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    TL; DR: Many "time wasters" actually WANT to be sold. They get off on being hustled in exactly the right way. Memorize comebacks for every type of refusal or obstacle you can encounter in a sale, adjust your delivery to suit their personality type, and act as though you already know they want to spend.

    It's fair to say that most (if not all) of these guys suck and should be avoided if possible. However, most are good for at least a quick $25-60 (and sometimes much more!) in my experience but ONLY if you say exactly the right things, maintain control of the conversation, and give off an air of confidence and obliviousness to the fact that they're being deliberately difficult. Granted, my club has no VIP so needless to say I've never hustled these guys into spending a grand in an hour. But to me, it's worth taking a risk that a difficult customer will only get 1-3 $25 dances because I can make a sale to another customer within the next song or two (using the following techniques if necessary) unless it's absolutely dead.

    Customers who want to talk before a dance/interrogate you about your personal life: Answer their first couple questions briefly without giving them much to respond to. If you say that you're a student, tell them your major but not what you're interested in specifically, and say that you don't know what you want to do with your life yet. If they ask what you do in your free time, do not say you have a hobby. You either have no free time, you like to party but ONLY at house parties (do not say you like to go out or else they will ask where and talk about OTC!!). If the guy is a white knight allude to some vague sob story but say you don't want to talk about it, etc. Say that dancing is your REAL passion because you can explore your sensual side, but you have to deliver the line in the way that will make it most believable -- to a guy who wants a "real" connection, say it in a normal tone of voice and add in an "I know you won't believe me but...", if they're partying you can lay it on thicker, etc. I usually go with the former though. Then ask if you can show them. Most of the time this works for me. If they say that they want to talk more and they're one of those "connection" customers, say that you'd love to have a conversation without worrying about money and say it would make your night if you could make an arrangement (or go into VIP if this is an option in your club). Then say what you make per song, multiply by how long they want to talk, maybe throw in a $20 discount because they're so great, etc. They tend to say yes. Act very grateful, relieved, and maybe even apologize that it has to be like this. If they say no to both of these options and you've done your job correctly, you've only wasted one or two songs!

    Customers who whine about their horrible lives: Similar to the above. Cut them off ASAP and say you know what it's like to have hard times, but sometimes simple pleasures, like dances, can much more than you'd guess. If he just wants to talk, express a lot of sympathy and remorse that you have to worry about money; you're sorry it has to be this way but need to make $X an hour because of some financial obligation. 60% success rate.

    Guys who "aren't ready": Avoid this problem in the first place by making sure you're not the first girl who approaches them (unless you have to do this to compete in your club). If you do this by accident or there's no one else, pretend you didn't see him come in, apologize for not letting him get settled, but say you can tell he's someone who likes to have fun/is adventurous/whatever and offer to get his night started off this way. If they're obviously shy it's harder, though. Your best bet is probably to apologize and give him half an hour. If the customer has already been there a while and says they're not ready, GO BACK!! Chances are they will get more drunk and easily manipulated.

    Sales guys who "know the game": "Great! Obviously we can just skip the hustle and have some fun right away!" If they give you more shit, then you need to impress them with your own sales skills. Tell them they're going to get a dance eventually even if they protest that it's not their thing (here you play like you're oblivious to their time wasting) and say they should get one from you because you sell the most dances. When they say you're using a line, play up the fact that you're so much more confident about your dances than any other girl who's approached them and that they should find out why. You can play into their egos by saying you can tell that the cost of a dance is paltry compared to what they must make from commission because as one salesperson to another, you can tell from the vibe that they give off they they're great at it. This entire interaction should take less than half a song. Most of the time they say that they have to get a dance with me even if they don't like them in general because they respect my sale skills. In some cases, they'll try to recruit you instead of saying yes to a dance. Say that you do so well that you can't justify leaving, and once again tell them to find out why. These guys have such low expectations of strippers that they will be shocked and awed. Near 100% success rate with this one!!!!

    Guys who ask for your real name: offer to give them a letter for every dance if it looks like they have the money, and if they don't adjust accordingly (like more letters per dance, say that it's only 4 letters, whatever). If it looks like they're only good for a dance or two hem and haw and look around and say that you want to but can't because you're worried X customer might hear it, so you need to go somewhere more private. Fake real name obviously. I get around 60% success rate with this. If you have good rapport with a customer who wants your phone number, make up a fake phone number and give him a fake number for every dance he gets! This is maybe a 20% success rate but worth a try.

    Guys that will "take care of you": "What a relief!!! You're gonna start now, right? I can't wait to get my mind off money and relax with you." Lower success rate but sometimes it works.

    Try to help with hustle: Obviously he doesn't think highly of you so it can't hurt to say that your hustle sucks because you're new at this and aren't confident in your dances yet. Customers say they loooove them but you're not sure if they're just being nice. Ask if he can give you honest feedback on your dances.

    Wants to see every dancer on stage: "Are you sure? That'll take hours!... Blah blah blah I always conserve all my energy onstage so I can give amazing dances, you'll enjoy a dance from me so much more than my stage dancing."

    Cheap pervs looking for extras: If the club is empty and you have no other choice, "We can talk about what you wanna do in the private room, I'm too nervous to say anything out on the floor." "Let's turn each other on in the booth first, I love the buildup!" "If you don't get some dances how can I know you have money baby!" Dunno if these border on illegal though. I generally avoid doing this.

    I'm sick of typing but I think everyone gets the idea.
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    Default Re: How to spot a time waster

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    Any guy whose first question are "where are you from"? "what is your nationality"? are ALWAYS time wasters!!

    I once remember another dancer being upset with me because I "insulted" her customer by turning him down when the first thing he asked was the nationality question.
    99% They ask me and they get dances. I did not have any problem.. I m not sure maybe its so obvious i am not American... they must be curious

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    Default Re: How to spot a time waster

    Know the difference between a window shopper(which is someone who is looking to spend) and someone who is there to check out "the scene" aka the time waster. You can tell the difference. Window shopper doesn't want to make it obvious. He stays in one spot, discreetly looking around. The scene checker/time waster is walking around like he's in his apartment, looking at everything...wanting to be notice. That fucker wants a stripper's time for free.

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    Default Re: How to spot a time waster

    The guy who doesn't want to go to the VIP room, but wants to find a dark corner some where on the main floor to grope you(obviously). I refuse to dance for a guy who really wants that dark corner on the main floor. CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP!!! IF I do, i'm holding his hands the whole entire time.

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    Cheap bachelor parties: Tell the alpha and the bachelor that you want to give him a special bachelor dance. If the alpha doesn't pay but the bachelor is interested, try to separate each member of the party and say that you need $X for the bachelor's dance. This isn't a question, but a demand.

    Men from out of town who brag about extras they get in other clubs (only applicable if your club isn't known for extras, though): Act SO excited to meet a guy who will be a challenge. Say that you love to make bets that guys like him will enjoy your dances anyway because you know how to "make up" for the lowered contact. 99% of the time they won't ask for the details of the bet, so if they're still not satisfied and demand their money back (never has happened to me) you won't feel pressured into doing that. Stress that they should at least give your club a chance, or if they've received a dance they didn't like from another dancer, that every girl's dances are different wink wink. I'm not kidding you, this works 90% of the time for me. Focus more on light backrubbing/breathing in their ear instead of showing off your body and they'll probably be pleasantly surprised. I've stacked dances with many of these men.

    Obvious PUA's: Call them on their shit but say they seem good at it. Treat them like you would a salesman basically.

    Guys who ask if you want to work or have fun: You have the most fun doing both and so will they!

    Say they can't dance: I'm gonna teach you some moves!

    Older couples with a surly wife: Focus your hustle 100% on her, compliment her, say that you're a little jealous of their sexual adventurousness and wish you'll have a relationship like that someday, etc. Tell the man you would love to dance for the woman. Tell the woman that you go out to clubs with your man, you worried at first, but as soon as you got dances together and had the best sex in years you became addicted. Again, this works almost every time, except when the woman is obviously in tears over the situation.

    All of this depends on delivery. Again, until your 2 minute time limit is up, ALWAYS act like you expect a sale no matter what they say. You can get away with an extremely aggressive hustle if you smile. These are things I wish I knew years ago. I work in a small club in a small town with no VIP, yet I make big city money. Before I started developing these lines, I was probably an average to low earner.
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    It's really difficult to make money at the clubs in this town (stupid economy hit us hard!) so I NOW only consider a time waster as someone who won't buy a single dance or tip. I used to think of them as anyone who would only buy a few cheap floor dances (instead of VIP) or only tip. That being said....I notice the customers who talk talk talk and won't let you get a word in edgewise will not buy dances or even tip. They're just looking for free company and might offer to buy a drink but definitely no dances. Sometimes customers who say "sit and talk with me first" will buy A SINGLE dance, but they tend to be jerks and not nearly worth the effort. Contrary to what someone else mentioned earlier, 99% of the time I immediately get a dance from a customer who rearranges their legs/seating to accomodate me. That must be a regional thing.

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    Default Re: How to spot a time waster

    my faorite line was always the "baby don't try to hustle a hustler!!" god that made me so damn mad....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    How to spot a time waster.....

    A brash display of these techniques: http://strippershark.com/stripclub/video/
    This shit makes me want to punch him really REALLY hard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    How to spot a time waster.....

    A brash display of these techniques: http://strippershark.com/stripclub/video/
    What a complete douchetard!
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    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    When they say they're also in sales and "get" it.
    Ive actually hustled one of these types before. It was a tough sale! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxrc0310 View Post
    my faorite line was always the "baby don't try to hustle a hustler!!" god that made me so damn mad....
    I had to reply to this one too. My best customer is a "hustler" in the fine arts of Mary Jane and he says that shit to me all the time...usually before I take him to a champagne room or for a bed dance. Lol just remember: we have something that they don't...boobies. And hustlers usually have all the money, unless they're posers. Lol I hustle that hustler for a grand a week! Hahah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    How to spot a time waster.....

    A brash display of these techniques: http://strippershark.com/stripclub/video/
    I love how he's a time waster even in his video. I'll admit I listened to that shit for about 5 minutes and there was absolutely no content aside from "strippers are sluts," "don't spend money," and "I'm gonna tell you these lines later."

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    I disagree that asking where you're from is a time waster question. Almost every guy asks me that. It's just small talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    How to spot a time waster.....

    A brash display of these techniques: http://strippershark.com/stripclub/video/
    "stripper-brain" lololololol omggg!!! Is he for real?! I hope no one actually pays 40 bucks for that crap!!!

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    This guy is delusional. He is just proof that dancers can brainwash men to believe anything. I hope to God no one is actually paying $40 for this "system". And another thing I have a pretty good feeling that any dancer who fell for this guy, is a dumb girl! The girls on this site are a lot smarter than what he makes us out to be.
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    Acts like a millionaire and brags and then when told the minimum price hums and hars and looks horrified and then makes an excuse and then says "in a minute, have a another drink" this and that. fuckers.

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    Guys who reluctantly agree to a dance, and then when the song starts up, say, "Oh I don't like this song, let's wait until the next one." Or they have agreed to a dance but just keep TALKING and TALKING and don't let you get a word in, so you end up sitting there for 2 or 3 extra songs before they'll acknowledge that a new song has started and let you start dancing. I also LOVVEEE the guys that agree to a dance, a new song starts, and then they talk for the first 10 seconds or so of the song and then when you start dancing tell you to wait for the next song to start cause this one already started. UGH!

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    The majority of men who insist in seeing you first on stage are usually time wasters especially if they are barely tipping.





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    oh oh "show me what you got first" AHHH! makes me want to scream. Definite time waster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    How to spot a time waster.....

    A brash display of these techniques: http://strippershark.com/stripclub/video/
    hahaha this is so funny!
    Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aperfectseal
    Guys who reluctantly agree to a dance, and then when the song starts up, say, "Oh I don't like this song, let's wait until the next one." Or they have agreed to a dance but just keep TALKING and TALKING and don't let you get a word in, so you end up sitting there for 2 or 3 extra songs before they'll acknowledge that a new song has started and let you start dancing. I also LOVVEEE the guys that agree to a dance, a new song starts, and then they talk for the first 10 seconds or so of the song and then when you start dancing tell you to wait for the next song to start cause this one already started. UGH!
    as soon as they're in the lap room my dance has started. If I'm at a bar where it is specified to start with the next song START on the next song. If they choose to talk through the dance then as far as I'm concerned that's their time they're wasting not mine. If they don't like the song the can fucking get over it. Lines you can use; sexy: "you'll be paying attention to me, not the song anyway" pity: "if I wait till the next song the club will charge me like I've done 2 songs " Bitch: "if you want to wait for the next song fine but you'll be paying me for that one and this one"

    If you do the dances just at the table and they're still talking then just start dancing,if they object then tough. You're dancing NOW.
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    The guys that try and make a game out of you asking for a dance... "C'mon sell it to me, tell me why I should get one with you" they just want you to beg to make them feel like a big dick, and never get a dance...or even tip you. I just walk away.

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    Most young guys after a sports game....

    At my club you get free admission with a game day ticket. Brings in tons of guests, But PAYING guests? Not so much. They'll stay for the 2 drink minimum, watch the flatscreens, & dip out after acting annoyed by us girls trying to entertain them. They just want to see free boobs, & drink the booze. But are cleared out after an hr or so. So its fun to bug 'em all

    Or theres the guys of the same game day category whose main objective of the night is to see who can piss of the stripper the fastest. Somebody literally told me thats what they do!

    Pathetic

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    To reiterate someone else's:

    ime...

    Guys smoking cigars. Don't even start me.

    Guys who say they want a dance, but "don't like this song". Grrrrrr. Try working here honey you won't like any of these songs!

    To piggyback off above, this same guy will usually take out his iphone to show you pics of his precious kids while waiting for the next song to start, which invariably takes more than one song, while I'm supposed to sit there like the freaking stripper with a heart of gold cooing over some strangers rugrats. I wonder how someone's emo eleven yr old daughter would feel knowing her picture is being flashed around town to random strippers at bars? It's just not right.

    Guys who talk to you for two minutes and ask if they can facebook you.

    Guys who say they don't want a dance but need your schedule for next week because they're having a really big bachelor party and will be renting out the whole vip area and want to make sure you'll be there because you're the finest girl in the club. But tonight they can't get even one dance.

    I'm sure I'll think of more....

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    Did we say guys who say: yes, but let me finish the beer? I turn right around on this one..

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