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    Just looking on as information is posted in this forum and want to clarify the purpose behind .xxx. This post has little to do with the ICM registry (this is a separate issue).

    The original idea of .xxx came from the International Foundation for Online Responsibility (IFFOR). At this time .xxx is a voluntary option for pornographic websites to park their sites, however, the ultimate goal is to remove porn from the internet as a separate entitly and to create a sub-internet which users must subscribe to via their ISP, similar to pay channels (Playboy) on Cable TV or subscribing to satellite radio i.e two separate internets. This has been being discussed since the late 90's and was thrown on the legal table in the early 2000's as was the issue of the self governing of porn. This (separate internet) will take years to implement and is not an issue for us at least for the next 10 to 15 years. Laws don't get passed that quick and there are too many in opposition.

    If it does pass, this is a GOOD thing and I'm not sure why the thought scares so many people.

    There are SO many reasons this is a good thing but the most obvious is it means parents who only subscribe to regular internet access are saving us from having to deal with the unattended little shits that sit in front of their computers without parental supervision and troll our chat rooms with "show asssssssssssssssssssssssss bb" but also, it's good because sites like Streamate who DONT truely govern themselves will now be forced to follow decency laws i.e. allowing MissNoBusinessSense to continue broadcasting free porn in free chat.

    As far as ICM goes, they are short lived as far as I am concerned. Here today, gone tomorrow. They are a temporary entity and it's not necessary for us to deal with them at this time. There are too many reputable companies (see the Manwin suits) that are vying for the role of .xxx delegate. You have to remember, this is all new, this history in the making and nothing is set in stone yet although it may appear to be. It's really just the first days and to be alarmist about their current practices is a waste of energy because someone is going to come along and turn it face up. Yes, I realize ICM is the current delegate but this is not looking like a permanent deal.


    My suggestion is, if you have a name that may be grabbed up TODAY because it's that popular, then put your grudge aside and just buy it because it may not be there tomorrow, but if you have a name specific only to you such as, "thin-blonde-39-inch-inseam" or an off spelled name like, "mercceedees" then you really have no worries. This is not something you have to deal with now.

    BTW Manwin operates YouPorn so I doubt tube sites will be going anywhere and I'm pretty sure this is who will be the .xxx delegate.

    --- editing to add in-----

    I think as a camgirl we should be looking at .xxx as a hell of an opportunity similar to that of a new medium. First come, first serve sort of like eBay and Google.
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    No thanks. No one in their right mind is going to use the .xxx in the long run, even the scammers, because they will all be corralled off into one easy to block place on the internet. This is just a scam to get $$$ from all the worried adult entertainers out there who buy "just in case someone else buys it".

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    Porn ghetto. 'Nuff said.


    "You don't want to work today?? I get paid 9 dollars an hour to move boxes around, so go fuck yourself. No really, go fuck yourself right now"

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    Once again with the threats

    My suggestion is, if you have a name that may be grabbed up TODAY because it's that popular, then put your grudge aside and just buy it because it may not be there tomorrow, but if you have a name specific only to you such as, "thin-blonde-39-inch-inseam" or an off spelled name like, "mercceedees" then you really have no worries. This is not something you have to deal with now.

    Strong arm tactics just leave a soar taste in my mouth. Oh my 2 brand new cam girls posting almost the exact same thing in the past 2 weeks trying to bully us into getting xxx domain.

    How desperate can a company be to threaten mainly cam girls into buying a domain when most of them will never open up a pay site. Pay sites are NOT worth the money & time it takes to do these days. More money in just being a cam girl.

    Someone buying my domain for an xxx site will NEVER be able to buy a single scene of mine in order to open up a pay site. My fans, my members know my site, my name, my brand. No need for me to pay blackmail money to xxx.

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    Faceless26, why exactly do you care?

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    yea ....grab a .XXX and sign away your rights ???? lmao at that 1 post garbage !!!!
    I feel like im in the French Revolution!!!!!! "Sooooo Many heads sooooo little time!!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Oh my 2 brand new cam girls posting almost the exact same thing in the past 2 weeks trying to bully us into getting xxx domain.
    ding ding ding





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    So how many stumps can you fit in your pussy?

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    Okay so what you're saying is that I'm supposed to jump for joy to purchase a website with my name so that someone else makes the money on people having to subscribe to access it. Hmmm....think I'll stick with my site where my guys don't have to pay for a separate internet area to find me online. Thanks for the insight though that they want to not only charge us money for the site, but cost us money since many custies aren't going to subscribe to a separate internet.

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    As for the accusation that I must be a representative of ICM or be somehow affiliated with it, you are dead wrong. I'm a performer and have been a lurker to this board longer than many of you have ever become members. I find it tragic that so many posties are so skeptical and abrasive towards anyone with a different view. I posted here because I find it to be a fascinating topic and wanted to add my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

    All I'm saying is this issue has been bouncing around long before most of us even knew what a web cam site was, and love it or hate it, eventually we may have no choice in the matter and perhaps we should consider our options.

    And lastly, it concerns me that due to the fact that a certain (specific) poster is intelligent and well spoken that she must be on to something. Perhaps this is a contributing factor to your skepticism? Those who consider themselves a "fan" of this specific poster fail to recognize that her personality traits of; Self-importance, having a condescending manner, being overly argumentative and eager to point out how those around her are somehow plotting against her, having delusions is that she's repeatedly being singled out for harm, thesearen't personality traits, these are symptoms of something that needs to be considered before you buy into the hype.

    --Ifriends is out to rip her off, Streamate is magically redirecting traffic away from her chat room and into the new girls' chat rooms even though she's been given the privilege of being on their front page, Countless trolls (what performer doesn't have countless trolls) that all add up to one stalker with a single IP address even though it's impossible to see IP addresses on Twitter, Facebook and Streamate, A studio owner who wants to "rid the internet of her", and now the owner of ICM?

    My question is why is she's so important that so many people are out to get her? Is it because she is a veteran? I doubt it, there are TWO controversial veteran performers on Streamate that immediately come to my mind and I don't see either one of those girls having so many issues with others. Is it because she is outspoken? Well, I can think of at least two more obtrusively outspoken performers (we've all seen a blog recently) and one of them is getting endorcements and being asked to promote their products.

    Straight up, reading the fine print on the ICM website TOS page and being proactive is not an especially outrageous talent and while it is a good call on her part, it only makes her appear to be what she is, an intelligent person as all of us are, and I'd like to think we are all as equally proactive in the direction this industry takes, however, her level of mental dexterity goes above and beyond the average person so before you jump on this bandwagon of hype and hate please consider that just because someone possesses qualities that make them appear to be trustworthy, it doesn't necessarily mean they are.

    How many nurses, social workers, psychology workers and health care professionals do we have on this board? Use your common sense.
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    It's not a good thing.. a lot of performers will lose their domains to the thieves promoting this new domain...

    How many trolls are trying to buy the sites to extrot the studios.. well the studios have bigtime greedy lawyers whereas the performers do not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by faceless26 View Post
    As for the accusation that I must be a representative of ICM or be somehow affiliated with it, you are dead wrong. I'm a performer and have been a lurker to this board longer than many of you have ever become members. I find it tragic that so many posties are so skeptical and abrasive towards anyone with a different view. I posted here because I find it to be a fascinating topic and wanted to add my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

    All I'm saying is this issue has been bouncing around long before most of us even knew what a web cam site was, and love it or hate it, eventually we may have no choice in the matter and perhaps we should consider our options.
    I don't think anyone is skeptical of your post because you have a different viewpoint. Have you seen this board??? All we have is differing point of views. We're hardly ever on the same page lol. The skepticism comes into play when someone who has never even said hi comes from nowhere to suddenly "warn" us and help us. You said yourself that you've been lurking longer than most of us have been members. So it's just hard to believe that this is the first cause that brought you out of lurk mode. I mean seriously we've debated on everything imaginable but you could no longer hide yourself because of the ICM debacle going on here? That's what sounds suspects. At least to me anyway.

    As far as everything else you wrote about this mystery performer on SM, I'm not even touching that.

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    I was well aware of who you were talking about. Like I said i'm not touching that. It's not my concern. You did your part. We've been warned. Thanks

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    I'm flat out saying that just because someone misunderstands the ICM TOS and says .xxx and ICM is a scam doesn't make it true. If you read the blog you'll see a very well written and factual response from the person she is questioning.

    ICM does not have proprietary rights to anyone's content nor are they claiming they do. If you read Network Solutions TOS its is the exact same agreement in their own words. This is an industry wide standard agreement and no indy girl or any other performer with a registered URL is excluded from this agreement.

    Why is it so expensive to register a domain name under .xxx? It's porn!!

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    Yea your BULLSHIT faceless26 point Blank .....Now its 4 str8 posts about nothing but this lame ass scam companies defense..... lmao imagine this your getting sued faster than Napster.....How long do you think you can survive???
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    I find it hard to believe if your such a long term lurker & cam girl that this is the only subject you decided to weigh in on.

    You never comment or posted a new thread on any other subject.

    Then you attack another person here to discredit them. Saying that we are not able to read and make a different opinion is insulting. If you were suck a longtime lurker then it would be apparent that many of us do NOT agree on lots of different subjects.

    I have cause many ripples in the industry over the years. Some site owners hate me. Heck, I got one now going off on me on twitter today. LMAO He is a predator & it cracks me up to piss him off. Especially when I entered into porn 12 years ago, models were disposable for one to disagree or go against what the status quo was career suicide.

    You act as if we are the only ones who are suspicious of this dot xxx thing when the WHOLE industry is. Not only Manwin is against it so are Bang Bros, Reality Kings, Sensational Video.

    The threats of if we dont buy it then our brands will be hijacked is BS! The commercials insult those in the adult industry. Why would anyone want to sign up & pay money to a company that holds all of us in disdain?

    When are you going to get the point? NO SELL!

    Why is it so expensive to register a domain name under .xxx? It's porn!! that is called extortion! A practice I resent & find to be unfair business practice.

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    Epic Fail... ICM reps knowing who is who on Streamate ::eyeroll::

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    Quote Originally Posted by faceless26 View Post
    Epic Fail... ICM reps knowing who is who on Streamate ::eyeroll::
    SO And?

    I am on Streamate.

    What does that have to do with anything.

    More threats?

    So as cam girls on Streamate if we dont buy a dot xxx domain, what are you going to do?

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    Sam they are blocking the sales of every popular site name ....
    and thats all the best names on SM too..

    Inflated Price.....
    False Value......

    lol Mob tactics..... the worse FAIL EVER!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by faceless26 View Post
    I'm flat out saying that just because someone misunderstands the ICM TOS and says .xxx and ICM is a scam doesn't make it true. If you read the blog you'll see a very well written and factual response from the person she is questioning.

    ICM does not have proprietary rights to anyone's content nor are they claiming they do. If you read Network Solutions TOS http://www.networksolutions.com/lega...439ef49df:E5ct its is the exact same agreement in their own words. This is an industry wide standard agreement and no indy girl or any other performer with a registered URL is excluded from this agreement.

    Why is it so expensive to register a domain name under .xxx? It's porn!!
    Maybe youre misunderstood something. If you're a camgirl and you post a thread and everyone disagrees, maybe we're trying to show you the light and you're not getting it. Have you ever thought of that? That's usually the case when someone is the solo defender of an issue that everyone feels the opposite about. Your persistance shows us your not a cam girl and are affiliated with ICM and your tactics are desperate and embarrassing.
    Sub-internet that has to be subscribed through your ISP? LOL how is that good for anyone except the ISP and ICM. You're automatically excluding your target market of married customers, customers with children, customers at work. Then what's left of our customers, you're asking them to pay more to subscribe to porn, and on top of that pay us for our services. I just see more pockets for the customers to fill before they fill ours. It's unfair for the customers, and it's unfair for us. Plus won't we all have to subscribe for this extra service also to access these sites?
    Promotion is going to be much harder for us because we'll pretty much be operating in a new sector that will take time to develop and have enough traffic to even be profitable. Converting non-porn users to porn-using traffic will be difficult, and I'm sure there will be an abundance of free porn offered there too due to customers feeling like they should get free porn for paying a subscription fee. I mean I would. You want the customers to subscribe to something so they have the opportunity to spend more? Sounds good in theory, don't see it happening. Why should we have to be sectioned off from e-commerce as a whole? I want the guy who's buying a lot of shit online to spend on me too, I want access to their money. I think someone said it best with "porn ghetto".

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    This is why I am saying not to buy into the misconceptions of an alarmist. The only thing they have done is to block trademarked names.

    ICANN, who has no affiliation with ICM, did this because they saw the possibility for porn providers to use trademarked names so they gave trademark owners a first crack at buying the sites in September before they went public Dec. 6. The block protects businesses, their names and their trademarks. The biggest news-making examples are the colleges. How many mascots are called Trojans?

    From what I have read in current news reports they are not blocking the sale of any unregistered domain name. There are names you can't buy because .xxx has been around since the creation of .tv and .biz et al and people saw a business opportunity so and in anticipation of Dec 6 they made advance purchases on those domain names. You can't buy a domain name that is already owned. This is perfectly legal and typical of any .com and .net. It's also good ethics.

    Thank you for being so passionate in your views. I hope this has been an enlightening thread for those who read it on every side of the issue.

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    ICM and ICANN has nothing to do with the potential creation of a sub internet. It's the American government that wants to do this, and if you ask the parents of John Q Kiddo they will agree as do a majority of the major players in the adult industry. Not to protect John Q Kiddo but to protect their copy-written material from being pirated from hack sites.

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    ^xfatrabbit you make some valid points.

    Dotxxx spokes model Mercedes Ashley still has her dotcom site. If xxx was so much better then why not get rid of the dotcom site?

    I know why...
    According to alexa her traffic rank on dotxxx is 23,762,127

    her dot com global ranking 243,628 US 38,415

    The numbers speak for themselves.

    Now, if faceless26 had signed up started a pay site on there. Want us to know how great it was and all the money she was making, then we all might have joined.

    I do have an adult pay site. So why would I take advice from someone who does NOT!

    Name one successful dotxxx site?

    Proof is in the pudding. Where are the stats of traffic & sales if it was so great?

    If your spokes person doesnt believe in dotxxx enough to drop her dotcom site why should any of us buy in?

    NOT one single one of my fans has asked me why don't I have a dotxxx site.

    Apparently, this is a trend. A newbie who has never posted going onto all kind of adult related forums posting the same kind of threats.

    If I wanted someones business I would do a partnership with an established well respected person then build their site to major money making numbers to convince others to join in.

    There is no proven success record on dotxxx.

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    I can understand that you don't think it's fair for them to charge $99 for a domain, it is quite a stretch and yeah, I understand your point here. It is highway robbery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by faceless26 View Post
    ICM and ICANN has nothing to do with the potential creation of a sub internet. It's the American government that wants to do this, and if you ask the parents of John Q Kiddo they will agree as do a majority of the major players in the adult industry. Not to protect John Q Kiddo but to protect their copy-written material from being pirated from hack sites.

    You make a statement without backing it up with facts.
    Which major players?

    Which major players support dotxxx?
    The Naysayers have very publicly come out against it.

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