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    In the beginning, it was like four or five of them trying to gang up against me. I don't know if it were all of them being that persistent, or them plus someone else, or just some of them, or just one guy. I work full-time and have a steady schedule, so it's pretty easy to find out when to come bug me. It wasn't before I moved several time zones to the east and started logging in really early in the morning that they left me in peace.
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    If they start bother you, ban them. They are not worth to lower your prices for! If anyone keeps blabbing to me about how beautiful my freckles or my smile... for like 5 min nonstop after I ask them what they wanna do... I know they are just wasting my time, I ban them. Anyone who says I am too expensive, I ban them too. Gotta trim all the cheap asses off the site! You WILL get some good paying customers at higher price. Just give it a try.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnylexie View Post
    That's a long story))) I started off at 0.99 and 1.49 and was that way for a year and a half or more. Then, it took me about a year to raise it to 1.99 and 2.99. I tried to raise it several times after, but all my regulars started boycotting me - not actually just leaving me, but hanging around in my room and telling everyone that I used to charge less and they could get cheaper shows from me by helping my old audience press me into returning to the old rates. Streamate's my only site, and camming is my only job, so I gave up after like 2 weeks of making around $20 a day. My biggest camming victory after 3 and a half years on Streamate was succesfully raising my rates as high as 2.49 and 3.99 =/.
    Why is SM your only site? In the "camming sucks rn" thread I've seen you posting that on some days you have gotten barely any traffic being in the 2nd row of the 1st page (or similarly high placement) which means those mofo's (SM) are not doing their job!!! The reason why you're getting 30-35% instead of 60-70% is because you are paying 30-35% for them to SUPPLY you with traffic. In other words it's not because of your rates - it's because SM sucks at their job (apparently. On some days at least.)

    When someone is not doing what you pay them for, you try to look for fall-back options.

    You are specifically from Russia if I understand correctly, my guess is that internet speeds are pretty decent there. Over the years I have seen several primarily SM models being pretty content with Cams.com as a splitting/back-up site (their "nude chat" option is very conducive for splitting - you just need to remember to set it to "non tipping"). For me personally they didn't work - my niche seems completely undeveloped/underrepresented there. I'm pretty satisfied with IL (their "freechat pausing" option is also conducive for splitting). Other models think of IL what I think of Cams.com i.e. that they're useless, in the end it depends on whether the site has a "culture" for my niche (in my case at least) as a more of a girl next door performer you actually have more options than a heavily niche'd performer like me!

    Which country are you displaying? I know that Russia is on the same drop down as Czech Rep. perhaps think of changing your country? When guys tell me they are thinking of visiting Prague I tell them I'm actually from Warsaw when they say oh I was thinking of going there too, I tell them whoopsie I'm actually from Estonia my bad! :giggle: And so on. It's not very ethical but sorry I can barely roll out of the bed, even if the guy was a total hottie in my town as part of his eurotrip I just don't see myself going thru the hassle PLUS a while ago I was kind of... toying with the idea of perhaps finding a fuck buddy on the internet (with the ulterior motive of using him to shoot clips for c4s hehe) and guess what!? the guys who had actually initiated conversation with me FLAKED out when I said them that I'm DTF. For a lot of them it's just a fantasy - they don't even intend on following thru, or so it seems. So give them the run around after selecting a popular tourist destination EU member EE country.

    I remember with disgust back in my LJ days when I actually disclosed my country once this fat entitled fuck from my country/speaking my language (he gave me a link to some profile or something) hogged up my attention in freechat for I think good 40 minutes I want to just shake my head remembering that - what was I thinking!? yuck yuck yuck

    Also there is no such a thing as regulars! (In Kaydenland at least there isn't ) The whole concept makes me uneasy - when they allude that we might have some "special connection" (bitch, please!) I'm just like: squinting my eyes, faintly smiling and I go "I kinda remember ur username but I don't remember what did we do " If certain "regulars" are disorganizing your room I think it's def worth looking into banning them at least temporarily. I'm not huge on banning (currently have 0 banned) but behavior as you describe must have consequences. Either way someone not spending money at that moment =/= regular.

    Also what kind of accent do you have? The accent may not even be that important 'cause your English is on point. Have you considered telling them that you reside in the US as part of your "hustle" (if those idiots are so preoccupied with your geographic location)? OK, I know this is not ethical but back when I used to use audio they simply wouldn't take "eastern europe" for an answer to the question where I'm from, I guess I have too little accent so after second questioning which state I'm from I just told them I'm from NYC. EVEN if I were in NYC and EVEN if one of them was a total hottie and I was down to hook up I could totally imagine them freaking out at the last moment and flaking out on me. No good deed goes unpunished as they say... not being entirely truthful could work to your advantage. In the end you sell fantasy.

    OK, that's my "two cents"

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    THANK YOU A LOT, LADIES!

    Camming in January might be just just generally slow because of custies making up for their Christmas and New Year expenses, not because of SM being lazy bitches. Need to see if it gets any better in February =/
    I thought about changing my display location - but on my dropdown it doesn't show Czech Republic, just the former Soviet countries which can be only better than RU for not being that well-known. The studio I used to work at uses its own VPN and a dedicated server in the UK - but since I moved to another city they don't give me access to it anymore. I'm really damn pissed seeing the girls from the same studio work on SM under the UK location and do just fine charging 3.99 and 4.99 (and most of them don't even speak). I tried using a paid VPN to change my location to the UK (I do have an accent, but guys from the USA I mostly work with identify it as British), but it sucked for dropping my internet speed almost thrice. I am afraid simulcasting to 2 or more sites can have the same outcome - though splitting my day betweeen them could be worth trying.
    Yet another thing I'm afraid of is that the studio I am registered with might find out about me working elsewhere and cut me off Streamate. Do they allow masks or no-face camming on Cams.com/IL?
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    Have you tried using hotspot shield? It helped me a lot with speed problem. Incantious made a post about hotspot somewhere on here. I'm on iPhone so it's hard to search for it right now.




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    On AW, I charge 1.5/min in group and 2.5/min private. I was going to wait a year before upping my prices, but considering how busy I am I was considering upping my prices. I don't want to be so expensive that I lose customers, but don't want to feel I'm missing out on an income.

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    Here the post for hotspot- http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...Hotspot+shield

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    I'm using it currently (went Elite after I read Incantatious' post actually), and it really helps (not dramatically, but definitely helps). Too bad it doesn't solve the display country problem. When I'm using Hotspot the dropout only shows A1 and the display country remains the same. Got to try a VPN+Hotspot combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnylexie View Post
    THANK YOU A LOT, LADIES!

    Camming in January might be just just generally slow because of custies making up for their Christmas and New Year expenses, not because of SM being lazy bitches. Need to see if it gets any better in February =/
    I thought about changing my display location - but on my dropdown it doesn't show Czech Republic, just the former Soviet countries which can be only better than RU for not being that well-known. The studio I used to work in uses its own VPN and a dedicated server in the UK - but since I moved to another city they don't give me access to it anymore. I'm really damn pissed seeing the girls from the same studio work on SM under the UK location and do just fine charging 3.99 and 4.99 (and most of them don't even speak). I tried using a paid VPN to change my location to the UK (I do have an accent, but guys from the USA I mostly work with identify it as British), but it sucked for dropping my internet speed almost thrice. I am afraid simulcasting to 2 or more sites can have the same outcome - though splitting my day betweeen them could be worth trying.
    Yet another thing I'm afraid of is that the studio I am registered with might find out about me working elsewhere and cut me off Streamate. Do they allow masks or no-face camming on Cams.com/IL?
    Hmm, perhaps Estonia could do? They are the closest to Scandinavia (altho it already is a pretty popular display country for EE's) Well at least if some Russian guy showed up and wanted to hog your attention in freechat you could go "Mina on eestlane, ei vene keel" <-- LMAO that was my terrible, broken attempt at speaking Estonian. Well that's what *I* would do, 'cause IMO not letting local losers eat up your attention is important, ok, unless you have more patience than me or UNLESS they're paying.

    I guess it's not something I would recommend straight off the bat but perhaps if you acquired some back-up options it could be beneficial to restart SM with Daily Pay, in other words, getting away from your current studio and joining a studio that doesn't have any bullshit policies and is actually offering a service in return (i.e., daily payout.)

    I'm not aware of any rule that would forbid not showing face on Cams.com/IL, so yeah, def make accounts with them, neither of them "deactivate" your profiles in case you don't log on. IL's min p/o is $50 and they pay out pretty much on the same day pp ends and cams.com pays out I think a week later (i.e., none of that LJ month waiting bullshit.)

    Actually I should follow my own advice - I'm *kinda* able to justify charging $3.99 I guess... because I would be wee bit self conscious charging more than what all the Americans in my category charge! Idk how are they able to justify charging so low, ok, Midwestern cities actually have cheaper rent than I'm getting here but some of those performers live in crazy expensive places like San Francisco. I'm totally breaching one of the fundamental camgirls' rules (i.e., not sticking your nose in other performers' business) BUT a performer from my category who also happens to be a regular poster on CC recently raised their rate which makes me really happy and hopeful that I could bump mine up - I wouldn't be charging more than Americans I would be charging the same as the highest charging American (ok, maybe after I get a good 3rd backup...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunnylexie View Post
    UP. THEM. NOW. After a year of staying where you are, you will get yourself the cheapest, the pickiest and the most disrespectful audience, thousands of them, and you will be having hard times trying to raise your rates or get those asshats off your back. I am speaking from my own experience.
    Just pointing out here that Beauvoir was talking about £, not $, so her prices aren't dead low (especially when coupled with the fact that we get 65% on Adultwork). They are good average-ish prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlodina View Post
    Just pointing out here that Beauvoir was talking about £, not $, so her prices aren't dead low (especially when coupled with the fact that we get 65% on Adultwork). They are good average-ish prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlodina View Post
    Just pointing out here that Beauvoir was talking about £, not $, so her prices aren't dead low (especially when coupled with the fact that we get 65% on Adultwork). They are good average-ish prices.
    I thought it was 70%?

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    You get 65% on Direct cam. 70% for bookings, movies, pics, sales. Directchat varies, think it's 15p/min you lose plus 30% so the % for that varies depending on what you charge.

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    Ahhh... I never work it out anyway, I just let admin take their fee. x

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    Have you tried gradually raising your rates? I tried to go from $1.99 to $3.99, and the guys threw a fit. Over the last few months I gave myself a raise every time I got a new toy, a better computer, a better cam, etc. The couple of guys that called me out I explained that an extra dollar or two for the show is nothing to them, but it helps me a lot. Do you do anal, certain roleplays, or deepthroat? Do you fit into a small niche? If you offer something special that a lot of girls won't do/ can't satisfy then you MUST charge more than they do. Almost all of my customers know this, and they'll tell me that I deserve more. I have lost a few guys, but they were mostly minute men, and were very demanding. It seems like after 3 years, you should be able to do this and keep most of your regulars.

    It's incredibly slow on SM right now. I've been browsing other rooms while mine is dead. It's almost all beggers. I'm generally pretty laid back and I just try to have fun. I've had to hustle like crazy this week just to keep afloat. A lot of people are sick or taking extra work because their coworkers are sick. A lot of my guys run their own businesses and own property too. They're figuring out their finances before they have to pay taxes. Do you have a mailing list set up? Sometimes when I'm anticipating a slow period, I'll take a few sexy pics and send a mass e-mail. SM only allows you to message so many guys at once, so it takes some time. It usually pays off for me though. I wouldn't lower your rates though. I've tried doing 'specials' a few times and I just get depressed because I lost out on money from the privates I did get.

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    I just wanted to throw it out there that I've asked my guys about their favorite models. Ninety percent of the time, they name girls from eastern Europe (I'm an American). I think you're selling yourself short. Your written English is great, so I'm assuming you speak it well too. People like exotic things. About half of my regulars are European. They always tell me what a beautiful accent I have. I'm sure American men will love your accent as long as you can understand each other. I think European models the guys don't care for are the ones that answer everything with "Good, bb" or "Yes, bb". Those girls can't charge normal rates.

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    I raised my ImLive rate to the max ($5.80/min) today. I was at 3.80, and I know most would say I should've just raised it to 4.80 first, but I was like fuck it. I'm able to get exclusive shows on Streamate for 5.99/min from the decent guys willing to spend, so why not? One guy took me private on ImLive for a measly one minute, but I thought it was cool to have my first private at the max price...lol. I don't really expect much out of ImLive anymore. I still like the site and love not having to do free chat, but the traffic is no where near as good as MFC or SM's.

    Oh, and you know how I'm always saying I hardly ever get chargebacks on ImLive? Well this time, I got tiny chargebacks from 3 different people...smh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABigNerd View Post
    Have you tried gradually raising your rates? I tried to go from $1.99 to $3.99, and the guys threw a fit. Over the last few months I gave myself a raise every time I got a new toy, a better computer, a better cam, etc. The couple of guys that called me out I explained that an extra dollar or two for the show is nothing to them, but it helps me a lot.
    That is what I do. My latest regular raise (2.49 to 2.99) was to get my new laptop and PTZ cam to pay for themselves, actually. I went for the steep 2.99 to 3.99 raise because with 2.99 it was VERY slow.
    Does the toy purchase/service range expanding explanation really work for you? All reaction I get is "But... but havent you bought them to please yourself?" or "This is for you to be getting more pvts, you're already making money off it"))))))))

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    Do you do anal, certain roleplays, or deepthroat? Do you fit into a small niche? If you offer something special that a lot of girls won't do/ can't satisfy then you MUST charge more than they do. Almost all of my customers know this, and they'll tell me that I deserve more. I have lost a few guys, but they were mostly minute men, and were very demanding. It seems like after 3 years, you should be able to do this and keep most of your regulars.
    Speaking of the more or less usual services - I use a variety of toys and bondage gear and do deepthroat, but I don't offer anal or fisting or huge/weird insertions. I am in the "Hairy" niche, meaning I'm all hairy (armpits and legs, too). I cater to some popular fetishes and roleplay scenarios, except the ones tabooed by the site. I also do self-bondage (I'm pretty good at it) and pain-play, except the kinds leaving bruises, cuts or other marks on my body or otherwise making me unable to return to my camming routine that same day.
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    You have great fetish! You definitely need charge more for the special niches you have!




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    ^^So, staying where I am (3.99 and 4.99) is justified. Am I right?
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    ^ Yes, I PROMISE you, guys will pay it. Just give it a chance.

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    Yeah or go higher. hope things will work out for you. I too have slowest week ever, so I didn't cam much as I normally do. But I am gonna cam more later today and tomorrow in the hopes to make at least a payout.




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    I used to have the feeling that I shouldn't go higher than 3.99 or 4.99 because I worried that I might lose a lot of custies but I needed to go higher to make myself feel good. I am not a happy meal, u know? I just went ahead and started at high cuz I didn't have much to lose. Boy, I felt so good and I actually earn times more than I used to earn AND work lesser! Now, I am at the point where I have absolutely NO bad feeling for the guys who cannot afford me. I just ban them. Lol. Guys with no intention to spend more than $10 just need to die in a fire for being on the site. Now, I have way less assholes and beggars in my room ever since!




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    Yesterday was so slow for me for like half a day then I decided the hell with it and raised my rates to the max and see what happens. I did not expect to get any private or exclusive but I was happy to be proven wrong. I'm still on the fence of wether I should lower it or keep things as they are.

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