LOVED that interview. Its funny that when he said "I wouldn't take a piss for free" I thought about the girls I see in free chat taking the computers to piss with them....make them tip BIG first silly girlies!!



LOVED that interview. Its funny that when he said "I wouldn't take a piss for free" I thought about the girls I see in free chat taking the computers to piss with them....make them tip BIG first silly girlies!!
So this other site is running a recorded feed for 4 99 /minute , and most of you slave away LIVE for 1,99/2,99.
I love him! Everybody else may be an asshole but I'm not!
I just posted something similar in a similar thread..
I don't understand why you ladies are so about what the other models are charging. Its flat out silly. Not everyone makes money the same way so do what is best for you. If they are happy with their earnings, then good for them. Other models prices have absolutely nothing to do with my own prices. Think of it as a car lot- there's a section of used cheap cars and a lot full of brand new luxury cars- there is something for everybody. We all have different goals, needs and wants.





I've been a fan of Harlan Ellison since I was a teen. He is a hugely successful writer, and like he says, there is really no publicity value in what they were offering (plus he does not even remotely need the publicity, lol. He's one of the kings if not THE king of scifi, a living legend).
No writer of his caliber should ever be asked to work for free. It's insulting.
Its sort of how I feel about the television stuff on SM. They are offering established successful hosts shows for way way low amounts for what? publicity? When there isn't even an opportunity to promote ourselves and we can not even mention the website? I just do not see the value there.
I'm not even close to being a top host there (yet *wink*) and they offered me a 35 dollar goal when I had already reached 70 of a 100 dollar goal. It covered my window and I clicked and it cancelled my show and I had to start over! I can't help but be a bit insulted.
As far as I'm concerned, 35% of 35 dollars for appearing on television? so i would get $12, lol! wow. They might as well have asked me to work free!
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Hi, i dont know how many of u ladies are aware of the fact that SM blocks access on site from several countries in the world, i know they block countries in Eastern Europe as i cant access other rooms from my own country unless i use a proxy server; even with that i can only watch performers in their free chat in "invisible mode" but cant get in and see their show prices for pvt and exclusive chat, just gold show prices when they take place.
I am not sure how many performers know to do this (use a proxy server located in US for example), therefore they have no idea what everyone is charging due to SM blocking practices. I also know i cant register as a member on SM if my CC is issued by a bank in EE, conclusion is many models are just working blindly and charging what they think is good to get business. I know i asked some of my regulars to look up and tell me what prices models have set on site so i could figure out where i should set mines.
I understand SM try to avoid fraudulent activities comming from these risky countries but on the other hand performers dont have access to certain infoes regarding prices and how other performers conduct business in their rooms therefore these models do what they know and been told is working.
I found this site (SW) by searching on google, wanted to find some infoes about SM as they dont have their own forum and they give soo little infoes on site anyway, as i said, i dont know how many performers know about this site so they have no idea what everyone is charging/ doing or how models run regular gold-shows/ tv gold shows.
So please, before u bash people for their ignorance/ stupidity, whatever, think about what resources to work with they have. SM is making things alot more difficult to certain nationals including the fact they pay us only 30% not 35% like they pay the majority.
Have peace!
Ok Fridays. I'm starting to drink the kool-aid.I'm on AW, so the rates we charge are a bit different (raised 20p rather than a dollar), and the results were interesting. I know one Monday evening isn't the ultimate judge, but so far I DID have longer privates than usual with customers who were easier to please and voiced their satisfaction. Overall it felt like a rather slow night, but when I calculated later I realized I actually had made more than I usually see on a Monday night. Sweet! Keep up the motivational talks ya'll!!!
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Sorry to hear about that, Laurie... In fact, they should have set the goal equal or higher than your average, so they seem to be violating their own rules(((
I love getting TV's, because they increase my traffic like 5 times and I gather like thrice as much as my usual goal (which is 30 to 45). The best things about them are: a) that noone bitches at me for not making the minimum pledge $1, and b) I dont have to jump out of my skin to reach the goal, because I'm getting the compensation anyway.
As for the usual gold shows - I TOTALLY hate them, because they bring the worst type of bossy cheapasses to my room. Doing them gets me my daily goal in less time than doing just pvts, but as many as 7 gold shows in a row gets me burnt out (both physically and emotionally).
Back to the topic: on Streamate, can members see how much the model charges before entering the room/before they actually decide to take her pvt? Wondering if the price can really influence their attitude from the very beginning.





The reason that we care is that it is competition. Girls lowering their prices lowers the bar for EVERYONE.
This happened in a different way with strip clubs - the prices stayed the same (usually because they were mandated by the club, and girls would be fired for undercutting), so short-sighted (and frankly, selfish and stupid) women started doing more and more for that same price. Customers started to expect more and more for that price, and women who held to the same standards that they used to (for the most part) got pushed out. Marginalized. Some incredibly smart saleswomen are able to keep working without contact, but they are the minority. The standard used to be that contact was absolutely forbidden, that leg-spreading wasn't done, that you had to keep one foot on the floor at all times....and now the standard is full-contact, full nude, sometimes completely vertical (the "bed dance").
Given that camgirls already basically offer everything in terms of content, we are seeing something similar, but with lowered rates. The standard has already begun to drop - as the majority lowers rates, gives away cheap/free photos, videos, etc, shows free peeks - this becomes the norm, and SOME women decide that they will make their money by offering themselves for even less. It IS true that guys will often go for the cheapest option, but all that does is allows you to make money in the short term, while slowly killing the freaking industry. Once upon a camming time, girls gave away NOTHING for free, charged more...and guys paid it.
This is why we care so much when girls set their prices unreasonably low, or give everything away for free - they cheapen the industry and affect OUR earnings. Yes, there will always be women who are able to rise above, to keep making good money without having to give in to the lowest common denominator, but it is harder and harder to do that.
We care so much because we are being undercut. I love this industry, and I hate to see it going down the tubes because some women would rather just lower prices than actually put in the work to compete - especially when it really isn't that difficult! It is INCREDIBLY short sighted and selfish - and it doesn't even WORK!!! Lowering rates might get you more customers, but it won't necessarily make you more money - in fact, the higher I raise my rates, the MORE I make for LESS work.
I don't care what different girls have for goals - I don't care if someone just wants to make an extra $50 a week to pay for a massage, or wants to work two nights for a little fun money, and I don't care if someone wants to work to make thousands every night. I DO care when people in my industry undercut me and hurt my industry as a whole.
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Many Roses is very right... When I first started camming on imlive, even after I finished my grace period & could raise my rates, I only raised them up once... I got a lot of privates, burned myself out immediately, and was frustrated that I never truly made the goals I was looking to make...
Lots of time not camming later, I come back to SM and ImLive, and I've raised by rates a ton, but I'm very rarely burnt out and making more overall. I know it's against the low to agree to raise our prices to ridiculous levels, but c'mon, are you REALLY worth less than a dollar a minute for your time? Men go to a club and spend at least $20 on 3 minutes with that girl and she dances and is right in front of them, and the trade off for cam girl vs. stripper is that while we might not be RIGHT there in front of them, we are still in front of them and we're doing EVERYTHING that stripper isn't allowed to do by law, and in most cases, it's bizarre, weird shit I wouldn't do with my boyfriend, yanno? I personally charge 5.99 pvt / 6.99 exclusive and they WILL pay it, especially the fetishists, and they KNOW they have to pay more to get their weird fetish done. When they ask me to lower I just say nope, smile, and in most cases, they still take my pvt or excl anyway. Then afterwards, they still rate me a 5, and in most cases, msg me and come back to see me again, or are repeat customers. If I could choose between a neon and a brand spankin' new BMW... and I HAVE the money for the BMW, but I could buy 7 neons with that same money.... I'm DEFINITELY going with the BMW. Men may not think the way we do, BUT... the men with the money will always choose quality over quantity... Just like the man with a few bills in his pocket will choose the more expensive dancer or the more popular one because she is said to have better quality vs. having a dance with 4 of the shadier, less attractive, less talented dancers, yanno?
Just my two cents on the whole thing. I gotta thank Fridays -- one of the first threads I read when I came here was the raise your rates challenge and right off the bat, I set my prices high and haven't looked back, and I NEVER will.


In the short time I have been camming I have found that the guys who are willing to pay $5.99 - $6.99 (exclusive), they will tend to stay in a session for longer than the guys who can only afford $2.99 (or less) and they tend to be more respectful and prefer role-play as opposed to telling you to corn-hole yourself immediately. The guys who are willing to pay more will actually let you talk to them without tearing off your clothes and "Show pussy BB!" Whereas the cheap guys who can only afford bottom dollar prices will get themselves ready to cum so they can get out of your room as soon as possible. It was the same in strip clubs, the guys who wanted a discount on a lap dance were always the ones who would demand illegal extras or try to rape me. The guys who only pay bottom dollar on cam sites are the ones who want to either cum as fast as they can or they want to see you destroy yourself for thirty cents a minute. Raising your price means highway miles as opposed to stop and go city traffic. If you love getting dressed and undressed and stabbing your vagina to death then offer yourself at bargain basement prices.




This... over and over and over again. I think this whole thread is lame. I mean seriously.. I don't give a shit if someone is charging $1 per minute. Even as an escort, I was never the girl that got pissed because someone was fucking for $50 an hour. That is them. They cater to a different market. To fridays and the rest of the "my shit don't stink" crew: I honestly think it's great that you can make a gazillion dollars a minute but not everyone cam. We're all have unique looks and come in different shapes and sizes so again .. this whole rant is lame and just fyi, this whole thread only makes me want to login to streamate and be that girl charging $1 to piss you biaaatches off. Just saying. Oh btw I currently charge $4.99 on SM and if I ever felt the need to, I would lower it to 1.99 a minute. Tis all.




I feel the exact same way but I'm not going to PUT SOMEONE DOWN just because they can't get more than $2.00 a minute.
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I've personally lowered my rate to $2.00 a minute on a slow day and NONE of you here are better than me - I can tell you That!
This whole thread is about people people down and saying haha I'm better than you. It's not motivational - it's a lame rant.
Which would you rather prefer $150 a day charging $2 a minute or $0 a day charging $6.99 a minute. Yes we can all sit here and put people down but
you top girls know that it takes damn good equipment/internet to even have a chance at the top. A lot of people cannot afford that. Take this from someone that has actually been there and done that.
I get what you ladies are doing here... you're trying to stay in competition. If everyone is charging $5 a minute, you wouldn't have to compete with the girl charging $1.00 a minute. I get it so the threads ranting about "stop being cheap bla bla bla " make sense. However, the way I look at it is.... everyone doesn't have a good quality cam or a new computer and super extreme high speed internet. Also a lot of top girls have invested in costumes, toys...etc. A camgirl that is just starting out cannot compete with that, charge $5 a minute and get it so a lot of you here are full of shit for getting pissed off because someone isn't charging as much as you are.
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.... Yet it kind of sounds like you're putting everyone who agrees with this thread down. Hmm. Just saying. By all means, charge 2.99.... This thread is just trying to better the industry as a whole for EVERYONE, not simply to prove how much better than everyone we are. If every camgirl raised her prices a dollar from whatever they were at, then the cheap guys would have to pay another .35 cents to YOU and every other girl whether she has the best internet or not. Overall, more money for the industry, more money for all of us. I don't see how that's truly a bad idea, but to each their own.




Maybe you did not read my post here
I do not charge $2.99. If there are TWO girls: one girl charges $5.99 a minute and has the best equipment, best cam, best outfits and the best toys and then girl number 2 is the new camgirl charging $5.99 a minute doesn't have the best equipment, or the best cam or the best outfits/toys - who do you think the customer is going to pick? Of course girl number one with the best everything... So I will stick to my opinion that this thread isn't helping everyone - actually stopping a few that aren't as fortunate from making money. And btw you can be an asshole all you want, I can be an asshole too. Those of you that know me know that I'm not cheap. I am also not a full time camgirl but I don't see how these mindless rants are helping anyone.
WOW I feel like such a cam n00b. I'm getting so damn jipped right now and I am worth so much more! Ugh. I started off with a studio (still with them, trying to leave or negotiate) and had no idea what normal rates were etc. They said I should start off at $1.99 to get a lot of people stopping by.. so okay.. not to mention I only get 20%, so that's $0.40/min! I didn't have toys or anything starting off, but I worked my ass off that first night and was at about $150 after a couple hours and they said I was killing it and doing better than anyone has.. but to think I could have (could be) making so much more! I'm just so upset now, I made almost $900 in four days that first week and to think that was only 20%... blahh I was robbed! At least what I feel like.
Anyways just now I was only at $2.99 for private/ 3.99 exclusive (I started end of August), which I donno what I was thinking, that's still really cheap, but I guess I was scared people wouldn't come back. I just tried to raise my rates and the most it would let me raise private or exclusive was to $4.99, so I set that for exclusive and private $3.99. Shouldn't I be able to raise it higher? Do I have to wait or do something or is it maybe a limit the studio set? I'm not sure, but I'd at least like to do 6.99 exclusive.
It really hit me when I got an $80 tip last time and only got $16so hopefully even this little raise will help and I won't have to be on as long..
But this site has been helping me so much, I wish I found it a lot sooner!! Better now than later I guess. Thanks though ladies.. a lot of great advice and insight..
WOW I feel like such a cam n00b. I'm getting so damn jipped right now and I am worth so much more! Ugh. I started off with a studio (still with them, trying to leave or negotiate) and had no idea what normal rates were etc. They said I should start off at $1.99 to get a lot of people stopping by.. so okay.. not to mention I only get 20%, so that's $0.40/min! I didn't have toys or anything starting off, but I worked my ass off that first night and was at about $150 after a couple hours and they said I was killing it and doing better than anyone has.. but to think I could have (could be) making so much more! I'm just so upset now, I made almost $900 in four days that first week and to think that was only 20%... blahh I was robbed! At least what I feel like.
Anyways just now I was only at $2.99 for private/ 3.99 exclusive (I started end of August), which I donno what I was thinking, that's still really cheap, but I guess I was scared people wouldn't come back. I just tried to raise my rates and the most it would let me raise private or exclusive was to $4.99, so I set that for exclusive and private $3.99. Shouldn't I be able to raise it higher? Do I have to wait or do something or is it maybe a limit the studio set? I'm not sure, but I'd at least like to do 6.99 exclusive.
It really hit me when I got an $80 tip last time and only got $16so hopefully even this little raise will help and I won't have to be on as long..
But this site has been helping me so much, I wish I found it a lot sooner!! Better now than later I guess. Thanks though ladies.. a lot of great advice and insight..





^^^ on SM, you have to e-mail them to ask that you can set your rates higher. They will usually just ask you how much higher you want the limit, and change it right away. My limit is currently set at $14.99.
If you are with a studio, I don't know how that will affect you, but you should just be able to e-mail your studio and ask for the rate to be raised.
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Disagree. Completely.
While equipment, toys, outfits, etc can make a difference, they are NOT why guys pick cam girls. Essentially, as long as you have a computer capable of streaming without crashing, and internet speed capable of handling it, you are good to go. And that doesn't mean the BEST computer in the world, or the fastest internet speed possible - it is just the bare minimum requirements to cam. If you don't have that, well, you simply can't cam.
If it was all about toys and lighting, then you wouldn't see high earners who do non-nude shows, who do shows without any toys at all, who just cam in "normal" clothing....and who still make BANK. You wouldn't see average looking girls with average looking lighting in the top few rows - which I often do.
Guys pick girls that make them feel special. That fit their fantasy. That have experience in their fetish, if they have a really specific fetish. Personal interaction is what makes the difference, not having a sex-shop's worth of toys in your camming room, or a computer set up that makes you feel like you could take out Norad.
And telling girls to raise their rates isn't STOPPING them earning money - it gives them a chance to make MORE money!!! What might be stopping girls making money is having someone tell them that unless they have the best, most expensive things ever, they don't deserve to charge more. That if they feel like they are less than perfect, they should keep their rates low, because it is all they can get. "You can't compete, so sell yourself short".
I don't think that one single person in this whole thread, or in the related "raise your rates" thread, has found that they made LESS money after raising their rates. So it is NOT the case that you can make $150 at $2p/min, and $0 at $6.99 p/min. You are making an assumption that that would happen, with absolutely ZERO evidence to support it. In fact, with all these girls sharing stories of raising their rates and making significantly MORE money.
We really aren't putting people down - we are trying to raise them UP. To make them realize that we are ALL worth more than 35% of $2 a minute. I firmly believe that EVERY WOMAN is worth more than that, and deserves to make more than that.
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It's this nonsense about self worth that drives me mad. Are you worth $10 a minute? I assure you I am worth way more than that. There is a big difference between self worth and what the market will allow you to charge for services. I'm going shopping with my SD. Will join the banter later. Have fun on cam.
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