaurant having dinner and drinks with a friend. Thank god she got me home safely but it's so scary to think what could have happened. I was completely out of it, almost no memory of the night and I went from being fine, to having to be carried into her building from the cab by her doorman. God knows what whoever did it hoped to get out of it... maybe follow me home or see if I got split up from my friend or something.

    A girl at my club had her drink spiked too, and within about a half hour, she went from fine, to drunk, to having a seizure in my arms in the dressing room and being rushed to the ER. Crazy!!!


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    My best friend got spiked on monday night. Passed out in the club and went off in an ambulance. Woke up in hospital, panicked and discharged herself.

    I guess this wasn't quite the 'wannabe' date rapist like you describe - but he had intent was pretty damn serious about it. Scary stuff.

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    One of our SW members got her drink spiked this weekend here in Key West. Fortunately she was OK and didn't get raped by the motherfucker.

    What worries me are the dumb ones, who will go along with these assholes and trust them--both kinds of date rapists. The ones who spike the drinks when the girl isn't looking, as well as the sick fucks who actually believe they are 'just partying' with the women they ply with drugs and liquor, and fuck after they are passed out, etc.
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    Luckily this never happened to me but did to a friend. She actually saw him doing this and refused to drink it. For me personally I always had rules to avoid this. Anytime a guy asked to buy a drink I watched the bartender mix it. If I had to go to the bathroom I had a friend watch the drink. In general I am not big on having guys buy me drinks unless I know them so in restaurants or bars where I can't see I usually decline. When I worked clubs where we had to hustle drinks I did take a chance I suppose with the bartender working there, but never had a problem. Not to mention I do not drink alcohol at work, never did because of the danger.

    I keep hearing more and more stories about things like this. To me any guy who has to spike a drink to rape a girl is bottom of the barrel scum.

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    ^ If this really was an SW member -- and you know who it was -- you are obligated by Pryce's rules of the forum to encourage her to report it to the police.

    I'm not attacking you in this post in any way -- just pointing out the rules of the road that have been established by the owner to deal with crimes like this.

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    ... from the ( trustworthy ) bartender's bottle into my hand is the only safe way. Never take my eyes off my drink for a second. Refuse more drinks once my 'buzz factor' starts reaching the impaired judgement stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ... from the ( trustworthy ) bartender's bottle into my hand is the only safe way. Never take my eyes off my drink for a second. Refuse more drinks once my 'buzz factor' starts reaching the impaired judgement stage.
    I'm not surprised to hear that Melonie, you are definitely not one to be fooled by a bullshit artist trying to work his way into your pants by whatever means he can use.

    Both of these cautionary policies are crucial in avoiding both types of date rapist.


    Fortunately the SW member that got drugged thursday is fine. The club knows how to take care of its own.


    Unfortunately, the guys that pull this shit invariably do it again and again.

    I would certainly give anyone the benefit of the doubt, when hearing a wild story of their misconduct, especially from some of the flakier dancers I have worked with. Some of the dancers are as prone to make shit up as the predators, sad to say.

    But when you start hearing multiple stories about a guy, from multiple sources--and they all demonstrate the same modus operandi, and the same results (i.e. the women getting fucked in more ways than one), you know that guy needs to be watched very carefully indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    ^ If this really was an SW member -- and you know who it was -- you are obligated by Pryce's rules of the forum to encourage her to report it to the police.

    I'm not attacking you in this post in any way -- just pointing out the rules of the road that have been established by the owner to deal with crimes like this.
    Oh dear god yes, since those are Pryce's rules of the forum,you must report it to the police. Since you know, a message board can compel you to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Where there's smoke, there's fire...
    Sometimes there's just a smokescreen. It's called "hearsay," and you turned it around and perpetuated it yourself. That was a huge mistake.

    OK, I think I've been patient enough. I've responded with what I can in the thread entitled, "Are you Contemptuous of Your Customers?" in Customer Conversation for the record and the purposes of civility and order in the forum.

    BTW, I'm told by an excellent attorney that what you've done is actionable in a court of law. I know you think the oblique references somehow shield you, but you are sadly mistaken.

    You can, of course, delete this message, but you can't delete a civil complaint delivered to you in person.

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    You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    One of our SW members got her drink spiked this weekend here in Key West. Fortunately she was OK and didn't get raped by the motherfucker.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    ^ If this really was an SW member -- and you know who it was -- you are obligated by Pryce's rules of the forum to encourage her to report it to the police.

    I'm not attacking you in this post in any way -- just pointing out the rules of the road that have been established by the owner to deal with crimes like this.
    This makes no sense? He's obligated by someone he doesn't really know named Pryce and an internet forum? When did SW become codified US statute?

    What does Pryce own? A domain name, he is no authority, has no authority, and neither do you.

    Considering DJoser is very protective, wouldn't it be obvious that he would do the right thing for her? But having a drink spiked is one of those weird things that are hard to prove.

    1. Did anyone see it happen or even know who did it? The guy who is trying to take a wasted stripper home may not be the predator, he just may be an opportunistic vulture who thinks he has a chance to score.

    2. Did she go to the hospital fast enough to test positive for being dosed? For example, GHB leaves the system in about 4 hours, it metabolizes into something that occurs naturally in the body (I forget what) and becomes untraceable.

    3. Was it possible that her drink wasn't spiked and she had a bad drinking experience. This can happen when least expected, especially if someone is also on other medication, it doesn't take much.

    4. And the big thing, the thing that you non-industry males don't understand...she's a STRIPPER. Cops seldomly have any sympathy for strippers. In fact, they often laugh and and belittle sex workers, even abuse them. Most strippers don't trust cops for very good reason.

    So if at least some of the above were true, what exactly could Djoser do and what exactly can they tell the cops if there is absolutely no evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    you are obligated by Pryce's rules of the forum...the rules of the road that have been established by the owner...
    Quote Originally Posted by Pryce
    We definitely do NOT encourage members meeting in real life.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    In the three years since, I’ve had dinner and drinks in restaurants with dozens of SW dancers, visited them in clubs, sat in their hotel rooms...
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    The other half stated that after they accepted the money, they felt that he was acting "creepy," so they cut off communication with him.



    Quote Originally Posted by The Other Owner View Post
    That was a huge mistake....you are sadly mistaken.

    You can, of course, delete this message, but you can't delete a civil complaint delivered to you in person.

    You are the one who is mistaken. Your threat means nothing to me...
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    hmmm.....


    not sure wha the story is here....but since this is a forum....here is my opinion....

    there are 2 kinds of people in this situation........

    1. people who havent done anything wrong

    B. people who run to their lawyer when someone says something they dont like in an annonymous web forum ............................

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    ...wtf is going on?

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    ^ It's mud-wrestling. We are selling tickets in Customer Convo. Get in on the action!

    We are getting to the final stages of a debate, and beyond all reasonable expectations, are making progress. You might want to check it out.

    And as explained in that thread, the last post I put up in this one was to clarify that a legal line had been crossed, and that was an attorney's opinion. That is all that was. There's nothing going on that will endanger this site, so no worries. Sometimes my writing is too dramatic for its own good -- sorry.

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    It's embarassing but I'm one of those 'stupid ones' who made a really stupid decision. I was drunk after work when the club closed one night and my ride never showed up so I agreed to have a customer (who i thought was a regular everyone trusted) take me home. He gave me a drink in the car and the last thing I remember was him driving past my exit and just ignoring me/smiling when I told him he was going the wrong way. Then I have fuzzy memories of wandering around a strange neighborhood and finding a liquore store and asking to use someones phone for help. And I tried dailing numbers but I couldn't press any buttons. Then the next thing I remember is sitting in the back of a cop car and the cop asking me if "the sex was consensual".

    That whole night feels like a dream and I'm a perfect example of what NOT to do!

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