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    Wow can we say "vague"? LOL Maybe I should look up contemporary statewide standards for more specifics.

    ETA: This helps a bit http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...file=311-312.7
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    So far it's only saying what's considered obscene when it comes to showing content to minors. I can't find anything for what's considered obscene for consulting adults.

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    I was shocked to see some of the screen names and show descriptions on AW. Seems vomiting, peeing and defacating are ok overseas. I wonder if the girls who are doing these acts in their shows are truly enjoying it? I mean they actually claim they will eat their own waste matter. Whatever floats their boat I guess!

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    Wikipedia says:Restriction
    Publication of hardcore material is only illegal at the federal (national) level if it meets the Miller test of obscenity, which is rare. Bestiality, simulated rape, urination and defecation are deemed "obscene", and pornography depicting such acts is not legal or available legally in the United States, however such publications are widely available in the United States on the internet. Pornographic materials may not be made available to minors.
    Some attempts at restricting pornography on the Internet have been made, but most have been struck down by the courts.
    Prosecution for and tolerance of pornography distribution varies widely from state to state and city to city.


    But some further research and thing gets blurry. Just peeing on film is not illegal. Hell, even simulated rape isn't illegal if it's for artistic purposes.

    Worrying that a menstruation show could be associated with self harm because there is blood involved is just silly. I don't need to conform to the male perspective even though I'm judged by it as part of my occupation. It's because some men are afraid of menstrual blood, they think it's icky. So then we're taught to think it's icky too. Just because a man would like to see me fucking myself in a puddle of blood doesn't necessarily mean that he's envisioning me stabbed to death and bleeding out. Period sex can be sexy as hell. Primal.

    And as far as fisting goes, I'm always made a little uncomfortable when a girl's first reaction when fisting is brought up is, "Ew, gross." I'll admit, I didn't really get it at first. I still don't want to see anyone fisting their ass, but that's personal preference. It's also not something I could do in a 5 min show multiple times a night. But if done correctly, with lots of foreplay and patience, it can be really amazing. And this is coming from a girl who's biggest dildo is a slender 6".

    There are plenty of assholes who are going to ask for "sick" shit just to get a rise out of us. "Fist bb" guys are just idiots. But, in the example of fisting, serious fisting fetishists will understand that if they want a fisting show, they better buy a long block.

    I wouldn't pee on cam. Even if I had a lap top. It takes like 10 seconds, how long can the show possibly last?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    I wouldn't pee on cam. Even if I had a lap top. It takes like 10 seconds, how long can the show possibly last?
    Not shows. The money is in clips (for me anyway.)

    The true fetish guys - not the dorks who get off on the giggles when they see what they can convince some of us to do on cam for $1/min - will pay BIG bucks for this.

    There is HUGE money in toilet related fetishes. Specialize in it and you will bank.

    I have 12, 2min - 4min toilet related videos (in compliance with the law) and I've made $XXX in just those videos alone this WEEK.

    See why I brought this up? hehe

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    Oh, I would totally do a tinkle vid. Who cares? Why have so many lines drawn? Obviously we all have our limits and that's a good thing. But if someone wants a video of me peeing, what do I care? Is that any more embarrassing than any of the other stuff that could end up on a tube site for the world to see?

    I think too many girls get all uppity (god, I hate that word) about this kinda stuff. Who am I to judge anyone's fetish? Especially if it makes me (or anyone else) money.

    I think the guys who have fetishes that are a little more "out there" have a harder time finding girls willing to accommodate them; Quality girls, not the desperate ones who will do just about anything for a dollar. So when they find a girl willing to indulge them in that particular fetish, they know you're a keeper and will be very generous in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    I think the guys who have fetishes that are a little more "out there" have a harder time finding girls willing to accommodate them; Quality girls, not the desperate ones who will do just about anything for a dollar. So when they find a girl willing to indulge them in that particular fetish, they know you're a keeper and will be very generous in return.
    Eeeeeexactly! Find a micro niche fetish and you will totally bank!







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    Quote Originally Posted by BlakeDahlia View Post
    Oh, I would totally do a tinkle vid. Who cares? Why have so many lines drawn? Obviously we all have our limits and that's a good thing. But if someone wants a video of me peeing, what do I care? Is that any more embarrassing than any of the other stuff that could end up on a tube site for the world to see?

    I think too many girls get all uppity (god, I hate that word) about this kinda stuff. Who am I to judge anyone's fetish? Especially if it makes me (or anyone else) money.

    I think the guys who have fetishes that are a little more "out there" have a harder time finding girls willing to accommodate them; Quality girls, not the desperate ones who will do just about anything for a dollar. So when they find a girl willing to indulge them in that particular fetish, they know you're a keeper and will be very generous in return.
    I would only do it if the site I'm selling it from can confirm I'm not going to get my account cancelled.

    I got my clips4sale account disabled for using "hypnosis" in a clip title and description. I linked to it from an outside site to try to bring in more traffic to my store. They said Mastercard saw it and pitched a fit. Apparently Mastercard thinks I actually have the power to hypnotize men to buy! hahah. and then they will contact Mastercard and do a chargeback and say I forced them to spend all their money? right.

    omg I was so pissed! I had to redo a lot of stuff because of that.

    "Due to changing MasterCard rules effective immediately we are no longer able to have clips dealing with Hypnosis on Clips4Sale. All Your hypnosis clips have been deactivated."


    I think the sites where we sell, any payment processors and getting your account disabled is the main danger. Fortenately they didn't kick me off the site completely.
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    Last night I did a search for local and state laws on obscenity and consensual sex. I could not find anything except for the obvious ones, such as underage and offenders.
    Is there keywords that I am missing? Any suggestions?

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    I missed an hour of two of cam work due to research. There is SO much info pertaining to obscenity law reform that it's not even funny. You should honestly take a look at it. As far as the selling of clips... I want to talk to a lawyer and try to find a way to disclaimer my work (possibly edit clips to have a small disclaimer at the beginning stating that "these works are for artistic purposes only and are not to be viewed by people ages 18 and under or any party with the intent to use the clips as evidence in a court of law. All acts are simulated and preformed under the actors consent. All persons appearing are over the age of 18." ect ect.... hmmmmm I would never want to have to go to court for what I do but I would like to see the State get slammed because of a simple disclaimer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caz View Post
    I missed an hour of two of cam work due to research. There is SO much info pertaining to obscenity law reform that it's not even funny. You should honestly take a look at it. As far as the selling of clips... I want to talk to a lawyer and try to find a way to disclaimer my work (possibly edit clips to have a small disclaimer at the beginning stating that "these works are for artistic purposes only and are not to be viewed by people ages 18 and under or any party with the intent to use the clips as evidence in a court of law. All acts are simulated and preformed under the actors consent. All persons appearing are over the age of 18." ect ect.... hmmmmm I would never want to have to go to court for what I do but I would like to see the State get slammed because of a simple disclaimer.
    That is a very good idea. I might use something similar. Any disclaimers usually make people stop and think.

    I spent a few hours last night looking for the laws and still could not find anything. I must be doing the search wrong or my state just doesn't want anyone to know.

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    Yeah that would be a good idea to put a disclaimer on your C4S studio page even.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsani View Post
    Yeah that would be a good idea to put a disclaimer on your C4S studio page even.

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    ^This lol

    I'm not sure if that disclaimer would hold water but one thing I should add is that if you record it in an illegal state they can get you. So you would also want to say you're clip was not recorded in any state where it was illegal... blanket that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsani View Post
    If anyone finds California obscenity laws can you please link it here?
    lmao! are you serious ...nothing to worry about in Cali thats why they porn industry is there.....but dont play in Utah and places like Mississippi lol
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    It's funny that California is so lax with some laws but strict on others. Prostitution is illegal and the strip club laws are very strict. No touching allowed and custies aren't allowed to give money directly to the dancers they have to place it on a little designated spot for the ladies to pick up after the song (it has something to do with the prostitution laws I think, like if you pass the money to the lady they're performing sex acts for money *rolls eyes*). Also strip clubs in California aren't allowed to serve alcohol if there's full nudity. There are titty bars where the girls are only topless and they can serve alcohol.

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    Well, I asked Sm about menstruating, object insertion (specifically veggies) and the line on role play and incest/bestiality.

    I have now been told I cannot show blood.

    That was it.

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    Most obscenity laws will pertain to doing things in public or with minors/animals. You'll have to dig deep to find the "odd stuff"--doing things in public, etc. If you search "bdsm and the law," you'll find some sites that'll outline consensual sex, etc.

    Also keep in mind that if you're truly 2257 compliant, it'll resolve a lot of potential issues for you in the future. (No need for a disclaimer claiming everyone is 18 yrs old when you have paperwork to prove it.--Paperwork you're federally required to have.)

    I have a disclaimer before you enter my site for "the underage group," obscenity, etc. Can I still get sued? Yes. Does that mean they'll win? Depends. (He who hath the best lawyer will always win.)

    As far as not being able to sell certain types of clips on certain sites, if it isn't legal where you're at, let custies know you offer those clips OFF-SITE, but not on whatever site it is since that isn't allowed. (I know you can advertise outside links on C4S's newsletter feature, so that's a good option.) I do age play, and that isn't allowed on all sites for various reasons (most of them having to do with idiots and actual pedos instead of people really into the fetish).

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    Yeah, mississippi's laws basically say "you don't have genitals and cat have or think about sex". Lol. Really the laws are geared at selling physical items or acts, mostly in regards to underage people. However the laws do block sex shops which really sucks. Can you say bible belt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Blood is a sticky territory because it is associated with self-harm and violence.
    haha get it, a "sticky " territory??
    lol sorry wrong wrong wrong.. i agree.
    what about those of us that live in lame ass bible belt areas, hmm.. a dilemma?

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    I don't get why the law would consider an involuntary bodily action (poop, pee, periods, lactation) to be "obscene". So does this mean if I have a stomach virus and shit myself in public and somebody happens to record it, I could get arrested?

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    I'd imagine SM and other websites try to avoid giving you specific information on what you can't show because they really don't know. The average IT person isn't up to date on all the state laws, so they just say "no blood" to avoid having to deal with anything that might cause any problems. It's easier to not allow showing menstruation then to deal with the uptight pearl clutchers who'd throw a fit about it.


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    I don't think some of them are totally illegal. For example, fisting is allowed on Southern Charms.

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    I know the search function is my friend but I tried looking for "prohibited" and "animals". A few months back there was this thread that was pretty informative. My fiance and I were thinking of getting into camming and from what I understand, you can't poo, pee, fuck a corpse, fuck an animal, or crush small animals underneath your shoes (ewwww) among other acts.

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    I dont know why any camsites have issues with it. If you're pvt and it's between two consenting adults then what's the big deal? If the woman was walking down the street while shitting and fisting her cootch while on her period I could see it being a problem but something tells me I wont see that in my lifetime..lol

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