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    Crashes my encoder, 13 mins into a 15 min show, causing me to have done the show for free. When they take 65% you would think they could handle their traffic.

    Writing an email is worthless. I have an i7 processor, 16 gigs of ddr3 memory, 2 500 gig harddrives in raid 0. My download is 30 Mbps and upload is 5 Mbps. Please dont tell me its my setup streamate!!


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    oh no! so sorry it's been really bad there (screwy and crashy) for me all week. I'm actually kind of glad I'm too busy to get on cam.

    Hope the rest of your shift goes well!
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    Its decent today, however Im thinking of signing off. No sense staying on if the site isnt working. I always get worried around the holidays as I am sure people arent around to maintain the sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloraBell View Post
    So sorry that happened to you! I've been going through the SM sign up process and have to re-send one document....but just rethinking the whole thing now.
    Theres unfortunate stories about all sites on the net, just have to preserver. If we didnt go back to a site because of a negative story/mishap then you'll soon find you've no sites to work on, especially as we dont even know what caused the problem in this instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessJenny View Post
    Theres unfortunate stories about all sites on the net, just have to preserver. If we didnt go back to a site because of a negative story/mishap then you'll soon find you've no sites to work on, especially as we dont even know what caused the problem in this instance.
    Exactly I wouldnt let it stop you, I love streamate, and have some really cool customers, however I do hear of girls having this problem once in a while.

    I just wish streamate would get it together, between their customer service (and not all of them mind you, they do have some awesome people, but their support overall leaves much to be desired) and their servers they have some work to do.

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    i am so sorry that happened to u holly. i would be pissed about that situation too, it really sux everyone HATES to do a show for FREE, but don't let it discourage u from trying to make more money. u just gotta get back on that horse and try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloraBell View Post
    So sorry that happened to you! I've been going through the SM sign up process and have to re-send one document....but just rethinking the whole thing now.
    As mentioned, Streamate is the lesser of evils. Sadly, there just really isn't many good cam sites out there to choose from. Most of them just rip you off.
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    ^^totally right on that, there are lots with the reputation of ripping girls off with they're money and fucking plenty that do chargebacks on the girls, tough biz for sure.

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    Quote Holly Snow: just wish streamate would get it together, between their customer service (and not all of them mind you, they do have some awesome people, but their support overall leaves much to be desired) and their servers they have some work to do.
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    This!^ I was trying to get going w/the encoder,last night, but forget it, same crappola about 'file corrupted' which I've emailed more than once & got a generic answer..
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    Streamate always has streaming problems, and pretty much seems to be the only site that does. I think they have a bandwidth issue, and that is a big part of their problem. That's apparently why they can't give everyone gold shows & all the special features... because they don't have the capacity to.

    I have encoder problems pretty much every time I'm on that site. And I have a new computer just for camming + fast internet, so I know its not from my end. It does the same thing on my other computer, and at my old apartment. So its not you, its the site.

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    I was in an epic and awesome pvt during which I got disconnected twice, and the guy got disconnected once.

    Needless to say, fourth time wasn't a charm. Took me forever to get back onto their damn site and by that time -- he was gone.
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    that sucks .... mine has been crashing all week too though, and once while I was in a private !

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Streamate always has streaming problems, and pretty much seems to be the only site that does. I think they have a bandwidth issue, and that is a big part of their problem. That's apparently why they can't give everyone gold shows & all the special features... because they don't have the capacity to.

    I have encoder problems pretty much every time I'm on that site. And I have a new computer just for camming + fast internet, so I know its not from my end. It does the same thing on my other computer, and at my old apartment. So its not you, its the site.
    I was wondering about their gold shows and all their other special features not being offered to everyone. That makes perfect sense. Thanks so much GlamourRouge!
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    I wonder why that happens with Streamate. Has anyone contacted about this issue? What have they said? Is there any way to reach an upper manager or something?
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    I wonder why that happens with Streamate. Has anyone contacted about this issue? What have they said? Is there any way to reach an upper manager or something?
    They won't do anything about it. And if they didn't, you would not like what it entails. They will just tell you "check your computer's processor speed and upgrade your internet." I talked to them on their secret phone number thing, and the woman on the phone admitted that they get numerous reports for things like phone feature not working & streaming constantly crashing, but there's nothing they can do about it since they 1.) don't have the capacity to bandwidth-wise, and 2.) they can't pinpoint the problem with the phone feature.

    I mean, the only real options for the bandwidth problem would be for them to: 1.) upgrade their bandwidth to higher levels (meaning our payout would decrease by a hefty percentage), 2.) ban models that don't reach a certain per hour or per day minimum dollar amount in profits, or 3.) start charging a house fee (a certain dollar amount per day or per log on) to offset costs. Pretty much the same things Melonie was saying.

    All 3 of those things would infuriate too many people though, and give Streamate a bad name so they just let us deal with it being really glitchy, continually replying to us with common sense answers making it seem like its our fault (when its not), and only giving gold shows & all the special features to those who reach a certain per hour dollar amount and/or those who harass them for it.

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    I mean, the only real options for the bandwidth problem would be for them to: 1.) upgrade their bandwidth to higher levels (meaning our payout would decrease by a hefty percentage), 2.) ban models that don't reach a certain per hour or per day minimum dollar amount in profits, or 3.) start charging a house fee (a certain dollar amount per day or per log on) to offset costs. Pretty much the same things Melonie was saying.

    All 3 of those things would infuriate too many people though, and give Streamate a bad name so they just let us deal with it
    It actually goes farther than this. Upgrading streaming server capacity would cost tens of millions. StreamMates does not have this kind of money ... and it's doubtful that any banker or investor group in their right minds will loan it to them. And this is especially the case if the US SOPA law passes and winds up banning StreamMates from the US internet backbone due to their 'foreign' content.

    Upgrading internet backbone bandwidth would cost StreamMates hundreds of thousands every month. How many 'upscale' camgirls are going to stick around StreamMates if their payout percentage drops to 25% in order to cover their monthly bandwidth improvement ?

    No the real problem is that HD video requires 3-5 times as much bandwidth as standard video. This means that HD video streams cost 3-5 times as much to provide. And StreamMates is providing 'free' video stream bandwidth to thousands of camgirls who simply aren't capable of generating enough paid webcam sales to cover the costs of providing their 'free' video stream.

    My gut feeling is that StreamMates isn't going to make ANY changes that cost them money in the short term ... at least until they find out if they'll still be able to access the US webcam customer market as a result of SOPA. If they're banned, then their existing servers and internet backbone capacity will be more than adequate to support the remaining non-US camgirls and remaining non-US webcam customers. In the meantime, StreamMates is probably concentrating on pocketing cash flow and ignoring complaints !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImpossiblePrincess View Post
    I did the speedtest thing today and it said my upload speed was something like 21 mbps, and encoder was STILL really laggy. I just ended up closing the damn thing down and broadcasting with regular HD on the site.
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    my streaming problems with streamate are specific to cam lag issues. I had a intel celeron processor so I bought a new computer with a dual core processor. that eased the cam lag issues but it still does it just not as bad. now I'm not lagging 15 to 20 minutes behind. but I still lag just enough that I don't make much money cause the guys notice and won't tip, go private, or enter into my gold shows. I also work on MFC and I never have cam lag issues there the problem is the live encoder itself it just plain sucks and they need to do away with it.

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    Alecia, check my sig, there should be some useful infor for you there regarding your computers.

    I guess all we can do is to wait until bandwidth prices go down. Fiber is becoming mainstream now so it's just a matter of time before enterprise connections become cheaper. Seems like it's all originating from the lack of bandwidth on their end.
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    I think my internet connection is crappy too. but I like MFC the only thing I suggest for them is when we ban a member it needs be permanent unless we remove it not just 6 hours or 60 days for the real live assholes. But yeah I don't much care for the encoder and I don't much care for my current internet service provider either oh well.

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    MFC does well because they don't use anywhere near the bandwidth that SM uses. I think they tried super HD for awhile, but they stopped it soon after. That site will not be affected. But they are smart, business-wise, for implementing the cam score thing, because girls who don't make enough money right away end up making pretty much no money because their cam score drops too low to attract customers. With SM, its not like that. You can always make money on that site even if its only $5-$10/hour.

    I don't think bandwidth costs are going to go down. That's like saying "oh now that we have alternative fuels, we can stop using oil!" Well, we *could*, but people are greedy & there's too much of a profit to be made using the same broken system. In addition, even if costs went down, the rate at which new models are signing up would probably exceed that or even it out. And also, they would have to upgrade equipment if things changed, and that costs a lot of money. I don't think that's going to happen.

    Companies like SM go into business knowing they'll be a fad. They won't be around forever, its inevitable. Some bigger & better site always comes along. So they just want to make the most money they can, as quickly as they can. They don't give a fuck about the models, as the models are very disposable. They just want to cover themselves legally and so they keep up the facade of "customer service" (which I'm pretty sure is outsourced to countries where people barely speak english... hence the *obvious* responses they always reply to us with).

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    I don't think bandwidth costs are going to go down. That's like saying "oh now that we have alternative fuels, we can stop using oil!" Well, we *could*, but people are greedy & there's too much of a profit to be made using the same broken system. In addition, even if costs went down, the rate at which new models are signing up would probably exceed that or even it out. And also, they would have to upgrade equipment if things changed, and that costs a lot of money. I don't think that's going to happen.

    Bottom line here is that adult webcam is just a small component of the rising demand for internetbackbone bandwidth. As Netflix et al continue to obsolete physical video media in favor of video streaming, as World of Warcraft et al continue to grow in number of players as well as video resolution, etc., internet gurus are already pointing out that existing internet backbone capacity is now being pushed near its limits.

    And what's actually necessary to expand that internet backbone capacity ? Tens of billions of dollars worth of investments by such companies as ( in the USA ) AT&T and Verizon, ( in the UK ) British Telecom etc. But these companies are not likely to make any such investment under current laws which essentially do not allow these telecom majors to actually recover the cost of said investment ... because they allow / force the telecom majors to provide internet backbone bandwidth to web servers using tremendous amounts of bandwidth ( like streaming video ) at price levels that don't reflect the 'actual cost of service'. The same is true on the retail customer side, where current laws force the telecom majors to charge retail customers using large amounts of bandwidth to stream Netflix movies the same price as customers who simply browse the web at high speed.

    Put another way, current pricing structures for internet backbone and retail internet service are based on 'peak speed' not 'bandwidth volume'. This is essentially the same as the Power Company charging every big business and every residence the same dollars per month in electric bill, with no difference in cost for homes with, say, all gas appliances and heat versus all electric appliances and heat. Corporate execs for the major telecom companies are already on record that this situation isn't economically viable any longer now that HD video and video streaming are chewing up far more bandwidth per customer than they were just a year or two ago.

    The same corporate execs for the major telecom companies are pushing very hard to institute 'volumetric' billling ... with one US example quoted as increasing the current US$40 per month residential cable modem service bill being increased to ~$160 per month for customers who consume large amounts of bandwidth. One can assume that the same sort of quadrupling of bandwidth costs would also apply to web servers. Until those sort of changes in billing / pricing actually take place, the telecom majors are not going to do anything to increase their existing internet backbone infrastructure ... meaning that even if a webcam host were willing to pay a bandwidth bill that is 4 times as high as it is today ( which would bankrupt the StreamMates and most other adult webcam host business models immediately ), there would still be insufficient internet backbone capacity available from the telecom majors to actually sustain HD video streaming to customers on a nationwide / international basis.

    As already discussed in other threads, the current adult webcam business model that is based on 'quantity' ... i.e. thousands of new camgirls trying their luck at camming ( and generating large bandwidth bills for their webcam host ) regardless of their actual webcam sales revenues they are able to generate, to a new business model based on 'quality' ... i.e. 7-8 out of every 10 existing camgirls being 'cut', with webcam hosts only being willing to provide high bandwidth streams ( at high cost to the webcam host ) for the 2-3 girls who consistently demonstrate the ability to achieve webcam sales revenue levels that actually exceed the webcam host's bandwidth costs.

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    Yeah but if they get to pass volumetric billing to us home users, we're all screwed. Would you pay $500USD a month for 100Mbit/s connections that limit how much data you can download per month and what content you can see with your package (like in cable TV, if you want more content, you have to pay more) when in Japan they're paying $60USD a months for symmetric 100Mbit/s connections that don't have such caps just because those American corporate monkeys are too greedy and want to screw us up and milk us? It's not fair. It's ok to be greedy, but there are limits for everything.

    There's more into this than "lack of profitability" for migrating to FTTH. Last I remember, American ISP's are making a LOT of money compared to what they have to invest each year in infrastructure and maintenance.
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    Yeah but if they get to pass volumetric billing to us home users, we're all screwed. Would you pay $500USD a month for 100Mbit/s connections that limit how much data you can download per month and what content you can see with your package (like in cable TV, if you want more content, you have to pay more) when in Japan they're paying $60USD a months for symmetric 100Mbit/s connections that don't have such caps just because those American corporate monkeys are too greedy and want to screw us up and milk us? It's not fair. It's ok to be greedy, but there are limits for everything.

    There's more into this than "lack of profitability" for migrating to FTTH. Last I remember, American ISP's are making a LOT of money compared to what they have to invest each year in infrastructure and maintenance.

    But, that's for another discussion.

    Either way, if we can't provide quality services, the customers won't be happy, therefore, we won't make money. It's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Bottom line here is that adult webcam is just a small component of the rising demand for internetbackbone bandwidth. As Netflix et al continue to obsolete physical video media in favor of video streaming, as World of Warcraft et al continue to grow in number of players as well as video resolution, etc., internet gurus are already pointing out that existing internet backbone capacity is now being pushed near its limits.

    And what's actually necessary to expand that internet backbone capacity ? Tens of billions of dollars worth of investments by such companies as ( in the USA ) AT&T and Verizon, ( in the UK ) British Telecom etc. But these companies are not likely to make any such investment under current laws which essentially do not allow these telecom majors to actually recover the cost of said investment ... because they allow / force the telecom majors to provide internet backbone bandwidth to web servers using tremendous amounts of bandwidth ( like streaming video ) at price levels that don't reflect the 'actual cost of service'. The same is true on the retail customer side, where current laws force the telecom majors to charge retail customers using large amounts of bandwidth to stream Netflix movies the same price as customers who simply browse the web at high speed.

    Put another way, current pricing structures for internet backbone and retail internet service are based on 'peak speed' not 'bandwidth volume'. This is essentially the same as the Power Company charging every big business and every residence the same dollars per month in electric bill, with no difference in cost for homes with, say, all gas appliances and heat versus all electric appliances and heat. Corporate execs for the major telecom companies are already on record that this situation isn't economically viable any longer now that HD video and video streaming are chewing up far more bandwidth per customer than they were just a year or two ago.

    The same corporate execs for the major telecom companies are pushing very hard to institute 'volumetric' billling ... with one US example quoted as increasing the current US$40 per month residential cable modem service bill being increased to ~$160 per month for customers who consume large amounts of bandwidth. One can assume that the same sort of quadrupling of bandwidth costs would also apply to web servers. Until those sort of changes in billing / pricing actually take place, the telecom majors are not going to do anything to increase their existing internet backbone infrastructure ... meaning that even if a webcam host were willing to pay a bandwidth bill that is 4 times as high as it is today ( which would bankrupt the StreamMates and most other adult webcam host business models immediately ), there would still be insufficient internet backbone capacity available from the telecom majors to actually sustain HD video streaming to customers on a nationwide / international basis.

    As already discussed in other threads, the current adult webcam business model that is based on 'quantity' ... i.e. thousands of new camgirls trying their luck at camming ( and generating large bandwidth bills for their webcam host ) regardless of their actual webcam sales revenues they are able to generate, to a new business model based on 'quality' ... i.e. 7-8 out of every 10 existing camgirls being 'cut', with webcam hosts only being willing to provide high bandwidth streams ( at high cost to the webcam host ) for the 2-3 girls who consistently demonstrate the ability to achieve webcam sales revenue levels that actually exceed the webcam host's bandwidth costs.

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