the apocalypse is coming..........
the apocalypse is coming..........
So i m in the US, will I still be able to work for adultwork or candycrib for example??
I thought if SOPA gets approved girls based in the US only would be able to cam for american sites and we won t have access to any UK based site...
I have a friend back in Argentina who works for an american site, you think american sites will fire all girls who r not in the USA? She s gonna be in trouble poor thing
I m confused now! lol
Melanie
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If all the things I ve read on this topic are true, I might have to retire from camming now at 28 and not at 30 like I had planned... but then Melony said something that gave me hopes but i m confused now..
We ll see if she replies back and answer my question...
I don t wanna stop working on cam, not yet anyways! lol
Melanie
Melanie
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I watched 2 days of the hearings last week, and plan to watch again Wednesday. From what I've heard so far, it really sounds like they are just trying to stop file sharing sites and fake Nike stores, etc. online.
The main things I wondered about:
Could it be considered infringement to play copyright music during a cam show?
Would it shut down some potential avenues for driving traffic to cams?
Otherwise, I really don't think it will be that bad... But I could be wrong.
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I really think it is about online pirating. I can see where music, movies, software developers besides porn are constantly being ripped off. There is many business outside the internet porn industry being ripped off and effecting the American job market. Most new technology originates from here, if there is no more profit to drive the new ideas. Then we will lose as a country in the end.
Highly doubt that this will effect commerce, because many non-adult business use payment processors and business world wide, like Amazon, Apple, Ebay, any online store and so many more. Highly doubt if our government is willing to shut down that much business.
Camming isnt stealing copyrights. We all signed releases giving companies the right to copyrights when streaming.
Alot of royalties are not being paid due to pirates of non adult businesses. Billions of dollars lost due to pirates. It is only a matter of time of the laws become world wide to protect those who are creators & originators. Of course, tubesites owners of Brazzers and such hate the idea of this law. It will directly effect them since they are NOT owned by citizens of the U.S & have used that to skirt being sued for stealing content.
Smooches,
Sam
In case anybody is curious, I asked SM what they thought about the SOPA bill:
"That's definitely an important bill. However, any type of decision is a
long way off and nothing we are concerned about at this point and time.
I suggest you not worry about it either."
Okay, I'm not putting my faith in that (or anything at this point), just throwing that out there.




That's good to know Amber. I dare say all of the cam sites have been bombarded with similar questions. Let's hope they have their thinking caps on.





It is easy to register a business in any state of the U.S.
This is why I dont worry about SM being effected.
Cost me $50 to do so. Super easy to get an DBA, to get a U.S tax ID number on the web, to even get a bank account.
Smooches,
Sam





Not the way the SOPA bill is currently written. US camgirls could still work for non-US based webcam host sites. However, those non-US based webcam host sites would no longer be able to 'deliver' the US camgirls' webcam stream ( or other camgirls' webcam streams originating from other countries ) to US customers. The US camgirls could still 'sell' to customers in the UK, EU countries, and other foreign countries, just not to customers located in the USA ( who spend some 70% of worldwide total webcam dollars ). However, if the US camgirls worked for a US based webcam host site, then they COULD have their webcam stream 'delivered' to US customers.I thought if SOPA gets approved girls based in the US only would be able to cam for american sites and we won t have access to any UK based site...
StreamMates could indeed register as a US company and start operating servers based in the USA in order to avoid a potenial 'block' at the US border. However, doing so would change their 0% Cypriot corporate tax rate into a 35% US corporate tax rate. I doubt that they could afford that unless they reduce payout percentages to camgirls ( i.e. from 50% to 33%, from 40% to 25%, from 30% to 20% ) in order to 'break even' in the face of the higher US tax rate.It is easy to register a business in any state of the U.S.
This is why I dont worry about SM being effected.
There is also a question of what SOPA will officially consider to be US content or a US location. If they choose to base this on IP's, then any camgirl's video stream that originates from an IP located outside of the USA could be 'blocked' ... even if she has registered a US business.
If the copyrighted music is part of 'content' that you are 'selling', then yes this will be problematic. When Hollywood uses a popular song in a movie, they have to pay royalties to the song's copyright owner. The situation isn't legally any different for camgirls. I would also add that, with the SOPA bill as currently written, a complaint that a StreamMates camgirl was playing copyrighted music owned by a US record company during a paid webcam session is potentially all that is required to get StreamMates IP / domain blocked from the US internet backbone !!!Could it be considered infringement to play copyright music during a cam show?
Arguably, the US gov't would love to 'leverage' these sites to drop their non-us based affiliates. Keep in mind that these companies enjoy a huge 'tax loophole' on their foreign income courtesy of the US gov't, such that falling foreign sales woundn't cost the IRS very much in the way of 'lost' tax revenues from these companies if sales by foreign affiliates were 'blocked'. Seemany non-adult business use payment processors and business world wide, like Amazon, Apple, Ebay, any online store and so many more. Highly doubt if our government is willing to shut down that much business.
And if foreign affiliates are 'blocked' due to SOPA, that opens the door for these companies to raise prices on equivalent US origin products sold by US affiliates due to lower priced foreign competing products no longer being available to US customers ( which could mean that Amazon, Ebay et.al. still earn just as much profit without the foreign affiliates and foreign product sales ).
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There's like 8439439 threads, but go read through this whole thread:
I don't think the adult industry will be affected too much. If it is affected, it will be a good way. Just, things are going to be more regulated.
And YES, DO NOT play music on sites that record your shows & distribute them! Or if YOU record & sell them! If you post a video of yourself WITH music (you legally cannot profit off it anyway if it has unlicensed music), then you have to claim you legally don't own the rights to the music & the item is not for profit.





I absolutely agree ... as long as the 'origin' of the adult content, and the 'distributor' of the adult content, are US based !I don't think the adult industry will be affected too much. If it is affected, it will be a good way
Im americam and im on streammate..should i join another site? Its my main sorce of income





http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...21VpS7v:e1241:
So many people here are full of bs.
I am reading the law.
It says "if a foreign site is using stolen copyrighted material then their billing aka ability to profit off of it will be suspended".
Take ebay. People have the right to resale a product. What they dont have the right to do is steal. Say sell a FAKE chanel purse.
Sam





^^^ and how does that come out when a camgirl working through foreign based StreamMates decides to play copyrighted music in the backgroud during a paid private show ? Foreign Site ( SM ) is using 'stolen' copyrighted material ( the camgirl's background music ) for profit ( SM's 'cut' of the paid private show ) ...





Yeah it says it streamate's contract (that each girl signs before they approve her profile) that liability is on her, not streamate, should any legal implications arise. Its a sticky situation because, as of right now, I don't think streamate profits directly off our shows (its most just free promo spammed everywhere). However, they could at ANY TIME decide to sell it, or perhaps they already are. They are not liable for anything, but the cam girls are 100% liable for anything & everything in their show including music. Most common posters on here know all this though.
That's why I personally will never broadcast music on any site that records & distributes my shows. MFC, on the other hand, though it could have the same fate, I don't think it would be much of a problem unless you are recording your own shows & selling them for profit. I don't believe MFC sells or distributes your shows. Guys (freeloaders) do probably more than any other site, but any legal cases against MFC girls/MFC would probably be dismissed because the shows were illegally recorded (read: freeloaders). Most other sites record & distribute our shows though, as that is how they get traffic.
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Many dance clubs & strip clubs pay a fee to some kind of musical organization or union. I am sure cam companies or girls can arrange the same thing.
Smooches,
Sam





^^^ if they're given the opportunity, and not simply 'blocked' first.
I'm starting to tire of this speculation. As of this time, the final form of SOPA is not know and has not been signed into law ... although US courts and ICE are already enforcing copyright violation claims ( not proof ) against certain websites.
All I can say is to hope that SOPA quietly fades away without ever being signed into law ... but with the vested interests involved I doubt it ! From there all I can say is to hope that SOPA is applied fairly ... but with the court precedents set so far regarding ICE copyright enforcement I doubt it as well !
And to put this in perspective, the amount of money involved in the adult webcam business, while substantial viewed by itself, is 'nothing' compared to the money involved in the movie industry, the record industry etc. Money talks !!! The movie and record industry are going to get their 'payoff' from the US gov't for the political support and contributions they gave to the current US politicians.
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Last edited by Melonie; 12-20-2011 at 02:09 AM.
One girl mentioned something about cam sites ending in .com will be blocked or chaised by ICE or something...lol
I m getting more and more confused now... I have my own site and it ends in .com will i have to change the domain to co.UK for example???? I don t understand that at all... I mean i m not stealing anybody s copyright or anything.. it s a simple site I use to sell my freaking cam shows and videos... am I violating the law now????? I truly can t believe something like this could happen, makes me regret getting in the camming business in the first place... I didn t move to China or a muslim country, I moved to the US... this doesn t look like freedom anymore... wth!!!!!!
Can someone explain to me if me, for having a .com site I will be in danger or something?? don t wanna get deported for having a camming amateur site.... geez!!
Melanie
Melanie
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^^^ If you don't have any copyrighted content on your US based .com website, and your website isn't high enough in 'profile' to draw ( bogus ) complaints from competitors, you should be totally unaffected by both ICE and SOPA. But if, for whatever reason, a complaint IS lodged against your website, from a real world standpoint your website is probably 'toast'.
As the court precedents show in regard to ICE enforcement, and as the SOPA bill is currently written, the vulnerability of websites to potential US gov't 'blocking' actions seems to stem from two principles. The first principle is that, unlike US criminal cases where the 'accused' cannot be punished without 'proof of guilt', both ICE and SOPA encourage US internet backbone service providers, US online credit card processors, US search engines etc. to 'voluntarily' block websites about which they receive copyright violation complaints WITHOUT the necessity of guilt being proven. And US courts have already set precedent of ordering the blocking of accused websites based on the complaint alone ( the legal term is ex-parte ) ... meaning, in the case of potential foreign website example StreamMates, that a US based complainant goes before a US judge, and with nobody flying over from Cyprus to represent StreamMates, the judge issues a blocking order. US internet backbone service providers, US internet payment processors, US search engines, etc. must then follow the judge's order and poof future attempts to access the StreamMates website from the USA take you to a 'This Website Has Been Blocked' page on ICE's web server !
As the posted links in earlier threads clearly show, the approach has been to block the accused website first, and then burden the accused website with legally proving their innocence before the block will be removed. This is obviously expensive ( legal fees ) and time consuming ( months or years worth of lost website earnings while the block remains in place ), which probably means that small independent websites can't successfully 'fight' a blocking action. In that scenario, if a single complaint results in a blocking action that cuts off 100% of its sales revenues, a small website will be de-facto instantly bankrupted.
The other principle is that the REAL source of complaints is extremely likely to be some major US organization or business ... from the US Movie industry to the US Record industry but possibly the US Adult Webcam Hosting industry. As speculated in the links posted above, their REAL motivation is to simply get non-US competitors and 'small' US competitors removed from the marketplace. As such it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see a US based adult webcam host convince some paid 'intermediary' ( a former ICE official now working as a lobbyist ? ) to lodge a copyright violation complaint against foreign based StreamMates !!! As shown in the link posted above, the complaint alone could cause ICE to 'seize' StreamMates domain name thus essentially blocking StreamMates from reaching any US camgirls or US customers. It would then be up to StreamMates to hire US attorneys to 'fight' the ( bogus ) accusations in US courts for the next several months or years - and in the meantime their US based income level would be zero due to total lack of being able to connect to US camgirls and US customers. In the meantime, of course, former US based StreamMates customers and former StreamMates camgirls would switch to different adult webcam host sites.
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Last edited by Melonie; 12-20-2011 at 03:41 PM.
could someone recommend me some good american sites i can work for? i should register soon... if this passes i dont want to be out of a job, i work for webcams and i think they are canadian but im not even sure.
i heard that all porn is going to be .xxx instead of .com




No, you can choose to buy a .xxx if you wish, but it's not advisable as the people that you are forced to buy from are a bunch of crooks. And it's one sure fire way to blacklist yourself from almost every home and business as they will all be blocking this "internet red light district"




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