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    Quote Originally Posted by shift_6x View Post
    At no point did Brinker/Komen say she was going to renew grants with Planned Parenthood. They already were going to continue the existing ones with the recent decisions. (New Info/Not so good news)


    Yesterday, members of the Senate Education and Health stood firm in their commitment to the women of Virginia and helped defeat SB637, the 20-week abortion ban. This legislation was a direct threat to Roe V. Wade and made no exception for a woman's health or in cases of severe fetal abnormality (New Info/)
    I don't know this, but do you know the limit of having an abortion, like how many weeks? I support late term abortion for the health of the mother and fetal abnormalities. Last week church sponsored a movie about a woman who just becamse a saint because she chose to have her child knowing she would die. I'm sorry but if I became pregnant and it's between the life of my unborn child and me I will choose me.

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    As I see it, Roe. v. Wade has been decided.

    Why the Susan G. Komen Foundation, the government, or the-non-vagina-owning-candidates like Rick Santorum are discussing this issue at all... is beyond me.

    (Watch Ricky Santorum get all kinds of righteous in the most insane video clip you'll see all year: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012...bad-situation/ or here http://wonkette.com/461032/santorum-...-bad-situation )

    Seriously though, the backlash stemming from SGKomen's actions has sent a wake-up-call across the USA, letting them to know that the year is currently 2012... not 1620 as previously believed.
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    I HATE when men decide abortion. I am on a religious site and was arguing with these MEN who were telling me abortion was a bigger deal than the economy. I couldn't believe it. How anyone could feel abortion was a bigger problem is a moron. I have no problem with someone being against abortion, but for a man to say it's the worst issue ever is a total disconnect. I should mention most men I have known who were strongly anti abortion were also strongly anti women's rights in all respects.

    Btw, it just came across my info that Komen reinstated the money because of people being pissed off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Btw, it just came across my info that Komen reinstated the money because of people being pissed off.
    Yep. And some folks resigned too...

    Susan G. Komen Top Officials Resign As Backlash Gains Steam http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1250651.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I HATE when men decide abortion. I am on a religious site and was arguing with these MEN who were telling me abortion was a bigger deal than the economy. I couldn't believe it. How anyone could feel abortion was a bigger problem is a moron. I have no problem with someone being against abortion, but for a man to say it's the worst issue ever is a total disconnect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I HATE when men decide abortion. I am on a religious site and was arguing with these MEN who were telling me abortion was a bigger deal than the economy. I couldn't believe it. How anyone could feel abortion was a bigger problem is a moron. I have no problem with someone being against abortion, but for a man to say it's the worst issue ever is a total disconnect. I should mention most men I have known who were strongly anti abortion were also strongly anti women's rights in all respects.

    Btw, it just came across my info that Komen reinstated the money because of people being pissed off.
    I'm obviously pro-choice so i am not defending their opinion, but what you have to realize is that for them abortion is LITERALLY the murder of babies. You can't argue with them because they see you as a complete monster of Hitler proportions. Doesn't make them right in any way shape or form, it just makes them impossible to reason with.
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    Reading that I have to wonder why did they hire as Vice President a woman who ran on an anti PP agenda? That just seems twisted to me.

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    When life gives you lemons, make lemonade... then find someone whose life gave them vodka, and have a party.

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    So true^^^
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    I just don't see how abortion is murder. Can a fetus make decisions? or speak? NO. people need to back the fuck off and let a WOMAN decide how she wants to deal with an unwanted fetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboHips View Post
    I just don't see how abortion is murder. Can a fetus make decisions? or speak? NO. people need to back the fuck off and let a WOMAN decide how she wants to deal with an unwanted fetus
    While I agree with the second part of your post and support abortion rights, I don't think your argument against the pro-life position is exactly valid. A 3-month-old baby can't speak or make decisions either.

    I recognize that abortion is the termination of a life, but I still believe that women should have the ultimate decision on whether they want to carry a pregnancy to term. An unwanted child is better off not being born at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Reading that I have to wonder why did they hire as Vice President a woman who ran on an anti PP agenda? That just seems twisted to me.
    Looks like she just quit. Something that hasn't been mentioned at all is that apart from the 680k they cut from planed parent hood they also cut 12 million from stem cell research. They hire a crazy right wing nutjob and want to claim this cuts are not political at all? that's bullshit. And the damage is done, even if this lady quit they've already shown that i can't trust them with my money anymore.
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    ^^^ don't get too confident. 125 US Muslim Imams publicly objecting to 'mandatory' contraceptives ... with a few Imams threatening 'civil disobedience' by their congregations ... have drawn much new attention to the issue. And unlike Catholics or private charities, Muslims cannot be 'safely' ignored.

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    What does that have to do with anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Looks like she just quit. Something that hasn't been mentioned at all is that apart from the 680k they cut from planed parent hood they also cut 12 million from stem cell research. They hire a crazy right wing nutjob and want to claim this cuts are not political at all? that's bullshit. And the damage is done, even if this lady quit they've already shown that i can't trust them with my money anymore.
    Yes she did. Heehee
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    Bravo to Planned Parenthood for such an incredible PR campaign. Seriously, reading this stuff you would think that this is a case of a huge, evil organization withholding food and medicine from a village full of the starving and dying. The reality, of course, is that Susan B. Komen is the David and PP is the Goliath here, but you'd never know that from all of this press.

    The $650k that Komen was going to divert to other uses is actually a drop in the bucket of the $1 billion annual budget of PP. In fact, the federal gov't, not Komen, funds the vast bulk of cancer screenings done by PP. But you'd never know that by reading all of the silly nonsense presented in rags like the Huffington Post. Shit, in reading some of the garbage floating around out there, you'd think that Komen was about to shut down PP's cancer screening programs. LMAO.

    What a PR coup this has been for Planned Parenthood. It is too bad that is will likely come at the expense of an organization that, in its own right, does a lot of good. I suspect that this was never about the effect that losing $650k might have on the large and federally funded PP, but rather served as an opportunity for PP to get a ton of press, rally a lot of support and, of course, take in additional donations from outraged women.

    Now I'm not saying that PP does not do a lot of good for a lot of women - clearly it does. But IMHO they have handled this badly and have knowingly done a lot of damage to another good charitable organization for the sake of filling their own coffers. IMHO this has nothing to do with the small amount they were about to lose, but rather with what they could take in by playing the victim and generating outrage. I just hope that the Susan B. Komen charity does not pay the ultimate price for this maneuver.

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    You know what I fundamentally don't get about the whole abortion debate? WHY SHOULD ANYONE CARE about someone else's choice that DOESN'T AFFECT THEM? If a woman on the floor below me gets an abortion, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT ME? Am I going to offer to raise her unwanted fetus in lieu of the abortion?

    If you want an abortion, have one. If you don't, then don't. Totally floors me the asinine aspect of the whole argument. Pro-choice isn't anti-life- it's about the freedom to CHOOSE, whatever your choice may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mediocrity View Post
    You know what I fundamentally don't get about the whole abortion debate? WHY SHOULD ANYONE CARE about someone else's choice that DOESN'T AFFECT THEM? If a woman on the floor below me gets an abortion, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT ME? Am I going to offer to raise her unwanted fetus in lieu of the abortion?

    If you want an abortion, have one. If you don't, then don't. Totally floors me the asinine aspect of the whole argument. Pro-choice isn't anti-life- it's about the freedom to CHOOSE, whatever your choice may be.
    Exactly. I have stated many times I would likely never have an abortion unless I was raped or my life was in danger but I am not concerned with what a woman does with her body. I don't get why others care. Besides, let's not forget we all have different religious (or no religious)views and they vary. I met someone who protested at abortion clinics and I asked him why it bothered him. He said because of the "unborn babies". This guy btw opposes welfare too which I find hypocritical. Let's not forget that many who support abortion do not support it personally as in a choice they'd make.

    We all know the basic idea why people are opposed to abortion. Some truly are pro life and feel it's murder. I am not bothered by these people because they are doing other good things. I had a teacher like this. However, in many cases those who are anti choice are those who dislike that women have a choice to have kids or not or a choice in careers. If it was up to these individuals we would all be at home taking care of a husband and several kids. However not all of us want this, some do certainly but not all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ don't get too confident. 125 US Muslim Imams publicly objecting to 'mandatory' contraceptives ... with a few Imams threatening 'civil disobedience' by their congregations ... have drawn much new attention to the issue. And unlike Catholics or private charities, Muslims cannot be 'safely' ignored.

    http://www.selectsmart.com/DISCUSS/read.php?16,880760
    Did you read the whole article? The last line says:

    Did I say Muslims, imams, mosques and Sharia law? I meant to say Catholics, bishops, churches and Catholic doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ don't get too confident. 125 US Muslim Imams publicly objecting to 'mandatory' contraceptives ... with a few Imams threatening 'civil disobedience' by their congregations ... have drawn much new attention to the issue. And unlike Catholics or private charities, Muslims cannot be 'safely' ignored.
    If that is real then it's scary but proof of our society that forced Christians to believe certain things but not Muslims. I have my doubts though.

    Now this is reminding me of the whole Catholic issue about them wanting to offer birth control and that is a complex issue. The Catholic Church is against contraceptives and "true" Catholics do not use birth control. However most people aren't "true" Catholics and most people use birth control. The Catholic Church is angry that they have to offer birth control with insurance because it is opposed to their beliefs. Here's the problem though and that's not all employees are Catholics (though they try to hire Catholics).

    My opinion though is they shouldn't have to offer it but at the same time have options for those who want birth control. Personally I disagree with the church on this view because I find the idea of many kids scary to be honest. I do not want, nor did I ever want a large family. Interestingly, most of the Catholics I know maybe have 4 kids tops. The families I know with more kids aren't Catholic. Not to mention that many women are extremely high risk and if they have kids they may die or be injured so this to me conflicts with the idea of pro life because if one is saying it's fine to allow a woman to die so her baby may live is anti life.

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    What does that have to do with anything...
    what it has to do with the issue is to show that 'perception' matters more than principle. Komen's change in position was arguably precipitated by something other than someone's personal change of mind ! The 'timing' of the widespread announcement by US Muslim Imams co-incides almost exactly with Komen's 'change of mind'. And while mainstream US media was very comfortable 'ignoring' the Catholic position for weeks and months, they were obviously not so comfortable ignoring the Muslim position.

    Did I say Muslims, imams, mosques and Sharia law? I meant to say Catholics, bishops, churches and Catholic doctrine
    arguably, that was hyperbole to amplify the point that the Catholic position has been more or less ignored while the Muslim position has been taken seriously.

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    Now I'm not saying that PP does not do a lot of good for a lot of women - clearly it does. But IMHO they have handled this badly and have knowingly done a lot of damage to another good charitable organization for the sake of filling their own coffers. IMHO this has nothing to do with the small amount they were about to lose, but rather with what they could take in by playing the victim and generating outrage. I just hope that the Susan B. Komen charity does not pay the ultimate price for this maneuver.
    I'd say quite the opposite, the Susan Komen foundation handled this horribly and harmed themselves while benefiting PP. PP didn't have to do anything, in fact they didn't do anything at all, and still came out way ahead. I hope it DOES play the ultimate price, people aren't going to stop donating to charity because one foundation disappears. If it takes them going down to show the effects of trying to play politics with a charity that is in the end a gain for everyone.
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    I'd say quite the opposite, the Susan Komen foundation handled this horribly and harmed themselves while benefiting PP. PP didn't have to do anything, in fact they didn't do anything at all, and still came out way ahead. I hope it DOES play the ultimate price, people aren't going to stop donating to charity because one foundation disappears. If it takes them going down to show the effects of trying to play politics with a charity that is in the end a gain for everyone.
    Last year, the Komen Foundation donated $300 million to a variety of womens' causes. You would really want to see that disappear all because Komen threated to divert $650k from an organization with a $1 billion budget? And it was not as if it would not have gone to another women's charity in any event, just not Planned Parenthood, which really wouldn't have missed the money much anyway.

    It sounds like a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me. And, contrary to your assertion, not all charities are created equal and not all charitable giving would remain the same in the absence of targeted fundraising for specific issues. The Komen fundraising network would not be easily replaced and, in fact, I have no doubt that there are many individuals and organizations that are donating to the Komen Foundation who would never donate directly to an organization like Planned Parenthood, for a variety of political, PR and personal reasons. Net-net, IMHO the loss of the Komen Foundation could be a tremendous blow to a variety of organizations that provide services to at-risk women.

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    If they ceased to exist another foundation would take its place, hopefully one that doesn't try to bring in right wing politics into charity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    If they ceased to exist another foundation would take its place, hopefully one that doesn't try to bring in right wing politics into charity.
    IMHO that is an emotional response based upon your dislike of the organization's views on certain matters rather than a logical one. It took years for this Foundation to build the large scale fundraising operations that it has today, including not only the gound-level networks necessary to hold the walks and other fundraising events but also a variety of partnerships with large corporate sponsors, including the likes of the NFL, KFC, grocery store chains, and many others. All of that will not be replaced overnight, regardless of who tries to fill the void.

    But while we are at it, if we are going to blow up organizations because they have certain social policy viewpoints, we would also have to take down organizations like Catholic Charities, which spends billions each year helping the poor and is in fact the largest provider of social services in this country outside of the federal government. And what about the Salvation Army as another example? It is not realistic to think that you can separate charitable organizations from having opinions on social matters as the very reason that these entities raise so much money in the first place is because their views reflect the values of many of their donors.

    Anyway, just a couple of thoughts on the matter.

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