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    Default Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    Besides club politics (ethnicity, weight, etc);

    Why does it seem like the people who hire are completely out of touch with reality???? In the past year, I've seen more and more management hire 1-3 girls and turn away 7-10's. Yet if the owners are around(and I have had this happen to me many times when I am walking to my car and he drives up in his Lambo), they hire higher quality girls and reject lower quality. Customers also complain about low quality girls but not too loud because they get easier extras (this isn't an extras politics rant either). Higher quality girls are popular with higher tier management and customers but hiring managers seem to hold some kind of high school cheerleader/nerd animosity

    Sooooo is this common in your region? Or is this just a South Florida thing where most men come for the full friction, full liquor, and full nudity?

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    Default Re: Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    ^ Lol, we often get an influx too.

    OP-This past year I've wondered what management must have been smoking during the auditions . Recently I’ve noticed a few like this slip through the cracks:
    *Alternative girls; tattoos, piercings, different colored hair, that shaved side look (idk the styles name). Alternative ladies look great, but, unfortunately they DO NOT do well at this inner city club.
    *Too overweight; not just thicker girls or slightly chubby girls, but very overweight girls (muffin [top] anyone?).
    *Older dancers (and by older I mean girls that LOOK like they should have retired, not gals that are hot and look good for their ages). I have nothing against gals in their late 30’s etc working, some of them are crazy hot, amazing dancers & very skilled at sales.
    *Lazy girls; girls who put NO effort into their appearance/look, make no real effort to interact with customers/hustle & who have bad attitudes. They are not necessarily new either (target aquired, activate sexy eyes & smile-that’s half the work done lol ).
    *Extras Girls; they have become more & more tolerant of extras girls.

    Needless to say, these girls often don’t last too long after the owners spot them-but in that case, why hire them at all?

    This string of clubs boasts “the hottest show girls in…”. And when I started here, years ago, ALL of the girls were AT LEAST a 7-10. If they were not up to par, they would be sent to a quieter sister club outside of the city or fired.

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    Default Re: Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    Simply put many clubs hire lower quality either because they are greedy or they are sleeping with the girl or will. I once worked at a club with two hiring managers. The one manager was superstrict and would only hire 7-10's. I auditioned for him and he told me he thought I was hot but I needed a better costume when I started. The other manager hired anything that walked in the door. There were obese girls, girls missing teeth, etc. He did this to try to make more money for house. Did it pay off? Nope the club ended up busted for prostitution.

    I have seen what BOTM mentions where an ugly blonde will often get hired for being blonde. This same club hired some attractive blondes but were way too large to dance. One girl was easily 200+ pounds around 5'4 or so. Her weight was in her stomach too which made her look even fatter. But she had huge boobs and blonde hair so she was hired.

    Related to this I have been rejected from clubs because I am dark but then they hired a fat blonde. I never understood this logic in rejecting someone with a pretty face and fantastic figure (well back then) over a flabby ugly girl.

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    Default Re: Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    I am not from your area, but in general I think some managers just need the numbers for house fees. They are not really concerned with how these girls will reflect on the actual club...
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    Default Re: Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    There are not enough drop dead gorgeous girls to go around. If a girl is THAT hot she probably isnt going to be a stripper anyway so management has to factor in their ability to "upgrade" a girl. I know ALOOOOT of strippers who look hot in the club but in the dressing room when the makeup comes off theyre really average. Just like most celebs are average without makeup.

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    Default Re: Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gracefulways View Post
    I am not from your area, but in general I think some managers just need the numbers for house fees. They are not really concerned with how these girls will reflect on the actual club...

    Yeah, I definitely think this is one of the reasons too. Miami alone has over 40+ clubs I think, and it is FILLED to the brink with low quality, ratchet-y, streetwalker-type girls. Miami is extras paradise, sex is the norm in the clubs so MIA has always had a low quality average. But I think my eyes rolled out of my head when a "tracks all over my arms and feet heroin chic string for hair falling out" girl walked in to the DR and the mgr (if he even is the manager bc a lot of bouncers like to pretend they matter down here) is giving me crap.

    The only problem is their are no custies! Season also hasn't come in here hard at all. It's only now picking up. Guys seem to be staying up in Tampa/Central FL/maybe WPB? That's good because I love to work those clubs.

    I only come back home for holidays and special events so I'll be glad to be gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Simply put many clubs hire lower quality either because they are greedy or they are sleeping with the girl or will. I once worked at a club with two hiring managers. The one manager was superstrict and would only hire 7-10's. I auditioned for him and he told me he thought I was hot but I needed a better costume when I started. The other manager hired anything that walked in the door. There were obese girls, girls missing teeth, etc. He did this to try to make more money for house. Did it pay off? Nope the club ended up busted for prostitution.

    I have seen what BOTM mentions where an ugly blonde will often get hired for being blonde. This same club hired some attractive blondes but were way too large to dance. One girl was easily 200+ pounds around 5'4 or so. Her weight was in her stomach too which made her look even fatter. But she had huge boobs and blonde hair so she was hired.

    Related to this I have been rejected from clubs because I am dark but then they hired a fat blonde. I never understood this logic in rejecting someone with a pretty face and fantastic figure (well back then) over a flabby ugly girl.
    SMH. You would think a pretty face and fantastic figure would get you into ANY club. Seems like you need a gut, dirty hair, and a habit to get hired around here. Lower quality girls in general are easier to control. They are also more easily taken advantage of (not all obviously). I've had a manager tell me that he can barely keep day girls as it is, if he hires me, then he'd really have a problem.

    Sorry but does mgmt see the type of girls are beginning to dominate the clubs?? Girls that would have been blown off a mile away. Customers do notice. But what can they do? They just feel like they have to choose between a hairless chihuahua and Freddy Kreuger.

    A top earner can be any quality. But I bet more high quality girls are top earning the low quality top earners. I top earn everywhere I work. Managers actually don't like this unless you're diverting a good percent of that money to them. I think THIS is a key issue with mgmt and their choices in hiring low vs high quality girls.

    The 2nd club I ever worked at had no problem with me till I began top earning. Even though the club was taking money off of my VIPs and dances, I ridiculously out-earned the other girls. I continued to tip out nicely, but never stupid high. They started sending me home after 2-4 hours of work so I left.

    I've noticed this trend with other high quality top earners. Maybe they think it's easier to pimp low quality girls. When thousands of dollars in cash are flowing around, they want their cut. They don't want to fight with "Pamela Anderson" who the men and their money love and will follow to the next club, losing sales (LD, VIP, liquor, etc) in a variety of ways. They'd rather hire Hilary Clinton who is not a loss if she leaves.

    I think it also has to do with how much $$ the club makes in general. Is it a popular club (Vegas or MiddleofNowhere, Idaho)?

    Is the club a high or low quality average (high quality lets me keep my money with a smile, low wants to commit grand larceny once I turn away from my locker)?

    Is management thinking about short-term sales (alcoholics/addicts/pimp'd girls who will turn high sales for their fix/pimp/whatever but will get fall asleep giving a dance, causes trouble with other girls or customers, or get caught selling drugs or other things) or are they thinking about long-term sales (quality girls. PERIOD)

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    Default Re: Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    Quote Originally Posted by BringOnTheMen View Post
    I have seen managers hire low quality girls just because they needed more blondes. I have also seen new blondes become "VIP girls" just because they were blonde (or in one case, a very beautiful brunette) even though they had no social skills or were extremely lazy. At my last club, me and my extremely lazy friend were new and because she was hot and blonde the manager adored her, so he immediately began handing her off to the VIPs. He ended up having to chase her out of the DR because she would always get bored and leave these customers, even though they were spending. And if she wasn't having fun in the CR, she would leave without asking to renew. Not exactly the qualities of a good VIP girl.

    I also had a manager constantly bring in VIPs but they weren't spenders, they would just expect free dances (and extras!) and harass the girls who wouldn't do it! They were probably getting free bottle service too...I'm so glad I'm no longer working at that club anymore. That manager is the biggest fucking retard I've ever met.

    I'm glad you got the heck out of there too! And yes the reverse of my complaint is true too. A high quality girl who doesn't know zip about dancing/sales (and is getting help from a manager at that) needs to take a gigantic step to the left right out of the club or turn to waitressing.

    I don't understand why it's so hard for owners to find good managers???? Why do most have the brain the size of a pea? Where do owners even find them?? Why don't they have a higher turn over rate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OliveJardin View Post
    ^ Lol, we often get an influx too.

    OP-This past year I've wondered what management must have been smoking during the auditions . Recently I’ve noticed a few like this slip through the cracks:
    *Alternative girls; tattoos, piercings, different colored hair, that shaved side look (idk the styles name). Alternative ladies look great, but, unfortunately they DO NOT do well at this inner city club.
    *Too overweight; not just thicker girls or slightly chubby girls, but very overweight girls (muffin [top] anyone?).
    *Older dancers (and by older I mean girls that LOOK like they should have retired, not gals that are hot and look good for their ages). I have nothing against gals in their late 30’s etc working, some of them are crazy hot, amazing dancers & very skilled at sales.
    *Lazy girls; girls who put NO effort into their appearance/look, make no real effort to interact with customers/hustle & who have bad attitudes. They are not necessarily new either (target aquired, activate sexy eyes & smile-that’s half the work done lol ).
    *Extras Girls; they have become more & more tolerant of extras girls.

    Needless to say, these girls often don’t last too long after the owners spot them-but in that case, why hire them at all?

    This string of clubs boasts “the hottest show girls in…”. And when I started here, years ago, ALL of the girls were AT LEAST a 7-10. If they were not up to par, they would be sent to a quieter sister club outside of the city or fired.
    One time when I was dancing in Texas, there was a dancer who literally reminded me of a bobble head skeleton. You could see her entire skeletal frame. Her head was big with rat-nest extensions. And I'm pretty sure she was 101... okay more like 50 something. But yeaah... lol I'm sure she wasn't just dancing for money either.

    Do you think maybe quality girls are getting tired of the way the club is going now?? It is getting more "customer friendly" so maybe some girls don't want to keep up with the rising bar...
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    Default Re: Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    At least it is not like up here where the DJ runs the show at most of the clubs. Heck many clubs do not have bouncers and there is no such thing as management. Ok, well a few clubs I have worked at had doormen, but they had nothing to do with the hiring practices.

    I like variety in a club and a relaxed atmosphere. Too much of one thing is never good. Customers have different preferences and many like to see a variety of different types of dancers. If a guy walks in to a club and sees nothing but 1-5s chances are he is probably going to walk out. However on the flip side a club with all 7-10s can be very cutthroat and some customers don't like the pressure the girls put on them to buy dances. Personally my all time favourite club was one that was located in a small city and was constantly busy with both customers and different dancers alike. Most of the dancers were traveling girls "just passing through" and a few were locals. In terms of looks the range was 1-10. I saw some real nasty looking bitches and other girls that looked like they could be in playboy. The club had lots of variety and the customers loved coming in. The dances were $10 table dances and there was a strict no touch rule for the customers (however girls were allowed to give close contact dances for $20-ie light grinding). Extras were strictly forbidden and if you were caught you got kicked to the curb. Besides there was no VIP so everything was visible by club staff. The house fee was $20 (about average for most places in Canada). I always earned money hand over fist at that club, heck my best night was there, which was $2,000.

    I worked at an upscale club where the house fee was high, and even though I never walked out with no money I constantly felt the pressure to sell. I would usually walk out of there with $200-$300, which was not too bad but boy did I ever feel like I worked for it as my feet were constantly sore from all the walking around to different tables.

    There is one particular dive of a club I will never go back to where all the girls and customers knew each other and there was sex going on in the back room. It was nasty. If any of you are in Toronto and know about the clubs in Mississauga, you have probably heard of this club or god forbid been inside the place. Extras are the norm there and you must be careful and watch your step as you go to the booths as you could find a used condom! The quality over there was poor and I think all the owners cared about was collecting that house fee.
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    Default Re: Why do most hiring managers have a disconnect with what actual customers want?

    ^Haha. You could be describing MANY 'Sauga clubs.

    There really does seem to be a huge dissconnect between what the customers like, and what the managers hire. May have something to do with the manager not being able to look past their personal preference, or perhaps having outdated ideas of what 'attractive' or a 'good quality' dancer is.

    We say it all the time about male customers; beauty is subjective. The same can be said about managers.



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    The other manager hired anything that walked in the door. There were obese girls, girls missing teeth, etc. He did this to try to make more money for house. Did it pay off? Nope the club ended up busted for prostitution.
    Unfortunately, from a stone cold economic standpoint, it's entirely possible that the club ( or the particular manager ) is earning way more money from 'extras' girls !!! And the fact that the club was busted usually only means 'free advertising' to attract new customers expecting to receive 'extras'. With extremely few exceptions, after a club bust it is the busted dancers and not the club who bear the legal consequences. And ironically, a dancer already busted for prostitution once essentially faces no additional consequences from subsequent busts ( except the $1000 fine or whatever ).


    string of clubs boasts “the hottest show girls in…”. And when I started here, years ago, ALL of the girls were AT LEAST a 7-10. If they were not up to par, they would be sent to a quieter sister club outside of the city or fired.
    For better or worse, the whole concept of 'show girls' and 'show clubs' ... i.e. that the club business model revolved around hot dancers putting on a good 'show' ... has now become all but extinct. This is partly due to a court ruling that denied business expense tax deductions for entertaining customers at strip clubs ( ruled to be sex discrimination against female salespeople ) which caused a ton of business guys to stop patronizing clubs. It's also partly due to the poor economy putting huge pressure on business profits such that expenses are now watched like a hawk. At any rate, this has caused a fundamental change in the strip club customer base over the course of the past decade. And today, arguably, many strip club customers are far less interested in what they can 'see', and much more interested in what they can 'feel' !!! From that standpoint, toothless dancers may have more appeal to certain paying customers ( and clubowners who profit accordingly ) than dancers who are 'clean' 10's !!!

    PS this transition was the major reason that I chose to retire from live dancing !!!

    Also, in accordance with Gresham's Law ( I think ! ), a small minority of club customers actually comprises a large percentage of dancer and club earnings. Hot but 'clean' dancers attracting 100 club customers who will pay the cover charge, buy two drinks, and tip a few bucks at the stage don't provide anywhere near the revenues for the clubowner that a 'dirty' dancers' VIP room sales / private dance sales / kickbacks do, even if they only 'service' 25 customers.

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    In my career as a stripper I've encountered many managers whose intelligence mmust have been, to put it nicely, pretty sub-par. Seriously, I don't know where they find those people. Even the dumbest stripper in the club most of the time would be a better manager.
    Which also correlates with why they are hiring girls that are only their type, or also in some cases any girl that walks in the door.
    They are just too dumb too see that this isn't a good idea.

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    I've always found the hiring by hair color thing ridiculous. Unless it was made clear to ugly blonde girl that she only got hired cause she's blonde, what happens when she dyes it brown? I know my hair definitely varies from month to month.

    Plus a good dancer who shows up at a club and realizes there are no blondes is going to probably dye it or wear a wig pretty quick, unless she looks awful. I'm naturally a blonde but enjoy being the only redhead at my club.

    Club managers are ridiculously hit and miss. Two years ago, my club was full of older extras girls. Now there's none and our average age is a lot lower... I don't know where these 'managers' come from.

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    I have worked at clubs that hired anything that wasn't fat. So we had hot girls and we also had a bunch of old chicks with dentures, but they weren't fat so it was ok.... Maybe I should have kept this story to myself.

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