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    Dizzy The unspoken rules of Showgirls.. surely there must be some?

    I have got the answer I was looking for ladies... there is NO unspoken rules amongst Strippers when it comes to Stage shows..!!! thankyou Although I will always respect other Performers and their creations, I will not expect others to do so in return and just except that its going to happen from time to time.

    Ok so we have now established that.... I have another question...

    Are there any unspoken rules in general that still exists in SC? Maybe I can use the words "Stripper Etiquette"... There must still be rules amongst girls in clubs that are universal no matter what country your in they still apply





    I think one of my favourite parts of my dancing career is the creative side of putting together an amazing stage show. All the time effort and research that girls put in really does pay off on stage and I always marvel and respect new ideas that other girls make. As professional show girls we always strive to come up with original ideas that quite often becomes our signature act.
    My problem is when inexperienced girls wanting to do shows think that our ideas and creations are public property… They are not!!!! Who ever said imitation is a form of flattery was very wrong. First getting the idea and being inspired is like planting a seed. Choosing music, creating and designing a costume and all the props used also choreography. I mean all these details are taken into account and can take a long time to produce. We don't just pull these things out of thin air.
    After my show on the weekend this new girl comes bouncing up saying "wow I love your show what are these called and where did you get them?" and I said Oh thankyou yes you get these here and there. Anyway she said oh great im going to use them in my show at the other club i work at ( in another state so really I shouldnt care, but at the time i did) . Then off she goes and I m thinking... hang on a minute WTF was she seriously going to rip off my act? ( i am not talking about a pole trick, a bum wiggle or a certain way of dance ok im talking about a big colourful prop!!)
    Does everybody agree that there is an unspoken rule amongst professional show girls that you never pinch another girls act? I use the same costume designer that other girls use and i always love hearing of new shows being performed at other clubs or on the circuit. Some girls come up with truly amazing and original ideas that i admire and respect but never in my wildest dreams would i go and copy it. Be inspired by music, art, movies or theatre to create your own original act that stands out as your own. The only time it is ok to take another girls act is when A. she retires and gives it to you or B. she gives you permission to use it. So this has left me in an awkward situation as I am going to have to tell this girl she cant use my act in another club. I take pride in my work and stripping is my career my bread and butter, its not something i do on the side for extra cash.
    I have just joined Stripper Web to get the points of views from other dancers on this topic as i feel ripped off and cheated that this girl is now going to run off and use my ideas.

    I watched this documentary not long a go where a performer quoted Oscar Wilde saying " just be yourself, every one else is taken". I love it!!


    Thankyou for your replies. Um.... no im not delusional or crazy, lol. Im from Australia and I guess we take our shows pretty seriously and sometimes a lot of money and time goes into them. We also have a lot of great competitions in our country too with lots of titles to be won. No it is not your common nurse/cop/maid.... bubble bath/mouse/fire/wax/oil/cream, but anyway it doesn't matter... I guess I just got to get over it and move on to what I'll do next and treat it as no big deal. Again thanks for your points of views and i actually do feel better about it all....
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    The only thing that I can tell you is if you do it, no matter what it is, it's probably been done before. I'm actually very flattered when I see girls copying off of my style, but that's just me personally. I have a sort of rockabilly meets pinup look and love to dance to old school punk. On the weekends, I often do a dominatrix act, in which I put my whip in my mouth and bust out a kickass pole trick....all of these are totally meaningful to me and make me unique. But I don't own them. Even if I created a carefully choreographed routine to very different music, which I don't, I wouldn't be surprised if some girls picked up a few things from me.

    I guess the most constructive thing you could do would be to politely ask girls not to directly imitate your routine. If they are vaguely similar in dress or performance, don't even bother worrying about it. But if they're actually watching you and using your act, I don't see any harm in approaching them about it.

    And yes, to answer your question, I believe an unspoken rule exists. Every dancer has a signature and it's not ok to rip it off. Does it happen? Absolutely. Is it a super big deal? Ehhh...probably not.
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    Most people tend to imitate others, monkeys do it too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hynDOZFlSYY

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    I'm glad I don't have a "signature" that can be ripped off. All I do is just roll around onstage, grab my tits and act like an "anime fuckpuppet" as one co worker put it.

    As far as I'm concerned people are welcome to imitate me. My shit isn't copyrighted and I doubt if anyone else's "signatures" are either.

    Is it annoying when people can't come up with anything original? Yeah. Were they deliberately seeking you out to sabotage your act? Probably not.

    I hate it when some people are so full of themselves they think that there is a conspiracy to steal "their" moves. Get over yourselves already. Unless the bitch is sitting there with a camera videotaping the whole thing move for move there's no reason to lose sleep over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    I just got confronted by a girl I used to work with who told me I was stealing her entire stage show, claiming that I would specifically watch her show each time she went onstage and copy it when I went onstage. The truth was, I didn't really care for her show, her show was really generic (she did the same moves as everyone else, and then tried to say those were "her" moves...you can't own a fucking leg hang!!!!!), and I was too busy actually working to watch her show. I really don't buy into the whole "signature" thing to the point that you can yell at other girls for copying you in the regular SC setting.
    I worked with a girl like this. We traveled together and she was convinced that I was trying to "be her"

    the really annoying part is that she was completely crazy and totally deluded. I am so amazingly different from her in SUCH great ways and yet she's still telling people that I'm trying to be her. She actually had the nerve to come up to me one day after stage and say "you know that move where you have your back arched with your ass against the pole and do a hairflip? Yeah, you can stop doing that now. I have never seen anyone else do that move... it's mine!"

    UM EXCUSE ME?! If you search "stripper" in google image search that comes up! I see it on guys' t-shirts when they come into the club. Bitch is crazy!
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    Default Re: The unspoken rules of Showgirls

    Empiricism claims that we are incapable of innate ideas. I believe this is true for SCs.

    Chanel bags are reproduced in China, patterns are stolen on Etsy, the world is just keepin' up with the Joneses any way they can. Take it as a compliment at best and keep working.

    Oh and if you want to avoid someone copying your shit, don't tell them where you buy all of your props.... what else did you think they were going to do with the information?

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    I'm a little confused as to whether you're just talking about a slightly more elaborate stage show at a SC or if you do some type of burlesque-style show with very specific choreography. If it's the second, I understand not wanting her to steal the exact routine and telling her you would appreciate if she didn't copy it move-for-move. But if it's just a regular SC stage-show, I agree with the others. Girls are gonna copy, and I doubt anything that you do is purely original to you anyway. You had to learn your moves from somewhere, right? It's great to take moves and string them together in a unique way, but you can't honestly expect girls not to draw inspiration.

    Especially since what you're talking about, it seems the girl didn't say she was going to copy your exact routine - she asked where you got props and then said "Cool! I'm gonna use those at my other club during my sets!" If these are public items and not things you made yourself, there are girls all over the state and country also using the same exact props as you. They're not original property. Just because you haven't had to specifically see the other girls who are using "your" props doesn't mean they aren't out there - why should it be any different just because it's a girl you know since she'll be at a completely different club?

    Nothing is truly that original - trust me. I used to think about how cool it would be to bring my dance hoop into the club and do a set with that, but I didn't want to leave my hoop out in the open (it didn't collapse to fit in my locker). Not even 2 months later, a new girl started who talked about the same exact idea - I chimed in that I had thought about it too, and she gave me a really dirty look like she was pissed that she wasn't the first to think about it. A few weeks later, she did bring in her hoop and danced with it. Despite the fact that I was working there before her (and therefore, came up with the idea before her), you know that if I went up there with my hoop after that, people would just look at me as a copy-cat. Perception of "whose idea it was" basically just boils down to who actually did it first - trust me, there were girls long before you who used the same props, you just didn't know it. This girl isn't going to be stealing your thunder at your club, so just let her have her moment of glory at the other club that you're not associated with.
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    I was one of those dancers who choreographed a routine including outfits and hated when others copied it. So in that respect I understand. However, some routines are common and I can't get that mad in some cases, for instance the schoolgirl routine. If a particular routine is "yours" in a club then the other dancers should respect it.

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    this is kinda ridiculous. as long as she's not doing it in your club then who gives a shit what she's doing elsewhere? all we're doing is getting our tits out for guys, we really shouldn't take it so seriously. when i see a girl use one of my moves or dance to indie music (cause that's my thing) i shake my head, mutter 'bitch' under my breath then laugh and get over it. even if someone did my exact stage set move for move i don't think i'd really care.

    if it turns out you actually are talking about some kind of burlesque thing then i'll take all of that back, it's a lot more important there

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    well, i laughed.

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    Personally, I think it's cool when other dancers copy me because then my club will be full of awesome dancers! HA, was that a bit egotistical? Yes, but I'm not going to be modest about something that I've spent months or even YEARS practicing and perfecting.

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    Default Re: The unspoken rules of Showgirls

    Are you a stripper or a burlesque performer? I've never heard of or seen stage props being put all out like that on a strip club stage. Then again, it's more of a regional thing and not common where I'm at.

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    I think its a form of flattery. I used to imitate my favorite stage dancers when I first started dancing, and so when I see someone doing something that is an imitation of something that I regularly do on stage, it makes me think that the particular move I'm doing is impressive enough in their eyes to be copied. The irony in all of this is that my stageshow is made up of a bunch of moves that I stole/imitated from long past coworkers whos stageshows or particular moves inspired me...and you come to realize that those very girls that you copied probably did the same thing, and now the girls copying you are becoming part of that cycle.

    So one must realize conclusively that nothing is original. Human behavior is all imitation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Hahaha maybe it's the same girl! The girl I worked with told me that I was stealing "everything" so I asked her to give me examples. "The way you walk around the pole, the way you get up from the ground..." I was like..................................you have GOT to be joking right now. She also said I did the same moves (we actually did completely different tricks) in the same order lol. I actually went out of my way to switch up my stage show so I wouldn't get bored with it!!!!! Apparently there was another girl at the club who worked with her before I did who dyed her hair the most basic shade of brown and she flipped out on her for copying her look. lol THIS is what happens when some girls aren't busy enough at work...they have time to come up with this bullshit.
    Um i'm not talking about simple things like this... lol. I think I have been completely taken out of context. Im talking about professional shows that can be taken out of the strip clubs and also performed at Cabaret restaurants and burlesque shows. I chose to post this at stripper web because i didnt want to talk about it with other girls at work because it would creative negativity which is what i dont want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    Hahaha maybe it's the same girl! The girl I worked with told me that I was stealing "everything" so I asked her to give me examples. "The way you walk around the pole, the way you get up from the ground..." I was like..................................you have GOT to be joking right now. She also said I did the same moves (we actually did completely different tricks) in the same order lol. I actually went out of my way to switch up my stage show so I wouldn't get bored with it!!!!! Apparently there was another girl at the club who worked with her before I did who dyed her hair the most basic shade of brown and she flipped out on her for copying her look. lol THIS is what happens when some girls aren't busy enough at work...they have time to come up with this bullshit.
    oh for sure! This girl thought that I was trying to be her because she would buy a white tank top and I would too because that's what you do in the summer! Or she would say that I was stealing her look but she gave me the makeover that put me there?

    she's not in Florida anymore. Funny thing is she's back where she was when we met - her stuff in storage and her living in a dancer house. I am with the best boyfriend ever in a sweet apartment that I filled with 17k worth of awesome stuff. I live an amazing life full of people who I love and who love me. Also, after we stopped traveling together, I started making the same money that she does and I don't even put my fingers in my pussy or rip guys off to get there!

    go figure!

    Um i'm not talking about simple things like this... lol. I think I have been completely taken out of context. Im talking about professional shows that can be taken out of the strip clubs and also performed at Cabaret restaurants and burlesque shows. I chose to post this at stripper web because i didnt want to talk about it with other girls at work because it would creative negativity which is what i dont want.
    in all fairness, bringing it to SW without really explaining the full situation puts us in a position where the advice that we give you is completely different than what you were expecting.
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    Nothing is funnier than a stripper that things her stage performance constitutes as intellectual property!

    I'm sure everyone has looked at another girl when they were a new dancer to get ideas as to what they should be doing on stage. All ideas are circumvented through every strip club so there is no "claims" you can make about a particular aesthetic style, stage trick, or routine of movement. It's best you focus on what you're comfortable with and what presents you in the most positive light. The other girls will do the same once they catch their barrings.

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    u make $$$$ on stage?! what state do u live in? y do strip clubs even still have stages. guys don't care about that anyways. if you focus on selling lapdances and vip you will have enough $$$$ not to care about stage anyways. maybe you could try a career as a broadway dancer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelee View Post
    u make $$$$ on stage?! what state do u live in? y do strip clubs even still have stages. guys don't care about that anyways. if you focus on selling lapdances and vip you will have enough $$$$ not to care about stage anyways. maybe you could try a career as a broadway dancer?
    I usually make at least a quick 20 bucks on stage, if not more.....by the end of the night, I usually have 100 or so just from stage. Does your club have limited contact? If you can't touch the custies during a stage set, your tips will be limited. Also, there's a talent for getting stage tips...making lots of eye contact, being seductive, etc. Or sometimes reading a crowd....a group of older gentleman would prefer to see a classy, sensually moving lady. A crowd of college guys go crazy over pole tricks, booty popping, etc. Like anything else, just gotta know what you're doing......but yeah, you should expect to make at least a little bit on stage
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    Oh, and don't forget, stage is your chance to promote yourself!!!! It shows the guys what you've got and it gives you a chance to see who's interested in you, i.e whoever comes up to tip you.
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    I used to hate stage and there are still some times that I do. HOWEVER! I have started to enjoy it more recently and I think it's untrue to say that guys don't care about stage. It is a main draw in a lot of places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelee View Post
    u make $$$$ on stage?! what state do u live in? y do strip clubs even still have stages. guys don't care about that anyways. if you focus on selling lapdances and vip you will have enough $$$$ not to care about stage anyways. maybe you could try a career as a broadway dancer?
    I think this depends on where you are The clubs are so stage focused out here that we actually get butthurt on weekends when we aren't going up every hour, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    I just got confronted by a girl I used to work with who told me I was stealing her entire stage show, claiming that I would specifically watch her show each time she went onstage and copy it when I went onstage. The truth was, I didn't really care for her show, her show was really generic
    LOL that happened to me before twice. But they didn't say I was stealing their moves, they both just said I was "watching" them on stage. Both were batshit crazy though and did tons of drugs multiple times a night.

    The first girl freaked out on me at the end of the night on one of my first nights at Club A, and was yelling in my face "did I have a problem with her" & that it was "creepy" that I was "staring at her" and then she kept repeatedly asking if it was because her nipples are brown, and that she is biracial & that's why they are brown. Wtf, I never mentioned anything about race. lol. She was a nice girl though, she was just really insecure & emotionally unstable.

    Another girl months later at Club B (you might know this girl) freaked out one day after I got off stage and was like "I KNOW you were staring at me while I was on stage!! I KNOW you watched my stage set!!" LOL well DUH, you were RIGHT BEFORE ME on stage & I was going on directly after you, waiting at the backstage entrance to go on! Where am I going to look? The dark wall? Or perhaps out at the stage & crowd? But seriously, who the fuck cares that much... she obviously cared more about me than I cared about her. She had a weird complex though. lol crazies

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    people need to get over themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NREXM View Post
    Nothing is funnier than a stripper that things her stage performance constitutes as intellectual property!

    I'm sure everyone has looked at another girl when they were a new dancer to get ideas as to what they should be doing on stage. All ideas are circumvented through every strip club so there is no "claims" you can make about a particular aesthetic style, stage trick, or routine of movement. It's best you focus on what you're comfortable with and what presents you in the most positive light. The other girls will do the same once they catch their barrings.
    We are not talking about a simple average table set you do on a pole at work. We are talking about a STAGE we are talking about professional shows, lol. Believe me when you put all your hard work and money into a show as a headliner and to use in competitions to win you titles, you wont be thinking its funny when a stripper claims her right to copy it!!! Surely you can understand how a performer would find that frustrating even though there is nothing she can do about it.

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