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    I've been reading tons of threads and posts regarding leaks and hackers on cam models personal information, real names, addresses, etc, and the blackmailing/stalking/identity theft that can sometimes go along with it.

    There are, of course, basic things we can do to help protect our identity, but the fact is that we still need to give our information to the websites we're working on...

    I've seen a few threads saying "don't worry about it, streamate/mfc/etc won't give out your information" but I've seen too many other threads talking about information leaks so ultimentely I don't trust anybody 100% with my information.

    For me, there are three main concerns:

    Streamate requires you to list your address (I just emailed them asking if you can use a P.O box), so even if you get a passport without an address, your address is still on there. (There's another thread asking about "virtual" addresses but I know almost nothing about this). So couldn't somebody potentially get ahold of this address? (By the way, if anybody else thinks that using a passport is not helpful for this reason let me know. Because it's going to take forever for me to get one and I don't want to wait that long to start camming).

    The next concern is that if my real name is attached to those files and it's leaked, I don't want somebody to google my legal name and seeing my videos. I'm not against the idea of that happening a few years down the road if I decide to stick with this as a career, but I can't have it happen in the near future.

    Obviously the other concern is stalkers/identity theft, but that takes more time and effort for people to pursue so it's not my main worry.

    So honestly, how often do these "information leaks" happen and how concerned should new cam girls be? Are there certain websites that are more susceptible to this than others? Has it happened to you and what were the consequences?

    Even though anything is possible I'm still trying to do almost everything in my power to help prevent this.

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    I would not be surprised if the equivalent to pornwikileaks happens to cam girls in the near future. Obviously, there's no way to avoid giving out personal information. I mean, its a job, its required. Just like porn starts' medical history & personal information were stored in the AIM databases & subsequently hacked, I would not be surprised if something like that happens with cam girls. Especially if one cam site owner were to get mad at another or something... it would be brutal. I mean, the pornwikileaks thing was caused by a porn agent who was infuriated with a couple other porn agents, and all he had to do was hire a hacker, and every single porn star's personal info (real name, birthdate, address, medical history, etc.) was leaked on the internet for months. He targeted solely the girls whose agents he hated though. And actually all their info is still out there, he just has a new website.

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    This was a terrible time for some of us on one indie site -

    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthr...t+your+privacy

    http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthr...t+your+privacy

    Basically a guy noticed that the site owner left all model IDs open on an open file on the site. It became a clusterfuck as many people not involved just piled onto the hysteria. One instance was it involved another forum that often butts heads with this one posted the IDs for people to gawk at. Way too many people became involved in the hysteria, many who were not effected and the chaos of it meant we just couldnt get organized to file a lawsuit. It was an ugly time, I quit camming temporarily because I was on the site - and it was the last straw for my own burnout.

    In that instance it wasnt even a leak or a hack, a site owner just left an ID file open on his website. Allegedly a few other indie sites were contacted to close/hide certain open files shortly after as well before they were posted, so good came of it. It also launched momentum for people to scale back on being overly open on the site.

    Also, I got an EIN #, read up on 2257 compliance and use my passport for applying to websites. I stopped applying for every site on earth and focused more on the ones that were serving me well.

    I think working for sites that dont have a legal dept or legal counsel is riskier, or sites where it is kind of a friend of a friend. There is less room for error if a site has like a "customer service department" that isnt the same person.

    There is no guarantee, really, but that was an important and harsh lesson in being more careful about where I sign up and spending more time researching sites, their security, their knowledge, etc. ahead of time... and not just chasing whereeever I could find $$.





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    ^I wanted to add that that site promptly resolved the issue and doesnt have any problems to this day to my knowledge. I always liked them, so it was really unfortunate.

    Awhile ago I was contacted by a site owner who was trying to build up recruits for his beta launch of a mega-site. I asked him a few questions and he sent me 2 filled out applications from 2 models he had recently recruited to give me a 'guide' on how to fill out the application. He attached their IDs and their filled out contracts, with SSN and signature. None of it was blurred - because he 'trusted' me and wanted to get me on his site by any means possible.

    As a policy I dont work for that site due to them having an agent casually sending out that info. At that time I found 2 other models who were on the same site as I was who had a particular niche he liked (aka I dont think we werent being recruited because he was dying for our business... just shady) who he also sent out filled model applications to.

    Like many content resellers and stock image users - I buy content for reselling so I get the full 2257 info of the models whose pics/vids I select. Most people who use stock photos get that info as well. So it is important to use a passport or some other form of ID that does not have an address on it if you tend to take professional hi-res photos and videos. Especially if you upload it to a site where you forfeit all copyright, often your photos and videos are packaged up and resold with your full 2257 info... as they should be since they need to be legal if you want to own the license.

    I mean, crappy things happen. You just have to read up as much as you can on new trends in internet privacy, your rights, new software developments, try to read your contracts super carefully... that kind of thing to try to stay ahead as much as you can. Also learning up on SEO can be a lifesaver in case you do have a problem that comes up where youre googleable. It makes you feel less stuck and out of control.

    But what most people dont realize about "security breaches" is they arent usually the result of crafty savvy hackers. Private detectives, hackers, and intelligence officers often just rely on human error and negligence before breaking out the "big guns". Usually the person who is trying to preserve their privacy just makes a series of missteps. Be it geo-tagging on social networking sites, trusting the wrong model, being way too comfortable on twitter or in freechat, signing up for every site you can think of, being overly intoxicated on cam or when you update your blogs, etc.





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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    Also learning up on SEO can be a lifesaver in case you do have a problem that comes up where youre googleable. It makes you feel less stuck and out of control.
    Thanks for your response. I plan on getting an EIN number. Even though I really don't want to wait for two months to get a passport, maybe I should...ugh. I'm just not sure how useful it will be, because if somebody googles my name they could still figure out what area I live in, they could figure out the city pretty easily, if they *really* wanted to stalk me they could probably find me. Do you know if the files included with your 2257 information (for the purposes of pictures, videos) also include the address you give to the website and your EIN?

    How does SEO relate?

    Thanks again for your thoughts, they're very much appreciated.

    Edit: To add to this, would it be a terrible idea to use a birth certificate instead of a passport? I mean, it might be a little weird, but it would be convenient and the city listed is far away anyway.
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    ^It depends. Most of the files I have of models are pre-2004 or so, and agencies didnt do the best jobs collecting information. So some files I have are very thorough - others it is like a student ID. It is more common (at the moment) for those who do adult modeling shoots to have their files packaged up like that though.

    SEO relates insofar as if you search your name and you find your name is on the first page of google as "this girl is naaaaked on the internet!" and you want to bury it. A SEO technique for things you want the internet to push back in your search results is "the solution to pollution is dilution".... like getting your own site, vanilla blog, public social networking sites, ensuring youre using every SEO trick to bury the "naughtiness" with mainstream amazingness so you can more easily deny it is you... or pretend you didnt even know that your name is attached to something XXX.

    It isnt a guarantee that no one will ever find it of course (use Porn WikiLeaks as an example) since the internet sucks that way, but if you have a distinct name and some jerkoff decides to out you, being proactive can help. Especially if you dont plan to be in the adult industry your whole life. If you have a vanilla presence online that is rock solid - a few blemishes are easier to deny then if you have no internet presence besides porn.

    It is like a slight risk reduction approach to the obsessive (and permanent) archiving of the internet age, I guess. It isnt a guarantee, but it helps to feel more empowered - it provides more options then "ho hum ya got naked online, so here is your Scarlet letter for life"

    Or if youre just generally ahead of the curve - like Facebook's constant "well we'll leak all ofyour private info if you dont remember to opt out!" updates. It can feel reassuring to feel more proactive than reactive.

    At least for me it helps, especially since the internet is constantly changing. Growing pains are for afterschool specials, not sex work and Ive had one too many.





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    Ah, I see...so basically, by increasing the number of times your name comes up on a search, the less visible other things will be. This still might be kinda hard because currently I have only a few search results, but if I started a twitter or a blog with my name on it, then all of those would come up in the search....yes, that's a very very good point. Not perfect since people could still see the vidoes (and they might be more popular, too), but there's potential there, at least it wouldn't be so obvious to people doing a quick search.

    Maybe I will use my old id with my old address for now. Not perfect but better than using my current one. Hopefully SM will accept it.

    Thanks again, that's a good thing to keep in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    ^It depends. Most of the files I have of models are pre-2004 or so, and agencies didnt do the best jobs collecting information. So some files I have are very thorough - others it is like a student ID. It is more common (at the moment) for those who do adult modeling shoots to have their files packaged up like that though.

    SEO relates insofar as if you search your name and you find your name is on the first page of google as "this girl is naaaaked on the internet!" and you want to bury it. A SEO technique for things you want the internet to push back in your search results is "the solution to pollution is dilution".... like getting your own site, vanilla blog, public social networking sites, ensuring youre using every SEO trick to bury the "naughtiness" with mainstream amazingness so you can more easily deny it is you... or pretend you didnt even know that your name is attached to something XXX.

    It isnt a guarantee that no one will ever find it of course (use Porn WikiLeaks as an example) since the internet sucks that way, but if you have a distinct name and some jerkoff decides to out you, being proactive can help. Especially if you dont plan to be in the adult industry your whole life. If you have a vanilla presence online that is rock solid - a few blemishes are easier to deny then if you have no internet presence besides porn.

    It is like a slight risk reduction approach to the obsessive (and permanent) archiving of the internet age, I guess. It isnt a guarantee, but it helps to feel more empowered - it provides more options then "ho hum ya got naked online, so here is your Scarlet letter for life"

    Or if youre just generally ahead of the curve - like Facebook's constant "well we'll leak all ofyour private info if you dont remember to opt out!" updates. It can feel reassuring to feel more proactive than reactive.

    At least for me it helps, especially since the internet is constantly changing. Growing pains are for afterschool specials, not sex work and Ive had one too many.
    That's one thing I'm really fortunate about. My real name is the same as a tv character and some aspiring pop star. You have to go pages back to even begin finding stuff relating to me.

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