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    ^^ Not shocking to me either. Temptations, Stilettos and Lipstixxx are probably the worst family of clubs I've ever seen. I never even set foor in there though a GF of mine did try to get me to go. Forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    I still wanna hear Miami stories! ^^^
    where to begin? basically if you tell them you don't fuck in CR, they all look at you like you're retarded. It's not normal not to do that here. One girl I worked with charged 50$ to fuck and she always said how horny she was all the time and how much she liked doing it anyways. Other girls undercut her with $20. I've seen obvious fingering on the floor and girls fucking raw for $40. That was all in one club, but since I worked in basically every club down there, it's all the same. Other clubs aren't better.
    I constantly see gross shit like girls touching their pussy and licking their hands on stage and what not..

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    ^^ I saw that for the first time the other day and it shocked the shit out of me!! Girl sat against the pole, spread her legs, looked down like she was examining her crotch, licked her fingers then rubbed her pussy- then stuck them back in her mouth.

    My eyes almost fell out of my head. I'm so glad we do such frequent stage maintenance because that seriously grossed me out.

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    ^ theres a girl at my club who does that except other than sticking the finger back in her mouth after rubbing her pussy she stuck it in the custys.

    i dont know, if i worked at miami id probably retire, move or kill myself. or rely on the good ol bait n switch
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    Quote Originally Posted by anouk.oui View Post
    ^ theres a girl at my club who does that except other than sticking the finger back in her mouth after rubbing her pussy she stuck it in the custys.
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    ^ ditto sickface
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    Hey Annouk Oui, Are you in Sydney? which club did this happen at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anouk.oui View Post
    ^ ditto sickface
    = I have seen this done in our club and its just grosses me out completely. I have even seen girls stick more than one finger in another girls pussy then wipe it all over a cust mouth, blaahhh imagine kissing that customer on the cheek after that, lol, gross!
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    A friend of mine "V" dances at one of the more "upscale" clubs less known for explicit extras. She was in the VIP area with a couple custies and two other dancers. One dancer ended up licking the other one's pussy, and then grabbed V's drink and TOOK A SIP OUT OF IT. So, so fucking nasty.

    I really wish I had decided to dance back in the late 90s/early 2000s. By all accounts, this kind of shit was not nearly as common back then. I guess that's where the whole "getting dumber" thing comes in... dumber and nastier, IMO.
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    ^ gross! sometimes I start to wonder about what we could potentially be contaminated with... it's a different value system though and this might be completely normal for them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalllia View Post
    A friend of mine "V" dances at one of the more "upscale" clubs less known for explicit extras. She was in the VIP area with a couple custies and two other dancers. One dancer ended up licking the other one's pussy, and then grabbed V's drink and TOOK A SIP OUT OF IT. So, so fucking nasty.

    I really wish I had decided to dance back in the late 90s/early 2000s. By all accounts, this kind of shit was not nearly as common back then. I guess that's where the whole "getting dumber" thing comes in... dumber and nastier, IMO.
    Fact.

    I started in 2000, and didn't start noticing this shit until around 2007. 2008 is when it got really bad, IMO.

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    dammit i turned legal in 07 lol
    didnt even have a fighting chance
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    Quote Originally Posted by anouk.oui View Post
    ^ theres a girl at my club who does that except other than sticking the finger back in her mouth after rubbing her pussy she stuck it in the custys.

    i dont know, if i worked at miami id probably retire, move or kill myself. or rely on the good ol bait n switch
    I worked in Miami ONCE for about 3 days to help pay for the trip down there for an industry convention about 5 years ago, and it was so nasty back then, when people ask if I'm ever working down there, I basically tell them hell no...NEVER wanna work down there again.
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    I really wish I had decided to dance back in the late 90s/early 2000s. By all accounts, this kind of shit was not nearly as common back then. I guess that's where the whole "getting dumber" thing comes in... dumber and nastier, IMO.
    Personal observations ...

    - prior to the 9/11/2001 induced economic downturn, with the exception of a handful of so-called strip clubs that specialized in 'extras', dancers offering sex acts of any sort in 'mainstream' strip clubs was never an issue. It simply wasn't done.

    - after the 2001 downturn, some degree of 'extras' started creeping into many clubs ... but typically those 'extras' did not involve penetration or actual sex acts. Annoying for 'clean' dancers, but still manageable

    - after the housing market and the economy started 'falling out of bed' in 2006 / 2007, customer expectations led to another ratcheting up of the 'extras' level. This is when the 'clean' dancers started to encounter noticeable difficulties competing against other dancers who were more willing to 'keep the customers happy'.

    - when the economy seriously tanked in 2008, with the exception of a few clubs who continued to put principle before profits, concerns for financial survival on the part of clubowners, an influx of rookie 'dancers' who were basically forced to be financially successful in our industry as a last resort ( i.e. straight job opportunities began closing ), and increasing 'extras' expectations by customers who knew that if one dancer in any particular club refused to provide 'extras' that another dancer surely would, began to cause MAJOR difficulties for 'clean' dancers. Another ratcheting up of 'extras' expectations resulted in penetration and actual sex acts becoming increasingly common. It was at this point that I decided to retire from live dancing altogether.

    - with persistently high unemployment levels, with zero increase in the paychecks of most club customers, and with more and more girls becoming more and more financially 'desparate', over the course of the last couple of years de-facto 'price wars' have developed over 'extras'. The BBBJ that might have cost a club customer $500 in 2002 or $200 in 2008 can now be purchased for $50 !!! In conventional economic terms, this constitutes a 'race to the bottom', i.e. a scenario where more and more girls are attempting to compete for a smaller and smaller pool of 'discretionary' customer dollars by offering more and more 'bang for the buck' to those customers.

    As to girls choosing to offer 'extras' being DUMB, that's clearly a matter of perspective. From one viewpoint, if the girls don't have problems with the concept of sex for money, this is guaranteed money ! From another viewpoint, the industry which was comprised of respected performers providing a 'fantasy' that I originally joined has, with rare exceptions, now transitioned to an industry primarily comprised of of poorly respected girls providing actual sex for money. Personally speaking, this NEW industry is not something that I can be a part of.

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    ^^^ THIS! I couldn't have put it any better Melonie. Once again, you are spot on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post

    As to girls choosing to offer 'extras' being DUMB, that's clearly a matter of perspective. From one viewpoint, if the girls don't have problems with the concept of sex for money, this is guaranteed money ! From another viewpoint, the industry which was comprised of respected performers providing a 'fantasy' that I originally joined has, with rare exceptions, now transitioned to an industry primarily comprised of of poorly respected girls providing actual sex for money. Personally speaking, this NEW industry is not something that I can be a part of.
    Thanks for your insights about the prevalence of extras in clubs, Melonie.

    I think the majority of this thread is calling extras girls out for being "dumb" not because they do sex acts for money (which I personally don't have issue with, but wish it would stay out of the club), but because they do sex acts for the same amount of money that the rest of us charge for a regular dance. In other words, extra services for little to no extra pay.
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    ehhh maybe its different in black clubs but the extra girls in my club ALWAYS make money and drive luxury cars. One girl in particular, never makes less than $1,000 and I know she isnt exagerrating her income either

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    Annouk, Which club in Sydney are you refering to?
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    Annouk, Which club in Sydney are you refering to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Personal observations ...

    - prior to the 9/11/2001 induced economic downturn, with the exception of a handful of so-called strip clubs that specialized in 'extras', dancers offering sex acts of any sort in 'mainstream' strip clubs was never an issue. It simply wasn't done.


    - after the 2001 downturn, some degree of 'extras' started creeping into many clubs ... but typically those 'extras' did not involve penetration or actual sex acts. Annoying for 'clean' dancers, but still manageable

    - after the housing market and the economy started 'falling out of bed' in 2006 / 2007, customer expectations led to another ratcheting up of the 'extras' level. This is when the 'clean' dancers started to encounter noticeable difficulties competing against other dancers who were more willing to 'keep the customers happy'.

    - when the economy seriously tanked in 2008, with the exception of a few clubs who continued to put principle before profits, concerns for financial survival on the part of clubowners, an influx of rookie 'dancers' who were basically forced to be financially successful in our industry as a last resort ( i.e. straight job opportunities began closing ), and increasing 'extras' expectations by customers who knew that if one dancer in any particular club refused to provide 'extras' that another dancer surely would, began to cause MAJOR difficulties for 'clean' dancers. Another ratcheting up of 'extras' expectations resulted in penetration and actual sex acts becoming increasingly common. It was at this point that I decided to retire from live dancing altogether.

    - with persistently high unemployment levels, with zero increase in the paychecks of most club customers, and with more and more girls becoming more and more financially 'desparate', over the course of the last couple of years de-facto 'price wars' have developed over 'extras'. The BBBJ that might have cost a club customer $500 in 2002 or $200 in 2008 can now be purchased for $50 !!! In conventional economic terms, this constitutes a 'race to the bottom', i.e. a scenario where more and more girls are attempting to compete for a smaller and smaller pool of 'discretionary' customer dollars by offering more and more 'bang for the buck' to those customers.

    As to girls choosing to offer 'extras' being DUMB, that's clearly a matter of perspective. From one viewpoint, if the girls don't have problems with the concept of sex for money, this is guaranteed money ! From another viewpoint, the industry which was comprised of respected performers providing a 'fantasy' that I originally joined has, with rare exceptions, now transitioned to an industry primarily comprised of of poorly respected girls providing actual sex for money. Personally speaking, this NEW industry is not something that I can be a part of.

    I don't doubt that you are knowledgeable on this, but unfortunately I find it sooo hard to imagine...

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    Meh, we can only work with the conditions that club management allow. If I dwell on extra girls it only makes me feel negative.
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    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    Even though there is an economic downturn extra girls have gotten dumber. Mainly because men will still pay. So cheaper prices will get many men but typically it wouldn't be men that most would even want to deal with. Which in a way is why that comment above about one girl who gets $1000 rings true. Guys will pay or they will do without. Sex at a strip club is not a necessity because those same men can higher escorts. There will be always someone that will complain about price. That's the same guy complaining that his coupon didn't work for .50 off of ketchup. The issue is that either he knows what he has in his pocket or he feels he can haggle a woman to give more for less. Generally those types come in the club when it's dead. You're there not making anything and the extras guy goes in. He's no fool. He knows it's dead which is why he goes in. He's no different than a man going in towards the end of the month to buy a car. He knows that the dealership didn't meet their quota and needs to move vehicles fast. So they'll start out high and then he'll tell them he'll walk if he doesn't get a ridiculous amount off the vehicle. Some will let him walk and others will give him the car. It really comes down to : how hard are you hurting for a buck?

    Also looks don't matter in this game, if anything I think it hurts some women. If they are attractive and the guy is ugly then he's going to try even harder to get you to crack. It's a high for him to break the pretty girl and show her that's she nothing but another cheap ugly whore. Fucked up? Of course but you already know that alot of these guys that come in are already angry and bitter. Just reading that thread on what some of them say to dancers says it all.

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