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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...POUND-man.html

    This is fucked up on so many levels not just for the guy who had to stand up
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    Default Re: Passenger seated next to 400llb man forced to stand for 7 hrs

    Yeah, that's why Southwest has the two-seater rule.

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    Default Re: Passenger seated next to 400llb man forced to stand for 7 hrs

    gluttony...This guy was way to nice...fat boy would have been in the back counting peanut bags..lol $200 voucher..lol

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    Default Re: Passenger seated next to 400llb man forced to stand for 7 hrs

    Pfft i wouldn't have stood up, he was already sat down, what was he thinking!

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    Default Re: Passenger seated next to 400llb man forced to stand for 7 hrs

    I cannot believe they only offered him $200 in compensation after spending $800 for the opportunity to stand for 7 hours straight....smfh
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    I kinda of feel bad for the obese man. Imagine how embarassing this must have been for HIM. I understand the whole buying 2 seats if you're obese so this problem doesn't happen..but what about just creating BIGGER seats to cater to BIGGER people and charging a little more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjratedp View Post
    I kinda of feel bad for the obese man. Imagine how embarassing this must have been for HIM. I understand the whole buying 2 seats if you're obese so this problem doesn't happen..but what about just creating BIGGER seats to cater to BIGGER people and charging a little more.
    How about he loses some fucking weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Hyde View Post
    How about he loses some fucking weight?
    I was just looking at it from a different point of view.

    No need to be rude over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjratedp View Post
    I kinda of feel bad for the obese man. Imagine how embarassing this must have been for HIM. I understand the whole buying 2 seats if you're obese so this problem doesn't happen..but what about just creating BIGGER seats to cater to BIGGER people and charging a little more.
    It makes more money-sense for airlines to maximize their seat count (and therefore passenger count) by just keeping them the standard size. If they were to switch out all seats for bigger ones, they would have to double the price of airline tickets to make up the lost costs (which would not go over well with consumers) - Or if they just made a few seats for obese people, they would still be losing out on money, because those seats won't always need to be filled and a non-obese person wouldn't want to pay the extra for it. Then they have 2 empty "obese seats" sitting there when they could have easily filled 4 regular seats with other passengers. Even if they gave them to 2 non-obese passengers for the price of a regular ticket, they are still losing out on half the money they could have made off the same amount of space.

    Not to sound cold, as I also thought about how horribly embarrassed the obese man must have been, but it just makes more financial sense for the airline if they make the occasional morbidly obese passenger pay for 2 regular seats rather than change the structure of the aircraft and seats.
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    i dont undestand why they didnt offer someone a free ticket to wait for nextflight. i mean this was a safety violation... all passengers are required to be seated with trays in upright position with seat belt etc etc for flight and landing... what if the plane hit turbulance? it seems like airline could be sued for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...POUND-man.html

    This is fucked up on so many levels not just for the guy who had to stand up
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    The dots aren't connecting for me in several ways.
    First, the gate agent who let Mr. 400# board the plane as the last seat taker.
    Second, if Mr. B really couldn't fasten his seatbelt ( I seriously question if 400# could fasten his without a seat belt extension), then the flight had no business even moving from the gate, let alone taking off. FAR91.107 requires occupants to have seat belt fastened for takeoff, landing, and ground movements (exception being crewmembers performance of duties). Issue: Was any passenger on that flight unable to fasten their seatbelt. If not, then flight should not have departed, and issue resolved at the gate. But, if all occupants were able to fasten seatbelt, and Mr. B was in his seat for takeoff, landing, and taxi, but stood up at all other times because he didn't want to sit by 400#, then that could encroach upon cabin crew in performance of duties.

    Moving beyond regulatory concerns- All citizens/customers have an expectation of fair individual treatment/consideration. IMO, that stops when such consideration infringes upon others, which 400# definitely does. Offhand, I haven't seen empirical weight standards beyond which a passenger must purchase an additional seat. It is my understanding that airlines use 190 lbs. per passenger (195 lbs winter months) for calculating maximum allowable aircraft weight. It seems to mostly come out in the wash in the end. But, had 400# guy been put on a smaller regional airline plane, its not hard to imagine plane being loaded over allowable limits.
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    This is one reason why I am glad this is a site where most people aren't obese because we can actually say what we believe on this without being attacked how we feel. Anyway, I have only flown once roundtrip and neither time was I stuck next to an obese person and I'm not obese. However, I have been stuck sitting next to a obese person on train and bus rides and it's not fun. They have taken their seat and half of mine, and I believe they should be forced to pay for two seats, since they are sitting in two seats. I am tired of this whole "it's discrimination if we force them to pay for two seats". Bullshit, they are intruding in my space.

    My brother and sister in law's best friends are easily in the 300+ range and everytime they come over to visit my parents they have to sit in folding chairs. The reason? The actually broke my parents chairs and they needed to replace them. I like them, have known them since they were teens but 300 pounds is not healthy. When we all went out to buy bridesmaides dresses she had to go to a large store and even the largest was too small.

    Obesity is expected to increase and it will affect all of us. We will pay more in healthcare and taxes because of them and so much more. I realize not all can help it, but most can and it's not healthy for them either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    i dont undestand why they didnt offer someone a free ticket to wait for nextflight. i mean this was a safety violation... all passengers are required to be seated with trays in upright position with seat belt etc etc for flight and landing... what if the plane hit turbulance? it seems like airline could be sued for this.
    I agree - dont flights offer free tickets to wait on a regular basis? Ive gotten this before, once was just due to a minor inconvenience on the plane, the second was scheduling - nothing... life threatening. It is a simple flight regulatory issue that they failed to do anything about that put the guy, the plane, and its pasengers at risk. The fat guy just needing to not be fat is not the point. This is a transportation and security issue - not a public health parable.

    Consumers being expected to follow every TSA regulation to a T and then being forced to stand (regardless of the circumstances) is flawed and dangerous.

    It is a regulatory problem by an intensely government monitored business, not an individual passenger problem. The article spinning it as fat dude shouldnt be fat and people just looking at that is why ... blogs like The Consumerist need to be, like, as popular as Facebook so people can think more analytically instead of just regurgitating what theyre being fed.





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    Quote Originally Posted by gjratedp View Post
    I was just looking at it from a different point of view.

    No need to be rude over it.
    I didn't mean to be rude but I found it odd that the sympathy was for the guy that was able to sit for 7 hours.

    Seriously, if you are so big that you can't fit into an airline seat, shouldn't you lose some weight? Wouldn't that be a sign to you?

    Heck, if my pants get a little tight, I go on a diet.

    There is a reason why diabetes and heart disease are a problem in this country. I really don't have a lot of sympathy for people who are too big.

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    I don't either Mr Hyde because I have known many obese people and exactly one had a gland problem. Oddly she was a swimmer and very muscular but she was the only one. The rest I know who are large are that way because of diet and laziness. A friend of mine is over 300 pounds (she is 5'1)and it's because she is a big eater.

    I actually got called names on another board because of saying obese can usually help it. One person even said I was a sizeist fat phobic and calling people fat was the same as homophobia, racism and sexism. It's not, one can't help being a certain race, gender, and even sexual orientation. Most people can help being fat. My 5'1 friend claims she has a gland problem, but I'm sure the three double scooped ice cream cones she had when I went out to dinner with her had nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gjratedp View Post
    I kinda of feel bad for the obese man. Imagine how embarassing this must have been for HIM. I understand the whole buying 2 seats if you're obese so this problem doesn't happen..but what about just creating BIGGER seats to cater to BIGGER people and charging a little more.
    How about they buy two seats, or ride first class, or stay home, or better yet lose the weight.
    I know this will piss people off, but we're all entitled to our own opinions......... I can't stand fat people, its disgusting to me, I don't like seeing them or being around them or how sensitive they are about their weight because in all reality if they gave a shit they would stop eating like its thanksgiving year round or sitting on the couch all fucking day.

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    What the hell? There is something seriously wrong with this story. The guy has to stand up because the obese guy takes up 2 seats. Why didn't the obese guy stand?

    Anyway, I've been on a million and one flights and I'm so glad I've never had an obese person sit next to me. I think if it happened, I would pretend to use the restroom and find a different seat.

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    I feel bad for everyone involved. The poor man who had to stand for 7 hours and the er, occupant of the seat(s)

    But where is the accountability of the ticket agent who allowed that man to board while only purchasing one seat? I think there should at least be a reprimand for that agent.
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    Its not like the guy didn't know he was 400lbs? He knew this before he made arrangements for the trip & he knew this as the normal paying guy had to stand during the flight. Obesity is a choice not a disease.

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    Obesity, like depression, IS a disease however it's one that you can go:
    1. I need to lose weight. I'm not healthy.
    2. I need to stop eating so much and exercise.
    ^fall off that wagon a few times and then consider:
    3. I have no willpower, I might need professional help.
    4. Actually GO to a therapist, a doctor, and/or a weight trainer.

    If it's a disease, than obese peop need to treat it like one and
    seek help and LISTEN to their doctors.

    Even a depressed person who never seeks help is eventually going
    to get ridiculed, or at least be deserving of some ridicule if they do get some.

    Compassion doesn't mean giving carte blanche to a person who refuses
    to do anything about their problem to the detriment of themselves and those
    around them, while thinking they have the continued egotistic right to claim
    the victimhood of a disease.

    If they want to do that, they should go get something incurable.

    Otherwise, stop crying about it, form a plan, and get that shit taken care of.
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    ^ I gotta agree with this. I hate when obese people say, "It's not my fault, it's a disease." I don't get it. I mean, if you had cancer, you would be going to a doctor and doing everything you could to take care of it and get better. But every obese person I know who uses the "disease" excuse just sits at home on their couch and stuffs their face all day. "It's not my fault, it's a disease *nom nom nom.*" If it's a fucking disease, fucking take care of it.

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    I also agree. I have a friend who complains "oh I can't lose weight" but her diet is poor and all she does is sit around the house eating. I've told her to go see a doctor and nutritionist but she makes excuses. I've even given her advice on cutting down her junk food (and this is mostly what she eats)but she makes excuses.

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    I really do feel bad for these obese people that get charged for 2 seats or humiliated in front of people. I do. It must suck, esp for the guy mentioned at the end who missed his aunt's death. BUT fuel costs what it costs as a function of weight, and if you feel embarrassed about having someone point out that you're fat, well, I'd think you would have already gotten used to being fat?

    Really tall and short people can't ride rollercoasters, but there aren't any concessions made for them. And yes, airline flights are more of a necessity but still, it's a giant machine created for profit, it's privatized, and so if the seats are too small you unfortunately have to pay up or shut up.

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