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    Default Camming from another country/visa issues.

    Hi everyone,

    I searched the forum but couldn't turn up an answer for this one;

    I currently live in the United States but I don't have a work visa and I'm not a permanent resident. Can I still cam here?
    I imagine that I would still need to pay tax on my earnings, right? How does it work?
    I don't want any legal drama, but I really need money.

    Can anyone help?

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    Yes, you can still work here. What's your legal status? Do you have a Social Security Number?
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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    Yes I have a SSN but I have a visa only to work for my current company. Its not open to work anywhere else... I'm worried that includes the internet.

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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    Your best bet is to talk to an immigration lawyer about the definitions of your visa restrictions.

    I would assume that if you are working through a sponsorship visa, you cannot work for another company, even online.

    However, this is something that I would love to know!!

    I know that if you are, say, vacationing, and work while you are there, but you are not resident and you are paying taxes in your country of residence, then that is FINE. However, if you are currently resident in the US (not a permanent resident, just currently residing there as far as taxes are concerned) then you could run into problems.

    Immigration lawyers are worth every penny when it comes to the US!!
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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    you're probably OK if you actually 'work' for a foreign based webcam host like SM. If you work for a US based webcam host, that US based webcam host will report your webcam earnings to the US gov't. The resulting 'paper trail' to your social security number would provide evidence of working in the US illegally.

    Foreign based webcam hosts won't make a report of your webcam earnings to the US gov't. And, technically speaking, working for a foreign company, even if doing so from the USA, doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of US state dep't work visas. But there will still be US income tax issues on your 'foreign' webcam income, since the IRS does have the authority to tax the worldwide earnings of US residents.

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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    Thank you all for helping me.
    So SM should be ok for me? I think they are based in Cyprus.
    Do you guys declare your earnings for tax? How do you receive payments, and what way would you recommend I receive payments?


    btw, I emailed SM support with this question and they just sent me back links to signup. I told them they didn't answer my question..and hopefully they do.

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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    I was wondering the same thing, since I wanted to move to the Netherlands.
    Anyone know if I could cam from there, and get a workers visa just for camming? I thought that most workers visas were only if you were working for that specific country. But I really have no clue how it works.

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    work visas only apply to non-citizens of a particular country wishing to work for businesses located within that particular country. If the webcam host site is located anywhere in the world besides Holland, the dutch gov't has absolutely no jurisdiction over dutch 'residents' working for this 'foreign country' business. And unlike the USA, the dutch gov't won't attempt to tax this 'foreign income' either !

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    Thanks Melonie, you seem so knowledgable on this. I think I understand that I'm eligible to work on SM but can you help me on the tax side of this. Do I declare my earnings from webcam to the US even though I'm living here on a closed work visa? Or do I declare it to my country of origin, or is there a way that its not taxable?

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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    oh, and if I'm living in US but not a resident, do I give my SSN, cos I feel a little uncomfortable with that..why do I need to give my SSN anyway?

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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    work visas only apply to non-citizens of a particular country wishing to work for businesses located within that particular country. If the webcam host site is located anywhere in the world besides Holland, the dutch gov't has absolutely no jurisdiction over dutch 'residents' working for this 'foreign country' business. And unlike the USA, the dutch gov't won't attempt to tax this 'foreign income' either !
    Wow, thanks for your help! I'll keep this in mind. Have you ever lived there before? It sounds like you know what you're talking about.

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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    For camming you dont need the worker visa , unless you work for a studio as an employee .When u work for a Dutch website , you are suppose to pay the VAT , but most websites withhold VAT already ! For all income you have to pay income tax , on the tax form you are supposed to enter it as miscellaneous income ,regardless what country it comes from. Thats when you live here , if u live less than 6 months out of Netherlands other rules apply . I live in the Netherlands
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    Interesting . . . however, and please correct me on this Melonie if you know the answer, that would still mean that your income is still U.S. taxable despite the fact that you live in the Netherlands now? Right? I'm trying to figure this out as well because I would like to start my transfer out of the U.S. to Nicaragua or Costa Rica. In the begining I'll be in the U.S. part time but eventually I'll be living out of the U.S. permanently. Also I am a legal resident here in the U.S. but have citizenship from my country of birth.

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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    ^^ Thanks Vogue


    This might be on the board here already, but did you all give your SSN? Why? and were you worried about fraud?

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    ^^ Thanks Vogue


    This might be on the board here already, but did you all give your SSN? Why? and were you worried about fraud?

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    Default Re: Camming from another country/visa issues.

    that would still mean that your income is still U.S. taxable despite the fact that you live in the Netherlands now? Right? I'm trying to figure this out as well because I would like to start my transfer out of the U.S. to Nicaragua or Costa Rica. In the begining I'll be in the U.S. part time but eventually I'll be living out of the U.S. permanently. Also I am a legal resident here in the U.S. but have citizenship from my country of birth.
    With a few additional facts, I can try to answer questions about your particular situation. The US gov't is one of the only gov'ts in the world that attempts to tax both the 'in country' plus 'foreign' earnings of it's citizens and permanent residents. If you are NOT a US citizen or a permanent US resident ( i.e. green card ), and not currently residing in the USA, then the US IRS will not attempt to tax income from non-US sources. However, as a US permanent resident, it's possible that the IRS will attempt to tax your income even if that income is from non-US sources and even if you're not residing in the USA when you earn it ... and you do have an obligation to report this income to the IRS ( well, as long as you want to hold onto your 'green card' anyhow ).

    However, as Vogue pointed out, if you are a citizen or permanent resident of Holland, the Dutch may attempt to tax webcam income earned while you are living in Holland. And in fact, if you hang onto your US green card, your earnings while residing in Holland may actually become subject to attempts at double taxation ( if you spent more than 35 days out of the past year living in the USA thus voiding the IRS 'foreign income exclusion' rule ). If the IRS attempts to tax 30% of your income, and the Dutch attempt to tax another 30% of your income, you might as well not work !!!

    From a personal perspective, the fact that you already have non-US citizenship ( and presumably passport ) provides you the immediate option of forfeiting your 'green card' in exchange for keeping the IRS's hands off your non-US earnings. However, this will also have consequences ( such as potentially not being allowed to return to the USA ). If your plans call for permanently relocating to any country other than the USA, you may want to seriously consider moving your financial assets out of US banks / financial institutions and into 'foreign country' accounts now ( to avoid potential future IRS seizure ).

    On a personal note, I have never 'lived' in Holland but I have certainly visited there ! Beautiful !!! But Expensive ( as is everything in Europe when one is paying in US dollars ! )


    can you help me on the tax side of this. Do I declare my earnings from webcam to the US even though I'm living here on a closed work visa? Or do I declare it to my country of origin, or is there a way that its not taxable?
    Assuming that your country of origin does not attempt to tax 'foreign' earnings of its citizens, and assuming that the webcam host site you wind up working for isn't based in the USA or in your country of origin, and given that you are not a permanent resident of the USA ( i.e. green card ), your webcam earnings should be legally exempt from US and home country income taxes.


    Disclaimer - while I have gained a fair amount of international tax knowledge and experience as a result of my own move 'way south of the border', obviously I'm not an attorney, a tax accountant, or otherwise in a position to give anything more than 'amateur' commentary on this subject. In other words, I could very well be wrong !!! As with any tax or investment or legal matter, perform your own 'due diligence' !

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    maybe you should try read and ask here about double taxation , http://community.expatica.com/forums?category=3 , there are many americans living and working in the Netherlands .
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    Thanks ladies!!!! I'll definitely be doing a lot of researching as I will be implementing the first changes come January 2012.

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