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    Im talking about the cam shows on the sites.
    Ever noticed that when someone goes private.. if they ask lets say " toy play" and u start doing it... chances are they will get gone in 5 minutes?
    Teasing before you start the hardcore stuff can only last so long.. u cant tease and strip for 30 minutes, unless they specifically ask you to do so..

    So whats up with that?
    The price too high for them?
    They get off too quick?
    They dont like the performance?
    I tend to think its because we ( I) give out too much too fast..

    I know all about teasing in between , talking in between .. but sometimes whatever you try to do its still a short private...
    SO at times I think to myelf (( LOL Typo my elf )... "ok then, I wont do shit for the first 5 minutes if he sticks around then he deserves more"...
    There are numerious times when I get more people in private and IF Im already engaged in hardcore stuff.,, the "others" watch for 5 sec and leave... if Im just stripping at the time and not doing much they stick around...
    Its confusing...
    Men are wierd lol
    so I guess my question is...
    Do u notice the same things when u work?

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    Default Re: The More you give.. the Less you get?!?!

    Happens to me too.... alot this week especially...just cheapasses, my only conclusion

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    Yep. I went non nude for a stint when I was on MFC and hit my then daily goal like it was cake 3 days in a row. There were less viewers than when I would just hang out in my bra and panties (for non nude, I adopted skirt and tank top outfits. With heels), but the money came sooooo much easier as the men who were there obviously appreciated a little mystery and would pay for it. It was pretty nice.

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    Default Re: The More you give.. the Less you get?!?!

    I just charge high rates now so it doesnt matte to me if it where three minutes or 30, its all worth it now.

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    this is mostly in reference to my experiences on streamate & cams.com and the culture there.

    some of them are cheapasses. some are just middle or lower middle class and want to spend money on us but don't have that much money to burn. i mean, when i think about it, i spend less than $30-$50/week on luxury stuff. camming is a luxury item. a lot of these guys who only make $20k or $30k a year can't afford to spend a lot on shows each week - but they make up the bulk of our customers and the majority of men, well, everywhere. i charge $3.50-$5/min and that adds up. if they only want to spend 5 mins getting off in my room a few nights a week...that's still money to me. i'd rather they come to me and spend whatever they have.

    don't get me wrong, i love whales, too, but they are fewer and further between. i'm perfectly happy to let the short shows add up because i know those guys usually can't afford to spend more. the ones who can spend will stay...it doesn't matter whether i stall or not. so i usually tease for the first couple of minutes then i get down to whatever they are into, or if they don't have a preference, i just do fingering and toy play.

    there are lots of guys also who are jerks about it, or who have the money and are just being cheap, or who want you to start doing anal in the first thirty seconds and stuff like that, but i usually block them. but i think there are a lot of guys who just can't afford longer shows and they get off pretty quickly.

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    Its the same on Aw too if your in a group show and ur already naked and playing etc guys will come in and leave in like 30 seconds. If your not already naked they seem to stick around.....Ive been thinking all along its just me! lol Xx

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    This is the main reason I raised prices too! I tried it a few months ago and got discouraged, but I really quit too soon. This time I stuck with it and the guys waiting for me to drop prices down again left, and I gained new customers who have money to spend. Fewer shows but more money overall.


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    Default Re: The More you give.. the Less you get?!?!

    Less shows for the same money sounds good to me......let the free loaders run along to someone else. Xx

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    Default Re: The More you give.. the Less you get?!?!

    I'm with Tinydancer on this one. Short sessions add up!

    I honestly don't think that there is a whole lot that you can do to slow things down, other than to wait to do something until you are asked to by the custy. i.e. don't get in there, strip right off and start diddling yourself! Say hi, move seductively, ask what they are in the mood for, and then do what they ask until they ask for more.

    I think that a lot of guys are fluffing themselves before they come in, and don't want to spend the money for a long show if they don't need to. Yes, I would love to only do half hour sessions all day, but if I make the same amount of money doing 5 minutes sessions, then thats fine with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    Well we have the wonderful free chat, and they are already beating, choking the chicken, before they even say hi, or come to our room, so when they need to come, they just press private, see tits , pussy shot, and they are goooooooone
    That so happens loads on Aw. Sometimes guys are so obvious about it......going as far as telling you what they are doing in free chat.....the ban button has sorted that out for me but banning them also loses you the money of the brief show you will get from them.....catch 22!

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    It's somewhat the same with MFC once you go naked the tips just stop flowing which is whyy i prefer to have something on haha. Teasing sells, I hit my goal the other day without removing anything or doing any sort of show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeahBabii View Post
    It's somewhat the same with MFC once you go naked the tips just stop flowing which is whyy i prefer to have something on haha. Teasing sells, I hit my goal the other day without removing anything or doing any sort of show.

    Teasing on Aw just seems to piss guys off and they leave and run on to the next one to try and get everything as cheap as possible. Xx

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    Default Re: The More you give.. the Less you get?!?!

    I wonder if its our human nature as females to be eager to please...
    so we try to anticipate what they want based on previous experiences in private and jump right to action before they even aask for it....
    Or better yet.,. my biggest mistake now thinking about this..
    asking them what they want to see specifically
    maybw trying to.. not ask anythin would work better....
    hum hum hum..
    still trying to improve after all this time lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeahBabii View Post
    It's somewhat the same with MFC once you go naked the tips just stop flowing which is whyy i prefer to have something on haha. Teasing sells, I hit my goal the other day without removing anything or doing any sort of show.
    Absolutely. Before I experimented with non nude, I would have a set time limit on how long I would stay naked (after they've tipped to get me there of course). The rule was simple: If the tips kept coming, I stayed nude. If the tips alert didn't go off at least once in a 10 minute period, I would put my panties on, wait another song or two (this was how I kept time. I did a LOT of dancing on MFC) and then I'd put my bra back on. Usually "reminded" the boys and they'd tip to keep the goodies visible. ^_^ It undermines the war on freeloaders, but at least I was getting paid for being nude.

    (helps to have a set minimum. I think my was 50tks. The boys usually tipped more. )


    ETA: As a nude model, I never did public penetration. Therefore, guys who can't get off to mere nudity still had a reason to purchase them. I'd put a minimum on that too. Enough tokens to last 5 minutes at least.

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    thanks for your replies everybody...
    Quote Originally Posted by tinydancer23 View Post
    there are lots of guys also who are jerks about it, or who have the money and are just being cheap, or who want you to start doing anal in the first thirty seconds.
    humm
    on most of the sites, there are great deals.. happy hours, groups shows and gold shows.. where and when the charge is 0.99/min or less
    I mean people dont have $5 for 5 min? I really doubt it.
    I dont think its the money..

    I think its 1 of 2 things:
    1. other models "educated" them wrong ( aka anal in the first 2 minutes of show) so they think thats the standard and they feel no guilt asking for it from others..
    2. they become uninterested once they see all we got to offer in 2-3 minutes...( uninterested either because they come quick.. either because they joined the private JUST out of curiousity.. once curiousity is satisfied, there is no need to stay....)

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    ^^^ There is that. I know I don't have Saks money so I don't go to Saks. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinnerette View Post
    ^^^ There is that. I know I don't have Saks money so I don't go to Saks. Get it?
    is the "get it?" for me?

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    Just some gentle ribbing about my metaphor. I'm saying a lot of these guys are living beyond their means and expect champagne on a beer budget. As you pointed out, there are so many "steals" in this industry for the cheapos to take advantage of so they need to leave the higher priced girls alone if they can't afford us.

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    Its good to get loads of different opinions on this and its interesting how different girls see it. Its also worth noting that its the same pretty much across the board from Aw to SM to MFC. Freeloaders after everything for free. I know on Aw there are lots of Eastern Europeans working from studios that will do everything in group for 60p per minute. Why would guys need to pay more when there are girls out there doing everything so cheap. The sites will never stop it as they still get their % from it no matter how much the girls are charging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fridays View Post
    thanks for your replies everybody...

    humm
    on most of the sites, there are great deals.. happy hours, groups shows and gold shows.. where and when the charge is 0.99/min or less
    I mean people dont have $5 for 5 min? I really doubt it.
    I dont think its the money..

    I think its 1 of 2 things:
    1. other models "educated" them wrong ( aka anal in the first 2 minutes of show) so they think thats the standard and they feel no guilt asking for it from others..
    2. they become uninterested once they see all we got to offer in 2-3 minutes...( uninterested either because they come quick.. either because they joined the private JUST out of curiousity.. once curiousity is satisfied, there is no need to stay....)
    i wasn't talking about gold shows, i was talking about regular privates. obviously a lot of these guys who have less money join gold shows. that's where most of my gold show regs come from. but in my case what i posted holds true for normal privates most of the time (in my experience).

    i agree about champagne tastes on a beer budget...but i'd still rather have my little $5 or so for each short show i get than nothing at all between bigger spenders. because it definitely adds up.

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    I kind of have mixed feelings about this.

    If I'm already in a show with another guy, I LOVE the guys who come in for 50 seconds, 2 minutes, whatever they can afford. It totally adds up. I understand they can't afford to stay a long time and I have no negative feelings toward them about it.

    I DO, however, have an issue with a guy who knows he has no money to spend on me and PULLS me into a show for ONE OR TWO MINUTES. #1: He just pulled me away from every other conversation I was having at the time, as well as any potential money I could've made from other shows that minute. Guys have a short attention span and most won't wait. #2: Come on. Really? It's not worth it to me to get undressed and redressed for $1 and then do it twenty times in a row. It gets really annoying after a while.

    I can understand that sometimes they don't know they're close to their limit, computer disconnects, etc. So I note the guy's name. If he pulls me in again for a one minute show, he doesn't get to initiate any more shows. Sure, he can join one, but I'll kick him out if he starts one. I'm not getting undressed for a habitual minute man.

    Tinydancer, I totally agree that those few minutes add up. And I know some other models would think I'm too picky or snobby or whatever. But it took me many months to decide what I'm willing or not willing to put up with. I have no problem with guys who don't spend a lot. I don't even expect that they'll have respect for me or even think about the fact that their $3 isn't worth me getting undressed for. But I have to watch out for myself and set boundaries. Because they will take what they can get. And these days.... well, they can get a lot (pretty much everything) for free.

    There are a lot of guys on SM these days who are trying to shame models about their prices. In my opinion, I am a luxury. They can get free porn if they want it. But if they want a service, if they want a LIVE human being to cater to them and pay attention to them, if they're looking to pay for that human interaction... well, then they can pay for it. They don't need porn to survive. But I do need money to feed myself.

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    Its funny but when I started I wanted to give it all a fast as I could, in time I learned to keep it sensual and appealing, pacing the show - now my privates last a lot longer and I get better ratings, and even tips after we're done. Me and the custies are happier.
    I don't mind short shows, any money is good money for me, it adds up. However in SM, they really don't get to see anything except sensual teasing until those 30 free seconds elapse. And unless they come back with money cause they got disconnected, they're getting banned cause they prolly took me away from other guys in the room. Minute men may be mildly annoying, but 30 second men are the worse type of scumbag cockblocker out there.

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    oh yeah, if it's only for 1 or 2 minutes i take his name down and block his ass too if he's a repeat offender (unless i'm already in a show, then i don't mind if they pop in and out for a few minutes). i'm talking about like 3-5 minute (at least) shows. lol! i make a little over $1/min in group so a 4 or 5 minute show is fine with me because they add up. but 1 and 2 min shows are so not worth it. thankfully i don't get them that often.

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    I agree with Sybil. I've made some adjustments and I'm having more success. First I started doing more visually stimulating things such as dancing and teasing instead of sitting and chatting. Then in private, you do have to pace it...First 30 seconds teasing only, then slowly removing clothing in sexy dance, just like at a strip show. I ease more into now and I don't ask if they have any requests unless they specifically ask me. I'm in complete control and now I pace it instead of having them pace it. Confidence sells it. I literally just think in my mind about hypnotizing him with my body until he's under my complete control.I also raised my rates by $1 and I noticed since doing this I am attracting better customers who are taking longer privates and more longer exclusives.

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