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    So I've been dancing for about a month & my club has $10 dances. I recently found out that some of the other girls charge $20/dance (typically the really attractive ones) while other girls charge $5/dance (the less attractive, desperate, drug addict ones). I'm just as pretty, if not prettier than the $20 girls, but when guys find out I only charge $10, they buy more dances, tip me more on stage & I've gained a few regulars, I guess because I'm attractive, they assume that I would be a $20 girl so they feel like they're getting a deal. & after getting $10 dances from me, they're not gonna go pay $20 for a girl who's not even hotter than me. I always tell guys dances are $10 plus tips, so I end up getting at least $15 most of the time, sometimes more. It seems to me like I'm a lot busier & making a lot more money than the girls who are charging $20. So the last couple weeks, a few girls have said things to me like "You know we HAVE to charge $20 for dances now right?" which is totally false, or "How do you make any money charging $10/dance?" But it's pretty clear to me that they see I'm making more money than them & they're just hating.

    So my question is, is this normal? Should I be charging $20? Can't we get in trouble for over or undercharging? & how long til the the other girls start hating me & fucking with me cause I won't raise my price?

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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    Dance prices are minimums. If you want to charge more, charge more. Don't undercut other girls by charging less than the minimum.

    Are you really making more than them? Or just WORKING more? If I can make the same amount of money doing half the work, then eff "looking busy" imo. Is it worth it to secure cheap ass regs?

    In the end, do what works for you. If charging the standard rate of $10/song + TIPS is what makes you happy and makes you money, do it. However, I would at least experiment with charging more... work smarter, not harder.

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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    $20 is the industry standard.
    $10 is a table/air dance.

    there is no such thing as overcharging for me dancing in front of you naked.

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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    Quote Originally Posted by Addison View Post
    Dance prices are minimums. If you want to charge more, charge more.
    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    $20 is the industry standard.
    $10 is a table/air dance.

    there is no such thing as overcharging for me dancing in front of you naked.
    I just want to point out that prices can vary by club and in some clubs you can even get in trouble for charging anything other than the dance price, be it over or under. That clearly isn't the case at the OP's club, but I just want to make it known that pricing isn't universal.

    As for the OP: if you're satisfied with how much you're making based on the higher volume, keep it up. Don't let the other girls bully you into charging more because they choose to - there's nothing wrong with charging the minimum. Of course, there's also nothing wrong with charging more. You won't have to give as many dances to make as much money, but as you've noticed, volume will likely decrease with the price increase.

    There's also the tricky situation of your regulars - it's a touchy spot to suddenly double how much you're charging them, so it may be wise to 'grandfather them in' and keep charging them $10 and new customers $20.

    Lots of girls on the board have posted about having 'tiered' prices, where it's $10 for a regular dance and $20 for an extra sexy dance (or whatever wording you want to use and is legal). That way, each customer has the chance to become a $20/dance customer, but you won't necessarily lose out on the volume of offering $10 dances. If you're good at reading customers, you can also name your price based on the customer. It can be hard to keep track of with sporadically returning customers though, so the tiered system is probably much simpler.

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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    I would never undercharge. Not only is it not fair to the other girls, it shows that you don't believe your dances are worth the normal price. You won't get good customers that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    $20 is the industry standard.
    $10 is a table/air dance.

    there is no such thing as overcharging for me dancing in front of you naked.
    There is no such thing as an industry standard. Where I dance (and in the entire region around here) $40 is pretty typical with the occasional club doing $20 dances.

    To the OP I'd say try charging $20. If you have a good hustle you should still be able to stay busier than most girls but make way more money than you did by charging $10.

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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    Don't undercharge (like the $5 girls do) since that just undercuts everybody. But if $10 is your club standard and $20 is "overcharging" then do what feels best to you. These girls may be mad, but charging the minimum is perfectly fine. If they want to charge more, it's on them to work their hustle in a way that makes it worth it - not on you to raise your prices as well so that they feel they have a "fairer" shot.

    If you really think you're a "$20 girl" maybe try playing around with raising your prices for a little while. You never know, you could end up selling just as many dances and making more and being like "wow, why didn't I do this before!?" But on the other hand, I understand where you're coming from saying that you think you sell more dances and therefore get more money by charging $10 instead of $20. This was always the case for me too. Everybody at my first club hated half-off dance day because dances were only $10 instead of $20. I loved half-off dance day because it was so easy to sell dances, and I always made more that day than I would on normal dance price days where it was like pulling teeth to get a guy to part with $20 for one dance. $10 dances can definitely work more in your favor than the $20 dances sometimes. As long as $10 isn't actually undercharging, but the normal club price, I see nothing ethically wrong with sticking to that price.

    Overall, if $10 is the club standard, and $20 is overcharging, you don't owe it to anyone to hurt your sales and money by raising your price from the standard just so that they don't have to up their hustle to compete with you.
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    Requesting the tip on top of the regular dance price is the smartest thing to do.





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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    I charge whatever I want pretty much. I never charge the normal 20 pd unless I HAVE to (like the customers is hassling about my price) sometimes I way over charge like 3 for 100 if I know they will pay it. We are independent contractors and we can charge whatever we want. But if you are going to over charge make sure your dances are mind blowing and VERY sexy (you can do this with absolutely NO touching).
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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    I have seen customers going to the manager complaining when dancers overcharge the dances, especially when the prices are printed in the food/drink menus and around the bar. So the over/undercharge, I do not encourage it, but requesting for tips seems perfectly fine, like some of y'all had said.

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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    -"Dances are a $10 minimum, or $20 if you want an *extra sexy* dance" or whatever to entice him to pay more, yet still feel like he's getting a deal

    -What about charging $15 per dance?

    -"Dances are $20, or 5 for $60" or make up some deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia_victoria View Post
    I have seen customers going to the manager complaining when dancers overcharge the dances, especially when the prices are printed in the food/drink menus and around the bar. So the over/undercharge, I do not encourage it, but requesting for tips seems perfectly fine, like some of y'all had said.
    I have also seen that. It depends on the geographic location. Some are completely against overcharging, and other places encourage you & tell you to overcharge... probably so you tip them out well at the end of the night. But it really just depends what other girls are doing, and if you'll get in trouble or not.

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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    Undercharging is just selling yourself short. I never overcharge so I'm technically not breaking club rules, but I do ask for a tip afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    I also think you should charge $15. That way you still seem like a "deal" compared to the $20 girls but in most cases you'll get the full $20. When they hand you the $20 just say "thank you!!!" and immediately start dancing or whatever. When I was charging $25 I would often get a $10 and a $20 and they were fine with not getting change back, whereas people would rarely pull out an additional bill on top of the fee.
    Yes this is very true. I work in a club for dances are $20-30, negotiable. When I sell them for $25 or $30 I find I get tipped a lot more often than with $20 dances, since they are already pretty much handing it to me. And if they do want change back I try to give them ones, and take my sweet time doing it, and that helps me get at least a couple extra bucks.

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    I worked in a club that slapped you with a $100 fine if you over OR under charged. Be sure to check into your club rules (read your contract) and make sure everything's cool.

    I hate, hate, HATE it when customers tell me "so and so gave me a dance for $5." Or they'll flash $10 in my face like they're the shit and I need their money. Undercharging is never ok...now, if you're making good money by charging the standard rate, good for you! But don't ever undercharge. And frankly, $10 is cheap anyway! I've never worked in a club where dances were less than $20, although table dances are 10 and some girls make good money selling them.

    The club I'm in now does something similar...we can sell a 2-for-1 any time we want to. Usually I'll try to sweet talk a guy into a dance and if he seems hesitant, I'll bust out "but since you're so cute, I can give you a 2-for-1!" Why don't you do the same? Just start off with 20 and if they're not buying it, drop down to 10....but in a classy way; don't seem desperate.

    And don't worry about the other girls. They'll use any excuse they can come up with to hate you. Eventually, they'll realize you're not a terrible threat and they'll forget about you, or even respect you.
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    i do not give change or break large bills. if all you have is $100 bills, then guess what, motherfucker? either get your moneys worth or give me a lovely tip. your choice.

    the industry standard for a lap dance is $20 just like the industry standard is 3 minutes for a song. if your club does not adhere to this (my current club, for instance, does not), then okay. don't argue over dumb shit.

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    Default Re: Is it normal/OK to over or undercharge for dances?

    Why would you not charge as much as possible?

    Whatever you do, don't go under $10. Going below the base price is under cutting.

    The other peeve dancers have is if you're going to do extra, charge extra.

    If a dancer is doing a $20 dance, but only charging $10 that is when dancers turn into haters.




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    at my club dances are advertised as £10 but on my first day the manager said everyone charges £20 and i should do the same. most of the time i don't even need to quote a price, guys just hand over twenties anyway coz it's the standard cost in england. and on the rare occasion a guy mentions its advertised as £10 (one of the djs likes to announce it between every song) i just walk away because quite frankly, a tenner is enough to get me a packet of cigarettes and a magazine and seeing me naked is worth more than that. it's not really a big deal, the area manager bitched us all out about it once but no one in charge cares that much.

    anyway, my point is that you should consider how much you value your body. if you believe you're worth 20, then guys will pay 20 for you. maybe not all of them, but enough of them that you'll make more money.

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    Ive only ever worked with a minimum charge, but most girls charged over that price in 'tips' (our 'base dance' amount was collected by the club, and paid to us at the end of the shift, with housefee and their dance cut taken out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cammi View Post
    at my club dances are advertised as £10 but on my first day the manager said everyone charges £20 and i should do the same. most of the time i don't even need to quote a price, guys just hand over twenties anyway coz it's the standard cost in england. and on the rare occasion a guy mentions its advertised as £10 (one of the djs likes to announce it between every song) i just walk away because quite frankly, a tenner is enough to get me a packet of cigarettes and a magazine and seeing me naked is worth more than that. it's not really a big deal, the area manager bitched us all out about it once but no one in charge cares that much.

    anyway, my point is that you should consider how much you value your body. if you believe you're worth 20, then guys will pay 20 for you. maybe not all of them, but enough of them that you'll make more money.
    I don't want this to sound harsh, so I hope you don't interpret it as so, but...

    You struggle with making a profit every night, or at least you did before....maybe you SHOULD consider offering dances for 10. I mean, if someone was having a really hard time making money, wouldn't it make sense to try and cut their price? Especially if it's the standard rate in the club......I'm just saying, for the sake of the OP, that should serve as a good example of when it's better to not be a "$20 girl."

    Of course *I* believe my body is worth 20....or 50, or 100, or more. And there have been times when customers felt the same way....but sometimes I have to accept the reality that I would be better off eating a slice of humble pie and hustling dances for a quick 10 bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farrah_Golden View Post
    I don't want this to sound harsh, so I hope you don't interpret it as so, but...
    Thanks for your consideration (sincerely). But I'm not struggling with making profit anymore (yay!). When I was struggling with making profit there were a couple of times I allowed guys to bargain me down to 10 quid and both times I felt like I'd let myself down. And as it was, I'm not sure that even by halving my prices I would have made any more money, my hustle just wasn't there.

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    I sometimes work at a club where the dance minimum is $30. So that is what I charge because while I give a nice sensual dance I don't give a full 2-way contact dance. A lot of the girls there charge $50 a dance but allow A LOT of contact.

    I find by charging $30 the guy will all most always buy at least two dances if not more and leave a tip too. Plus I don't have to get groped. I hear so many guys sounding pretty annoyed that girls charge so much and then only do one dance with them unless they are getting an extra dirty dance.

    I say as long as you are charging the minimum do whatever makes you feel comfortable and makes you money. Don't listen to the other girls...they are not your boss. It's only wrong if you are undercharging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cammi View Post
    Thanks for your consideration (sincerely). But I'm not struggling with making profit anymore (yay!). When I was struggling with making profit there were a couple of times I allowed guys to bargain me down to 10 quid and both times I felt like I'd let myself down. And as it was, I'm not sure that even by halving my prices I would have made any more money, my hustle just wasn't there.
    Good for you; I'm glad things are finally picking up. I used to feel a little blow to my self esteem when I would reduce my prices, but it's important to remember that even 10 bucks adds up. Hell, these days I don't even care; money is money and I'll take it.
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