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    I've been dancing for a little while now, I've got over the intimidation of approaching customers and I've managed to establish a standard hustle for customers. But the difficulty I have is closing the deal. Normally I only manage to close 3-5 guys a night, and considering the number of guys I approach that's a very low success rate.

    My general tactic is a friendly approach, basic small talk (where are you from/what do you do/what have you been up to tonight), try to develop from there a little, work in some ideas from S+GR and then I go for the close (something like 'let's go have some fun') after a few minutes. I think what I'm struggling with is transitioning to dance chat for getting them in the mood to say yes and setting myself apart as the one girl worth spending their money on.

    Any advice you girls can give on how I can improve my success rate?

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    Well, it depends on the guy, but I have found being a little slutty or sexual has helped me. When I first started I didn't really do this is, I would just be sweet/friendly and sometimes that would be me friend zoned.

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    Try having less of a need to transition into dance chat, but rather gear your small talk to sexy and dance related topics so it's a natural segue to ask for a dance. If the customer is from out of town, ask him about the strip clubs or hot girls in his town. If he travels a lot, ask where he's had the best lap dance. I'm not saying have 100% of your conversation revolve around lap dances, but lead the conversation so that offering dances isn't a sudden thing.

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    This is a helpful thread for me because I'm super friendly to my custies and as a result I end up sitting with alot of them forever because I don't wanna be "rude" meanwhile other girls are going back for lapdances as me and my customer are sitting chatting while a sip a ladies drink... o.O

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    Quote Originally Posted by SexyLyric View Post
    I don't wanna be "rude"
    Stop thinking of asking for dances as rude. Customers come to the club for the very purpose of spending money on hot girls (ie. getting dances) so if anything, it's rude of you to deny them that right and NOT ask.

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    ^ This.
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    How is your body language when you are chatting? It might not be something that you are "saying" wrong, but rather the way you are delivering the message.
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    ^Good advice.

    I'll admit I judge my customer's body language when talking to him. If I'm not getting messages that he's opened up to me I'll talk to him a little longer in hopes that he'll warm up and I can then ask for a dance.

    I notice if he's making more eye contact, if his body is shifted in my direction, if he has his arm at rest between us (this is a bad sign!), is he mimicking at all, etc.

    Of course my own on the other hand... needs some work.
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    i def think you should be more forward. i used to be just like you and thought i was being rude if i ask for a dance or if i leave when theyre not buying. every guy you sit with you need to ask. even a 'well i really enjoy spending time with you, what do you say we go have some fun out the back' will do.

    these arent 'guys' you meet at a pub or something you have to be polite to. this is your workplace, they are your customers and it helps me when i stop thinking about them as people or guys and just think theyre customers who are here to spend money.

    i second that you should lead with a sexy conversation and whenever the subject strays, always try to bring it back to sexy, dances, women, party etc. its a lot easier to ask when youre already talking about dances that halfway through talking about how i dont know, your new puppy just recovered from the cold or something
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    Quote Originally Posted by SexyLyric View Post
    This is a helpful thread for me because I'm super friendly to my custies and as a result I end up sitting with alot of them forever because I don't wanna be "rude" meanwhile other girls are going back for lapdances as me and my customer are sitting chatting while a sip a ladies drink... o.O
    there are girls like this at the club that I work at. It's really annoying to watch because while you sit there, another girl could be closing the sale with a guy who you aren't.

    it's important to realise also that while you sit with a guy for a long time, it becomes clear to him and the other customers who see you sit for so long that you are passive and think that you are going to just sit instead of have a good time with them.

    how other people respond to you is a really big part of the job. Other guys see how everyone responds to you and that sets a mood already.

    this is your job. You have to make every minute of it worthwhile and sitting around with a customer forever because you don't want to seem rude isn't how you should be doing business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luscious sadie View Post
    there are girls like this at the club that I work at. It's really annoying to watch because while you sit there, another girl could be closing the sale with a guy who you aren't.
    It also encourages guys not to spend. Last night I spoke with a guy who offered me a drink and refused to pay for it. No bother, I excused myself and left.
    I then watched as 3 other dancers went to join him and his 2 friends and sit there chatting for over an hour for free. The customers bought the girls no drinks and no dances but the girls gave them their time for free so they stayed. We have to teach some customers to spend, and sitting with them for free is not how you do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SexyLyric View Post
    This is a helpful thread for me because I'm super friendly to my custies and as a result I end up sitting with alot of them forever because I don't wanna be "rude" meanwhile other girls are going back for lapdances as me and my customer are sitting chatting while a sip a ladies drink... o.O
    Yeah, no bueno. This is a big mistake alot of newbies make. I used to be like this too.. 3 songs without a dance, leave. But always, always, always ask him for a dance before you get up. You never know!
    On a side note, we call girls that sit with customers for long periods of time without getting dances, Parkers. Lol

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    ^ or campers lol
    The other girls are waiting to pounce because you're just taking up space for no reason.
    And honestly sitting with a guy after the camper leaves almost guarantees me a dance because she warmed him up already
    Don't let this be you! lol
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    You will make more money and have them following you to get dances in less time if you stop making small talk and just have an overly sexed up approach. In real life they talk to girls about boring same old things then wonder how long it'll take to get intimate with her. In strip clubs a horny girl in underwear just sorta appears out of the crowd, whispers something naughty, and can't get enough of the guy so she drags him to a corner to expose herself and rub on him. Keep them thinking with the penis and they forget about the wallet. If the guy does seem like more of a talker, test the waters for a song or two, keep the conversation sexy and focused on the point that you want to spend time with him somewhere more private. If he's a champagne customer he will seem interested in doing just that and probably want to talk to you more about that, and if he is someone who just wants to chat your ear off he will tell you that he can't afford that - then you throw it out there that he could get "just a dance for only $$" and then either you do dance or go back to work. If he is an asshole he will pretend to be interested in spending big cash while taking up all your time and then changing his mind. He may even try to get you to sit on his lap or grope you right there on the floor, as he is all about maximizing his freebies. Beware. These guys looooooove fresh faces and will take advantage of any new dancer. I also find that any guy that instantly touches you other than handshake are no good time wasters. So always be closing, always go back to getting naked, intimate, and sexy. Ask him after 3 songs, if he says he does want to spend money and you don't think you would get more from anyone else in the room, stay another 3 songs then ask again. If he hasn't tipped you to keep you there and you're not getting up to go dance for him, tell him you really want to spend some time together but remind him you're gonna have to go work the room. Then if you gotta, excuse yourself, but check on him again later.

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    ^^ Gummybear "I also find that any guy that instantly touches you other than handshake are no good time wasters."

    This is very true and it's why I never allow them to touch me at all on the floor. The guys who try to stroke your face (which is one of the things I hate the most), ask you to sit on their lap, or ask for a preview of the lapdance are total timewasters. If they try to touch me, I gently move their hand and say we can get a little closer/intimate in the back. If they don't go right then I politely (as other custys are watching) tell them I have to get back to work.
    Another sign that the guy is a timewaster is when he doesn't offer to buy you a drink and says, "lets chat some more before we have the dances!" That's the cue to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by katerina29 View Post
    ^^ Gummybear "I also find that any guy that instantly touches you other than handshake are no good time wasters."

    This is very true and it's why I never allow them to touch me at all on the floor. The guys who try to stroke your face (which is one of the things I hate the most), ask you to sit on their lap, or ask for a preview of the lapdance are total timewasters. If they try to touch me, I gently move their hand and say we can get a little closer/intimate in the back. If they don't go right then I politely (as other custys are watching) tell them I have to get back to work.
    Another sign that the guy is a timewaster is when he doesn't offer to buy you a drink and says, "lets chat some more before we have the dances!" That's the cue to leave.
    you sound like me

    I will NOT sit on their lap on the floor, I will move their hands, I say "I do not sit for free" or "we can get to know each other in the back".

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    Quote Originally Posted by katerina29 View Post
    ^^ Gummybear "I also find that any guy that instantly touches you other than handshake are no good time wasters."

    This is very true and it's why I never allow them to touch me at all on the floor.
    Ugh, so true. Last night there was one table of guys in the club at one point. I went up and tried for a quick sale, and only got compliments, bragging about how much money they had, and promises for "later." Yeah, right. I then watched a complete noob spend about 2 hours hanging out with them, mutual stroking of faces all close up (gag), and phone number exchanging within the first half hour. She made $0 off them and fucked up any slight potential for $ there might have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sia View Post
    Ugh, so true. Last night there was one table of guys in the club at one point. I went up and tried for a quick sale, and only got compliments, bragging about how much money they had, and promises for "later." Yeah, right. I then watched a complete noob spend about 2 hours hanging out with them, mutual stroking of faces all close up (gag), and phone number exchanging within the first half hour. She made $0 off them and fucked up any slight potential for $ there might have been.
    Stuff like this is the reason I'm loosing my patience with the industry. What's worse is when a clueless dancer tries to pull me into such a group to hang out. When I'm like, well I'd rather wait for this girl to get them drunk and for her to go sit in the dressing room so I can approach them in a productive way!! I wish there was some sort of training and trial period for newbies.

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    this happened to me a few times. I don't really sit and talk, and the girls all know this (except for the new ones). Because of that, I don't double hustle anyone unless I KNOW that they are a hard hustler like me. When a new girl waves me over and I go up to the guy, I end up ruining it for her because I either snag the guy and we go for dances leaving her maybe maybe not going or I get up and walk away leaving her and the two guys being like "what a bitch".
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