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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Again, its up to her to seek more compensation if she feels her time with you is preventing her from profiting otherwise. AND, if you feel that you should tip her more for her time because of the benefit to you, then by all means, do so! As is done in restaurants, the 15-18% is a guideline, feel free to give more!
    Appreciate all the insight. I give 25% which comes out to a healthy sum. Think I'll also ask about the tip-out structure, etc just to make sure I'm maximizing what's going into her pocket.

    In my line of work, there's no set way to do business - everyone sorta finds their own path and way of doing things. When I was just starting out, realizing this made all the difference. Sounds like that concept applies to SC's as well. Feels like I'm sort of a mixture of TOO's philosophies of tipping, general guidelines, etc, and what Yoda and Rick believe is a good ROI.

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    25% is a really good tip where I come from, as the house doesn't take a cut and tipping isn't really the culture. So if I got $5 for every $20 dance I did, it would be sweet.

    But I've danced at places were the dances were $25 and the house took a cut, and I didn't seem to have any problem getting the guys to give me $30, I would tip the house, and get to keep the rest.

    Perhaps she is giving you the extra up front time because you ARE a good tipper and a good customer? Plus you seem like a very pleasant fellow. I would rather spend an extra 20-30 mins with a good cust to keep him coming back then to start charging him more all of a sudden and potentially lose the business.

    Because you seem nice, but you don't seem like a little bitch who would just roll over and take that.

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    It really amazes me, $5 tip really is average? I always started as "match the dance cost" (Ie $20) and up from there in VIP.

    Most of the dancers out here (all nude, high contact) would just air dance for $5.

    Great for the customer, and clearly it works for you ladies, but is it really the national average (if there is one?)

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    I should clarify. For me, any dance where the dancer is in the lap most of the time is high contact. I didn't mean to imply any extras or exchanges. If that happens (I'm sure it does, but I'm not looking for that) I imagine it costs more. I just know most dancers in our area will hardly move for less than $20 upfront tip

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    ^^Right, that's what I meant too. If I was working in a club that had $20 nude dances, you bet your ass I would give very very air dances, and I probably wouldn't remove my bottoms till the end or "forget" to remove them. My dancing depends on my comfort with a guy, so when I was working in a club with $140 nude dances I would still wait to remove the bottoms till I felt fine. A $20 tip on top of $20 would definitely be the starting point for contact. But like I said, I probably won't be doing any medium contact dancing (as in, I'll touch you all over besides your dick and you can lightly touch my sides and legs) unless $100 is in my pocket.
    And these (your) numbers sound perfectly reasonable to me. This (my) area is cheap, VERY low median income (average household, 35k, average house 65-80) 90% of the dancers admit they look forward to an office job after college (not a career) and I can't name 10 that make over 50k/yr at it. Many girls barely make tip out many nights or perhaps make a lower-middle management income, but find the flexibility key for their other passions.

    While $20/dance is paltry...the idea of $5 or $10 strikes me as odd.

    Not a judgement on the ladies, moreso on the men or...maybe the club? Not a judgement at all actually, just surprise.

    I just started doing VIPs...Not alot of experience in other markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Perhaps she is giving you the extra up front time because you ARE a good tipper and a good customer? Plus you seem like a very pleasant fellow. I would rather spend an extra 20-30 mins with a good cust to keep him coming back then to start charging him more all of a sudden and potentially lose the business.

    Because you seem nice, but you don't seem like a little bitch who would just roll over and take that.
    When I tipped her the first time we went to the VIP, she asked, "Wait, are you sure?" I asked her what she meant since I thought I might have fucked up the tip. She responded, "So many guys don't tip at all!" I already feel bad for waitresses who bust their asses and don't receive shit from all the Richie Riches around here - and they get to keep their clothes on!

    And again, thank you for the patient insight - regarding the upfront time, I think you're right about what's going on. I'll stick to the status quo since it seems to make us both happy, and will, of course, give her more if the situation warrants it.

    I also appreciate not seeming like a little bitch.

    Trust that I would tip you like crazy if only for the helpful info

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    Its strange. My main fav is always "are you sure" too...even though we know each other a bit too well for that hustle. Not sure if it is a hustle, since all asking that could result in is me saying "oops was that a $20, I meant to give you a $5"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinups4 View Post
    Its strange. My main fav is always "are you sure" too...even though we know each other a bit too well for that hustle. Not sure if it is a hustle, since all asking that could result in is me saying "oops was that a $20, I meant to give you a $5"
    "are you sure" is a hustle in itself. Or, maybe its just expected politeness, akin to pretending to take your wallet out when it comes to pay for the tab on the first date.

    The "oops that was a $20 should have given you a $5" thing is a rare occurrance...although i confess it did happen to me once when I was a baby stripper and the guy gave me a $20 during $10 dance special.

    Over time the smart lady knows who to ask the coy "are you sure" question to and she is going to ask with the safe bets.

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    I'm sure its all a hustle...thats one of the reasons I go to SCs. tYea, I like to be hustled, but I also like being around ladies with the "killer instinct" and still the beauty/grace to make it interesting. i bring my limit...and anything up to that it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    "are you sure" is a hustle in itself. Or, maybe its just expected politeness, akin to pretending to take your wallet out when it comes to pay for the tab on the first date.
    I think it was a bit of both - hustle, politeness, etc. I also think her knee-jerk surprise was genuine, but not because she doesn't regularly receive tips. I have a sneaking suspicion that she thought I was going to leave her high and dry. While I make sure I'm 100% presentable, I don't wear my bank account on my sleeve. I know what I'm worth, I know what I'm going to spend - why do I need to make sure every living soul in a 10 mile radius knows that too? Combine that with the fact that I still look like I just stepped out of freshman orientation somewhere... and well, hell, you get it.

    And despite the amount of wealth flowing through this town, people here are notoriously cheap when it comes to spending on others. Saw a guy go up for an hour VIP - then overheard the dancer vent to the floater that he tipped her $5. WTF? I may be alone here, but I thought that was fucking insulting given how much he dropped on dances.
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    Tipping on top of dances isn't the norm here either...its generally $20 a song and whatever stage tips. Sometimes I've been walking around on the hunt and guys would stop me and give me some money for being hot, and it isn't uncommon for a prospect to have tipped me for a few minutes of my time when he didn't want dances from me. Then of course, there is tipping for time spent in lieu of dances.

    But generally, guys here don't tip above and beyond the $20 and I've just had frustrated and pissed off custies when I asked, because its not the norm and took them outside the comfort level. So I'd rather just hustle more dances out of them than ask for a tip, maybe get $5, then lose out on the rest of the night.

    But when I danced on the east coast I noticed that tipping IS the norm and guys do it, so I adapted quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Sometimes I've been walking around on the hunt and guys would stop me and give me some money for being hot,
    I thought about it, but you were retired....
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    I'm still happy to take donations!

    In fact, when I go to the SC as a customer, guys give me money all the time...not huge stacks mind you, but for some reason, customers love to give me tips and buy my dances. It all goes DIRECTLY back to the strippers, so everyone wins, and my inner jew thanks me for saving the bux!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    Tipping on top of dances isn't the norm here either...its generally $20 a song and whatever stage tips.
    Huh - I just assumed that tipping was kinda the norm everywhere. Now I really am curious about the percentage of guys who actually tip out here.

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    I'm still happy to take donations!
    Good to know!

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    In fact, when I go to the SC as a customer, guys give me money all the time...not huge stacks mind you, but for some reason, customers love to give me tips and buy my dances. It all goes DIRECTLY back to the strippers, so everyone wins, and my inner jew thanks me for saving the bux!
    I hope to be in the great South West in March. If I can make it to your neck of the woods I believe I promised to buy you some dances...
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    Will you be here for SXSW?

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    No, not until the 24th. I'm still waiting for confirmation on the gig. Got my fingers crossed!
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    I tip on top of dances routinely, and most dancers seem genuinely surprised by it....at first. But what sucks is that if I see her again on another visit, now the tip is expected, and the dancer sometimes will get complacent during the dances, assuming that she'll get that tip regardless. Thankfully, it's only happened a few times where I had to walk away from what would have been a long-term (well....long term for me ) commitment to the lady.

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    I tip on top of dances routinely, and most dancers seem genuinely surprised by it....at first. But what sucks is that if I see her again on another visit, now the tip is expected, and the dancer sometimes will get complacent during the dances, assuming that she'll get that tip regardless.
    That absolutely happened to me in my first few months - had a fantastic first and second VIP experience. And then she just got lazy and it became a rip-off - she'd just sit on my lap and talk. I'm fine with sitting and talking, but I'll pay for it solely with tips on the floor, thank you very much. Was outta there faster than you can say "What about my tip?"

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    I have to come to the defense of the stripper in question here. I think a stripper cannot be blamed for expecting the tips if the precedence (of tipping) has been set by the customer. Also, she cannot be expected to continue to gyrate on your lap, songs after songs. Especially, if you are doing a marathon of lap dances. So in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with her sitting on your lap and talking to you for a while after she has lap danced you for hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kessler View Post
    Huh - I just assumed that tipping was kinda the norm everywhere. Now I really am curious about the percentage of guys who actually tip out here.

    LOL, this gets discussed here almost as much as it does on the escort boards. I go to one club where, in addition to visiting my fav, I may also buy dances from two or three other girls before the fav starts her shift. I buy 2 $25 dances and give the girls $60. They are, quite often, pleasantly surprised which leads me to believe it doesn't happen often. Honestly, I do it because I almost never have anything other than 20's and singles on me in the club! Conversely, I don't tip my fav, who I spend $200 on in a 30 minute VIP. I buy her three or four drinks during my stay and dinner is quite common as well. I don't tip any of my favs since I spend between $200 and $300 for VIP with them plus drinks and food. I know there are guys that do, I don't.

    There's an expression in the P4P hobby. "The best tip is a return visit". This sums up my feelings pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Jackal View Post
    I have to come to the defense of the stripper in question here. I think a stripper cannot be blamed for expecting the tips if the precedence (of tipping) has been set by the customer. Also, she cannot be expected to continue to gyrate on your lap, songs after songs. Especially, if you are doing a marathon of lap dances. So in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with her sitting on your lap and talking to you for a while after she has lap danced you for hours.
    It was only 30 minutes, actually. And by the 3rd visit, it was literally down to 5-10 min of actual dancing. She wasn't THAT tired

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Jackal View Post
    I have to come to the defense of the stripper in question here. I think a stripper cannot be blamed for expecting the tips if the precedence (of tipping) has been set by the customer. Also, she cannot be expected to continue to gyrate on your lap, songs after songs. Especially, if you are doing a marathon of lap dances. So in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with her sitting on your lap and talking to you for a while after she has lap danced you for hours.

    I don't think any of us would have an issue with a dancer sitting on our laps after a rigorous round of lapdances. It would be quite nice, in fact. What we take issue with are those complacent dancers that will try and sit on your lap all throughout a VIP session (or two) INSTEAD of actually dancing. Or if they make a half-ass effort to dance a half a song, then sit and chit-chat with you for the next half hour.
    Unless that kind of GFE is what the customer is looking for and has requested, it is complete complacency on the part of the dancer and usually will not be tolerated for very long from customers that are expecting actual DANCING during their lapdances.

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    At one of the clubs I work at table dances cost $10 a song. Songs are usually about 3 mins long. 60 mins divided by 3 = 20 songs per hour. That comes to $200 per hour. If you're going to be tying up my time with chit-chat and not buying dances, for an hour, you owe me $200 for my time. Simple. If you tie up my time for a quarter hour, you owe me $50!

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