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    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397826,00.asp

    I read this artical and it looks like Sopa is trying to focus on pirated sales and percription drugs over seas..its says nothing about porn sites..the sex idustry is a billion dollar industry and i really don't think we are a main prioity when it comes to this bill..What do you think?

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    I think people need to stop being naive about this and thinking that this bill is only meant for "pirates". The government wants to make protesters out to be terrorists. Do y'all really think they give a damn about letting people profit from ENTERTAINMENT in anyway where they won't have their hand in the pocket should this pass?

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    ** Edit: I've said enough on this subject. Research the SOPA and other similar /lesser acts that are in place, and draw your own conclusions.

    Nearly everyone thinks "it won't happen"/ "it won't affect me", until it does and there is no recourse.
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    Many people make money & pay taxes off of major non adult business.
    Highly doubt the law will ever be used to shut down majority of the sites you mentioned.

    This is the hype others want you to believe.

    Open sources codes are just that, open source codes.

    I think pirates are coming up with tons of propaganda to scare everyone off this bill.

    U.S Gov doesn't want people to stop making money & then have no money for taxes. No, but stealing copyrighted material is rampant around the world.

    Why create is your idea, song, movie, porn, technology is just going to be stolen & you will never see a dime of money from it?

    Dont you like music? Dont you like movies? If it cost more to make them & no profit, why produce more?

    To let blatant stealing to go on is wrong. What ya'll keep on bring up are extremes. Governments dont want to stop legit money making online businesses.
    Only legal place to produce porn is in California. Yet, I dont see local, county or state governments busting down cam girls doors and arresting them here. Have some common sense.

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    Yes, and that's the excuse they used over here when using the internet peadophilia act to shut down a website with copyright material on it. If it were just about stopping piracy (which i agree with), the acts would be drawn up with specific wording, detailing exactly what they do and do not cover, and would have the backing of industry trusted experts. SOPA is not and does not. I do hope it's all hype, i really do.

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    thank you sam..im thinking the same thing!!

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    Except it's not propaganda by pirates.

    http://holykaw.alltop.com/internet-e...to-congress-ab

    The main backers of this bill (RIAA, MPAA) are not hurting for money and if they are, it's because they're refusing to adapt to the new business model of the web. I've ranted about how the entertainment industry isn't even trying anymore elsewhere and that if they really need anyone to blame for "losses", they can look in the mirror. Formulaic auto-tuned pop crap and remake after reboot after sequel. Yeah, I'll keep paying the inflated prices from the 90's to see the same things that were coming out then (now in 3D! that makes up for it! )

    Pirates ARE a problem, but this isn't the way to go after them. The problem isn't the superficial intent of the bill, but the language. It's too open and that means there's potential for abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinnerette View Post
    I think people need to stop being naive about this and thinking that this bill is only meant for "pirates". The government wants to make protesters out to be terrorists. Do y'all really think they give a damn about letting people profit from ENTERTAINMENT in anyway where they won't have their hand in the pocket should this pass?
    I agree. It IS a facade though. I think the gov has realized that people are coming together to FIGHT what they don't like (i.e. Occupy Wallstreet Movement), and they have decided to take matters into their own hands, but are using the whole "anti-piracy" thing as a cover up just like they did 10 years ago with "anti-terrorist" things. They would have passed this YEARS ago if that wasn't the case.

    Yes, it will limit pirates, and yes it was heavily paid off my the film & music entertainment industries. The porn industry is just as lucrative as the film & music entertainment industries. Why the fuck would they ever block that? LOL

    I don't think cam sites will be affected. I just think they will be heavily taxed & more regulated. Everything will be. If you are an honest cam girl, it will be fine.

    Trust, me I have researched the hell out of all this, and have been following conspiracies forever now.

    So lets all calm down and move on. I don't think it should be passed (though I am also a strong libertarian), but there's nothing we can do about it. We are ants and they are dinosaurs. We should all be saving and have back-up plans anyway!
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    Oh & you know if this DOES pass & affects the adult industry (camming specifically), someone on here will end up renting a resort in like Mexico and we will all end up camming there. Or someone will find a way around it and post it here.

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    Thank you Glamour Rouge.
    Largest employer in California is the state.
    2nd largest the porn industry....

    Smooches,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spinnerette View Post
    I think people need to stop being naive about this and thinking that this bill is only meant for "pirates". The government wants to make protesters out to be terrorists. Do y'all really think they give a damn about letting people profit from ENTERTAINMENT in anyway where they won't have their hand in the pocket should this pass?
    Agree. They were PAID OFF by the entertainment industry. The gov will receive a cut, but it will be worth it bc the entertainment industry will be making more as a whole.

    The entertainment industry has been begging them to do this for YEARS. Why now? Because the gov & entertainment industry finally came to an agreement, and the gov gets to block whatever else they'd like (aka everything anti-gov or conspiracy-related, and every big $$$ industry they don't get a profit off) with this as a cover.

    The adult industry will have the SAME EXACT fate as the film/music entertainment industry. The adult industry will just end up the gov a cut, but will make more money because pirate sites will be shut down!! We will make the same, or more. And we will be fine. It will be more competitive, but you'll be fine if you're on top of your game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Agree. They were PAID OFF by the entertainment industry. They will receive a cut. The entertainment industry has been begging them to do this for YEARS. Why now? Because the gov & entertainment industry finally came to an agreement, and the gov gets to block whatever else they'd like (aka everything anti-gov or conspiracy-related, and every big $$$ industry they don't get a profit off). The adult industry will just end up giving them a cut, and we will be fine. It will be more competitive, but you'll be fine if you're on top of your game.
    Unlike a lot of people, I'm not taking the approach of only caring if it effects my bottom line. :/ I see legislative corruption, I want to stop it.

    But I'll hush now. No one over here cares.

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    ^ ^ Like I said, I don't want this to pass because I feel strongly about freedom of speech & doing whatever you want, but I'm 99% sure its going to. Which sucks, but it may be good in some ways:

    That being said, this could possibly create MORE jobs and help the economy A LOT. Why? Because more $$$$ in an industry usually means more jobs. In this case, the entertainment industry (film, music, adult, etc.) And the fact that the younger generations are more creative than ever, that's a great area for growth (and jobs). And where are these industries primarily located? In California and New York where the economy is dying a slow death, and worse than most other places. Just a thought!

    But obviously it all depends on the gov's cut of the $$$ & how the bill actually ends up playing out. There's no point in worrying until we see what actually happens (which sites are blocked, if there's a way to get around it, if it affect the adult industry & our income, etc.)

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    Spinnerette - Agreed. I see it on so many issues lately. Not just here, everywhere. Years of actually caring what goes on in the world taught me to shut the hell up because no one fricking cares. But usually i have a bit of a rant and rave, get all upset them realize maybe someone was listening, just one person, and if they were motivated enough to go look into it and bring it up with someone else, that's enough. Just wish it worked faster so things could be stopped before they start.

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    When I film for my site, I never let a label,a brand name, a song, a movie or tv show in any of them. It is easy to create content without stealing someone else's product. I know for a fact it is easy to create a product without stealing.

    Yet, others feel it is okay to join my pay site, download all the content and then post it all over the web for free. I have had my income directly effected by theft.

    Yes, youtube, social networks & many others have people who blantantly use others copyrighted music, movies, products and such. They were stealing, plain and simple. Stealing is wrong.

    Men brag to me about watching my content for free all over the web & dont get why I'm hating them for it. They all think I should be happy about my income being stolen from me. This is so pervasive among the web & how people think these days. That it is their right to steal. Amazes me.

    You have $8000 a month of your income stolen from you? Yes, with the advent of tubesites my sites sales went from $10,000 a month to barely $2000. Yet, my cost to do create content, hosting, webmaster and such are the SAME. Freedom of speech does not mean allowing people to steal your product, idea, or hard work.

    Yes, I am for SOPA.

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    But they are not protecting you Sam, they are protecting their own interests. And in the process they are drastically altering the way the internet works, our freedom of speech, our online security, and our earning potential. If this were just about stopping piracy (for ALL not just the powerful few), then yes, i'm sure we'd all be behind it. But it's not.

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    this means our possible pirated shows will be deleted!!yay!! like i said there focusing on piracy..why are we freaking eachother out about this? as long as your cam site doesnt have copyrighted material on it YOUR FINE!!!

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    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...21VpS7v:e1241:

    And how about reading the law instead of letting other interpret for you.
    I read through it, it is pretty straight forward & all about piracy.

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    i got the same thing as katie

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    I went to www.US.gov and typed in SOPA that was the link I got.

    I found it to be straight forward without any hidden agendas.

    But online piracy is billions of dollars in so many different ways. So I can see why thieves would be so against it & trying to stop it.

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    Proof that UMG are self-serving money grubbing bastards (as if no one knew that already) -

    THIS is what will be attempted against all those sites currently branded the "internet blacklist"

    Even with limited technological awareness, people can see the far reaching implications of this on other areas of the internet including our own. These people do not play fair. They use bully boy, back handed techniques, bribery, and corruption. And your government is allowing them to do so.

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    also keep in mind how 'private sector' support for SOPA is structured. The head of the MPAA is former US senator Chris Dodd ! From


    (snip)"MPAA president Chris Dodd today lashed out at critics of SOPA and PIPA antipiracy bills who equate the proposed legislation with corporate censorship and the repressive Internet policies of foreign governments. “It’s an outrageous and false comparison,” Dodd said in a speech at the Center for American Progress, according to reports on The Hill and Broadcasting & Cable websites. “Hollywood is pro-Internet. We stand with those who strongly oppose foreign governments that would unilaterally block websites and thus deny the free flow of information and speech. So I want to make it clear right at the outset that our fight against content theft is not a fight against technology. It is a fight against criminals.” Critics of the House’s Stop Online Piracy Act and the Senate’s Protect IP ACT contend the legislation threatens Internet speech and lacks sufficient due process. These opponents include Google, other websites, Wikipedia and a significant chunk of Silicon Valley and consumer electronics companies. “Contrary to piracy apologists, the operators of these fraudulent sites aren’t overzealous film buffs or political activists making a statement about freedom of information,” Dodd said. “They are criminals, plain and simple: they don’t innovate, they don’t adhere to manufacturing standards, and they certainly don’t pay taxes on the proceeds from their scams.

    Dodd described the entertainment industry’s position as a fight to preserve good jobs. The studios aren’t the only ones affected, he stressed. Some 95,000 businesses and the people they employ are hurt by digital theft. It’s not about star salaries, he said, but the $55,000 average pay for a generally unionized movie and TV worker, as well as the “local lumber yard supplying the material, catering company feeding the cast and crew and car dealership providing the vehicles.”(snip)


    If you're wondering about the true intentions of SOPA, there you go !

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    I told you guys!! geez..everyone is trippin over nothin!

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