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    Default Career limiting- does it all come out in the wash?

    Apologies if this is posted under the wrong forum. I know it's been discussed at length in 'stripping general'. I've worked as a licensed dancer for many years while holding down a fulltime 'straight'' job/career the whole time- i have a degree and work in media/marketing/advertising industry. I'm recently considering a major career change and even going Back to university or college for something totally different. My question is what industries/fields do you think will not accept a former or licensed dancer? Vs What industries will not necessarily require a background check? From a legal standpoint my record is totally clean.

    I understand issues with child care professions and education. What about police work, law or medicine- or even finance? What are your thoughts? Any steps I can possibly take to equip myself for potential backlash? Are many things now off limits? I've been prepared for this possibility but hate to limit my dreams.

    I Would love to hear any feedback. Thanks in advance!

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    Point 1 - ALL fields will accept a former licensed exotic dancer or adult webcam girl ... if they are unaware of that history ! So the important question then becomes what fields, or what specific prospective employers, will choose to investigate thoroughly enough to 'dig up' a prospective applicant's job history if she herself does not list it as part of her application's job history section.

    Point 2 - Criteria for background checks, and the 'depth' of background checks, varies widely both from field to field, as well as with different responsibility levels of different jobs within the same field. Obviously gov't agencies, law enforcement, private businesses performing work that involves 'bonded' or 'secure' aspects ( from pharmacy / medicine to banking to IT ) etc. are known to perform fairly deep background checks.

    Point 3 - today's limiting factor in regard to the 'depth' of background check is undoubtedly the time / effort / costs incurred by the prospective employer in performing such checks. In the extreme, a gov't agency or a corporation dealing in a sensitive field will undoubtedly expend large amounts of time / effort / expense to thoroughly investigate prospective employees for sensitive positions, while applicants for less sensitive positions will probably only be subjected to a cursory background check that is quick / easy / cheap. However, this present limitation may change significantly in the near future ... thanks to such new technologies as 'face recognition software', thanks to the newly emerging state gov't operated databases created by the National Health Care law, etc. If performing detailed and thorough background checks 5 years from now is as easy as entering a few keystrokes, the time / effort / expense will be reduced to the point where every potential job applicant may receive a level of scrutiny that is 'in depth' by today's standards.

    The latter is IMHO the most risky aspect ... and particularly so where professions involving professional licenses are concerned. I posted in another thread that I myself am a licensed Respiratory Therapist. I had obtained my college degree and professional license(s) many years ago before I ever started dancing. However, when license renewal time recently came around, a new background check was performed by the state licensing authority which did turn up my dancing related activities. This resulted in a fine for 'unprofessional conduct', as well as an official reprimand being entered into my professional license file ( which would have been immediately communicated to my present employer had I still been working in the field, and which is immediately visible to any prospective employer should I ever choose to seek work again as a Respiratory Therapist ).

    Put another way, even if one is successful in obtaining a 'straight job' without encountering 'problems' due to one's history of exotic dancing or adult webcamming TODAY, that does NOT mean that 'problems' won't still be encountered in the future. If and when that happens, the 'straight job' employer will potentially be faced with the option / mandate of dismissal, demotion etc., and other potential future 'straight job' employers will in turn have full knowledge of that exotic dancing / adult webcam past work history ( thanks to the reference check via the previous employer responsible for the firing / demotion ). And as the experience of one of my industry 'acquaintances' shows, this is not necessarily limited to employees with professional credentials or employees doing 'sensitive' work ...




    I would also point out that where your present media / marketing / advertising work is concerned ... as long as you're not being placed in a position with direct exposure to the general public i.e. spokesperson or model ... this is one of the few areas where employers probably won't care at all about having a prior adult industry background. Another area with similar lack of concern on the part of employers about prior work in an adult industry is wholesale / retail sales.

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    Default Re: Career limiting- does it all come out in the wash?

    Thanks for the response and info Melonie.

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    Default Re: Career limiting- does it all come out in the wash?

    Melonie that's a bit scary. When you were a dancer did you obtain a dancers license and did that come up? Or just the fact that you worked at a sc period. And if camming came up on a future intensive check, could one argue that they did the marketing or were apart of some other component of the site as a way to defend themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatGrrl View Post
    What about police work, law or medicine- or even finance?
    I can't help you with Canada, but medicine in the US will depend on the state. Most states do some sort of a background check before you can get a medical license and some before you are allowed to enroll in a medical school in the state (much fewer US medical schools perform a background check before they will accept you). What they're really looking for is any sort of child abuse, sexual offense or (especially) drug offense record, however. A few states might take exception to someone who had a dancer's license in the past, but only a few.

    Many institutional employers perform some sort of background check before hiring physicians, but what what really matters there is your record after you've been licensed. A few might have a problem with someone who was an exotic dancer in the past, but keep in mind that (depending on the specialty) there is a moderate-to-severe physician shortage in the US projected for the next decade or two. A community that's really desperate for a psychiatrist or primary care provider won't care if you worked as a licensed dancer in the past and have no arrest record.

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    ^^^ Hocko makes a legitimate point ... that 'undesireable' elements in a person's past work history being held against them in regard to continued / future employment are inversely proportional to the quantity of available / qualified applicants to replace them. Thus MD's and many other 'high demand' specialties won't face major issues as far as FINDING employment. However, this does NOT mean that an MD with a known history of exotic dancing won't wind up being turned down by a lucrative private practice LLP, but hired to work night shift in the local emergency room.


    When you were a dancer did you obtain a dancers license and did that come up? Or just the fact that you worked at a sc period.
    It actually happened in conjunction with a bogus club bust ( in a different state to boot ! ). I beat all of the bogus charges on appeal, but the record of the bust itself was enough to attract attention of my state licensing authority. As I said earlier, states' sharing of database info has been growing exponentially.


    And if camming came up on a future intensive check, could one argue that they did the marketing or were apart of some other component of the site as a way to defend themselves
    I suppose so. But this also assumes that you have already been hired for that 'straight job'. If it's found out by a pre-employment investigation, you may never get the chance to 'defend yourself' since alll that is likely to happen is that your resume' will be 'accidentally' lost !


    Most states do some sort of a background check before you can get a medical license
    Actually, as the result of the new National Health Care law, ALL US states now perform detailed background checks on all medical professional license applicants ... from MD's to RN's to X-Ray techs to Massage Therapists. This is the result of the new law establishing a higher 2nd tier 'reimbursement' rate for medical services performed by licensed and certified health care workers. And in a few states at least, the state professional licensing agency having already gone to the trouble of setting up to perform detailed background checks on medical professionals means that they can also perform similar background checks on other professions requiring professional licenses ( from engineering to real estate to brokerage ) at 'no extra cost'.


    And if camming came up on a future intensive check
    Where camming is concerned, unlike the literal 1000's of strip clubs scattered through the USA, there are really only a dozen major adult webcam host companies. All US based webcam hosts are required to issue 1099's to the IRS for payments made to camgirls. All Foreign based webcam hosts face IRS reporting at the US border ( under the terrorist anti-money laundering law ) when funds are transferred from a 'foreign' bank to the bank account of a US camgirl. Thus the probability of a background check turning up a social security number linkage between a prospective 'straight job' applicant and payments received from an adult webcam host is far higher for camgirls than it is for dancers at strip clubs ( well at least strip clubs that aren't part of well known national chains ).

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    I'm curious to know something: Would it be harder to connect the dots for camgirls OUTSIDE the US? I think we should discuss this on PM Melonie, since I have more specific questions. Would you like to guide me?
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    Would it be harder to connect the dots for camgirls OUTSIDE the US?
    I'm not sure exactly what you are asking ...

    - are you speaking of US resident camgirls working through foreign webcam host servers ?

    - are you speaking of non-US resident camgirls seeking 'straight jobs' in non-US countries ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    However, this does NOT mean that an MD with a known history of exotic dancing won't wind up being turned down by a lucrative private practice LLP, but hired to work night shift in the local emergency room.
    Actually, I suspect that a group practice or small partnership would be least likely to check for that sort of thing, while a state or county hospital would be most likely. Your point may be valid with respect to urban vs. rural practices, however. Rural communities are generally more desperate for physicians, so I suspect they would be less picky. Of course, depending on the specialty, rural practices tend to be more lucrative, so the issue isn't necessarily clear cut.

    My point about employers is that there are a lot of other things they need to screen for when hiring a physician, such as license suspensions and sanctions, malpractice settlements and DEA actions. If you find someone who is clear on all of that, keeps current in their specialty and isn't unbearable to work with, I can't imagine many people caring all that much about having had a dancers license 10 or 15 years in the past. I could easily see there being an issue with hiring a physician who is currently working as an exotic dancer, but I suspect that such cases are so rare that it's impossible to make any sort of meaningful generalizations.







    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Actually, as the result of the new National Health Care law, ALL US states now perform detailed background checks on all medical professional license applicants
    Of course, there's detailed and then there's detailed. For example, Pennsylvania performs a credit check while California does not. I'm sure that all states do some sort of screening, but I suspect that in many (if not most) it's more the bare minimum: drug, child abuse and sexual offenses and (possibly) license suspensions in other states.

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    ^^^ actually Hocko, there are already movements underway in both state capitals and in Washington DC to officially deny prospective employers the 'right' to use good / bad credit rating as a basis for evaluating employees. This comes from the same quarter that has already started a movement to officially deny prospective employers the 'right' to use a high school diploma ( versus lack thereof ) as a basis for evaluating unskilled employees. Both are being implemented via DOL / court precedent, which will essentially leave prospective employers open to future 'discrimination' lawsuits from rejected job applicants with bad credit ratings or no high school diploma unless they stop using these personal criteria when making hiring decisions !!!

    However, the 'unintended consequences' of these anti-discriminatory 'directives' to employers will be that OTHER personal criteria regarding prospective employees will be investigated more deeply and weighted more heavily when future hiring decisions are made. And obviously one of the OTHER personal criteria would be previous history in the adult entertainment industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ actually Hocko, there are already movements underway in both state capitals and in Washington DC to officially deny prospective employers the 'right' to use good / bad credit rating as a basis for evaluating employees.
    I never could find out why PA does (or did) that. The only thing I can imagine is that you're less likely to be tempted to run a pill mill if you don't have major financial problems. PA is also one of those states that won't let you enroll in medical school or sign a residency contract (much less get a license) if you have any sort of a controlled-substance conviction.

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    ^^^ again, when you are talking about a profession that requires a professional license, states have virtually unlimited discretion in setting whatever criteria for issuing professional licenses that they choose. The 'good moral character' requirement present in every state professional license application that I have ever heard of essentially gives the state the legal authority to deny any applicant a professional license, or to revoke the professional license of an already licensed professional, based on ... shall we say ... a 'subjective' jugdement on the part of the state's professional licensing board members ... as to what sort of past or present activities demonstrate a lack of 'good moral character'. Thus while 'stripping' or 'adult webcamming' may in fact be 100% legal, that does NOT mean that girls involved in such work will be considered of 'good moral character' when the time comes to apply for / renew a professional license. Obviously, the denial of / revocation of a professional license, or even the retention of a professional license but with an 'official reprimand' added to the file, will have a profound impact on that person's future ability to work in that field.

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    As for finance, nationally chartered banks are the most picky about a background check. Banks in general will do a credit check and if there are any adverse items, they do not want to hire. Adverse items in a credit report are late payments, tax liens, judgments and charge offs. Not your employment. In fact, most credit reports don't even try to say what your employment is or was. Background reports though will list employers who withhold. Skip traces will find all your previous residences as will a Lexis/Nexis person search. Do not be surprised to see a bank do a credit report, background report, criminal record check with the state and federal governments along with a skip trace, lexis/nexis and "google" you. There are services now that purport to check out a person's "online life" as well.

    Moving away from banks, next up is brokerages. They will do a credit check and again, adverse entries will probably disqualify you. Collection agencies might actually prefer people with adverse entries because they "know" the system. The CPA board does not do near as much checking as other state boards. They just give you a very difficult test and expect most people to fail. Their attitude is, we're going to flunk most people, so why spend a lot of effort checking them out.

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    PS, criminal record checks are not near as reliable as they would like you to think. The data is usually entered by bored, low paid, poorly trained clerical help rather than trained cops.

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