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    When I go I want to be seduced..starting with the eyes..a dance..from a Pro

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    I've met only one dancer who could make me buy a dance just by the enthusiasm she exuded, whether her enthusiasm was real or contrived. I believe I am a active consumer of the "JayATee" style dance in certain locations, without ever having had the actual "JayATee" dance. I don't know a dancer under 25 who has mastered the craft of exotic dancing and believe the ability to learn is diminished by what goes on in clubs today. I continue to be entertained in clubs today, but the art of dancing is disappearing.

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    So when I ask, why do you go, I'm not asking for the obvious "to have a hot 20 something on my lap". I'm well aware of that side of things. I'm more asking, do you miss what the clubs used to be like (because I do) or do you prefer the younger generation of dancers that seem to be all about the sexual and not at all about the sensual.
    I go to relax, I go to have fun. I go because I know I'll feel better when I leave than I did when I went in...

    I'm 54 and have been clubbing in earnest since 1984. There were no lap dances back then. There was no contact. There wasn't even much reason for the dancers to circulate in the club between their stage sets. Many didn't. I had to coax my first ever ATF into joining me by sending a drink back to her in the dressing room. Yes, I tipped for conversation back then! Back then there was mystery. Beautiful women came out from behind the curtain, danced and actually did something called a strip tease. Four or five songs, first the gown came off, then the top, then the full bottoms-down to the g-string, then maybe a blanket and some floor work. By the time she was naked you had elevated to the status of goddess. I still have a white fishnet stocking that a dancer peeled off and handed to me 25 years ago at the end of one of her stage shows. Every once in a while I come across it and I immediately remember Samantha. I remember her eyes, her lips, her smile and her amazing body. She mesmerized me for 20 minutes at a time and created memories that have lasted a lifetime. She did it without either one of us ever laying a hand on the other.

    OK, I admit it. I like a little dirty lap dancing once in a while. I've had sex in the champagne room and, at the time, I enjoyed that as well. I got caught up in the explosion of contact and extras that started booming in the late 90's and grew in leaps and bounds as time went on. Interestingly however, I discovered that the dirty girls were not the ones I wanted to go back and see. I had a lot more fun with the "naughty but nice" girls. The girls who understand that seduction is so much more than putting your hand down a guy's pants. My favs are all beautiful mature women in their mid to late 30's who got into dancing when it wasn't about hand jobs and OTC.

    It's out of control now. I know of clubs where the dancers really only show up trying to recruit OTC sex customers. My favs decide where to work based on the probability that they can earn as a clean dancer working along side the dirty girls. Yes, I do miss the old days. I'm very friendly with some pretty cool and very beautiful women but it bugs me that they have to deal with things that go on in their clubs. I still go to clubs for the same reasons I did 20 or 30 years ago but it's become harder to leave feeling better than when I walked in...

    OK, enough babling. JayATee, I have to ask, if I show up at your club how much is it going to cost me to get you out from behind the bar?
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    Yoda's description of the state of affairs back in the day is excellent IMHO.

    I started clubbing seriously in the mid 90s, which was really the tail end of the earlier era that yoda described. Lapdancing was in its relative infancy and was still not offered in all clubs, so it was not a significant component of many girls' incomes. Back then, elaborate stage shows were still the norm in many places and most clubs, outside of the jack shacks that existed even then, had rosters of beautiful women with amazing stage and seduction skills.

    But I will admit that I am torn between what I miss about those days vs. what I enjoy about the current environment. My views of the old days are not quite as romanticized as yoda's. Not only did I find the standard fare offered by clubs to be a little more boring back then, but the types of long-term seduction hustles and outright con jobs that used to be executed then were legendary. Without lapdances or private rooms to sell, some of these girls still made a great deal of money, often involving seduction hustles and lead-on games. Guys would spend fortunes chasing the elusive affections of dancers and some would truly fall in love with these girls, or at least with the notion of what these girls were projecting. Now lead-on games and cons certainly still exist today, but the drastic reduction in the overall seduction skills and patience levels of today's dancers vs. those that worked back then have also translated into much weaker lead-on games with shorter lifespans.

    But, like yoda, I will also admit that I miss the feeling that came with interacting with a particularly skilled seductress. IMHO, dancers with those skills really started to exit the industry in droves when the 2001-2002 recession hit, to be replaced by a crop of girls who were more comfortable in doing more to make ends meet. But even from then to the mid to late 2000s, things in many clubs were still not that bad. However, since the last recession hit in 2008, I have become truly amazed at how cheap and widespread things have been on the dicier activities front.

    Now to be clear, I have wallowed neck deep in OTC and, more rarely, dicier ITC activities in the last 10 years and I greatly enjoy meeting activities partners in clubs spread out across the country. But I do also pay girls who don't engage in those activities but do wow and entertain me with old school seduction skills, which in fact is what first led me to becoming a regular customer of a Russian dancer who always makes me feel like a million bucks when I see her. Now I have written stories about her in blue and things have progressed with her on other fronts, but I visited her for several months before that, all because I felt better when I left the club simply for having spent time with her.

    So, in a nutshell, I go for multiple reasons. I am generally either looking for a girl who truly amazes me and makes me want to see her more or I am looking for a special activities partner. On rare occasions, a particular girl will end up being both, but that is more the exception than the norm.

    Anyway, there it is fwiw.
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    I haven't noticed any difference in contact/mileage between now and 10 years ago. Actually, one of the dirtiest dances I ever received was my first one, which was almost 15 years ago. I have noticed that I have less fun recently, so I haven't been going as much. Maybe that's why I haven't noticed a change.
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    He actually bitched to me that the newer, younger girls simply didn't understand the art of seduction, and that every other girl that had danced for him had grabbed his cock in some fashion or other. He was actually unappreciative of that fact. It's not why he was there. So when I ask, why do you go, I'm not asking for the obvious "to have a hot 20 something on my lap". I'm well aware of that side of things. I'm more asking, do you miss what the clubs used to be like (because I do) or do you prefer the younger generation of dancers that seem to be all about the sexual and not at all about the sensual.
    My opinion on this subject is a little bit different from what I've read so far actually. I actually don't think this fellow was trying to distinguish between "clean" dancers and "dirty" dancers, nor do I think he was making a point about mileage. That is to say, I don't think he was opposed to the fact that girls in the club are sexual. It's just that he feels that most younger strippers are sexual without being sensual. In that sense, they're acting like passion-less, emotion-less sexbots, who exist only to give a guy a lap dance and ask for 25 dollars in return. I can totally see where this guy's coming from, and I think what most customers really want is a woman who is both sexual AND sensual.

    I have noticed that most 20-something strippers today fall into one of two categories. Either they try to make friends with you and then ask you for a dance, or they act like a stripper droid whose interactions with you are plastic, from the moment they meet you until the moment they take your money. I don't think men really want either of those things though. We don't want lap dancing robots and we don't want a girl who talks about the weather and then starts humping us. The best experience from my perspective is when a stripper oozes sensuality and sexuality, when she truly understands how to act in a traditional "feminine" manner, when she is able to convince the customer, even for a moment, that she actually does want to dance for him, and when she gets really into the dance, to the point where the customer starts to really believe that she's enjoying it too. Not every woman is a natural when it comes to a flirty, sensual persona, but I think a lot of the younger girls may be clueless in this regard due to the blurring of gender lines in our culture, and the sense that seduction is somehow anti-feminist.

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    By the time I started clubbing (early 2000's), dirty dancing was already in full swing, so that is what I came to know and expect.
    As much as extras are available to me, I often find myself seeking out new girls not so much for extras, but just to enjoy their "new-to-me" sexy moves and to see how they will try and seduce a woman. Sometimes it leads to more, sometimes not.

    The bottom line for me is I already know which of the dancers will "accommodate" me in the club - it's fun and refreshing sometimes to NOT know if the "new" dancer will go that extra mile.

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    I started going to SCs in the early 90s, just as lap dancing was becoming prevalent (at least in LA), and became conditioned to a more sensual dance. In the present, my clubbing days are fewer and further between. I pretty much go for what I enjoy and what's familiar. I don't really seek out new clubs or new girls anymore (though the last time I did, which was probably a couple of years ago, I was pleasantly surprised).
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    I'm old school, but the reason I visit SCs is to get in the same 'state of mind' as you do when you look out an airplane window at 30,000ft. That left everything behind, place where creative thoughts come out... If that makes sense. Well, that, and the fact that I like bewbs....

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    i loved yoda's description of that stage set. for the most part, the male posts here repulse me, but i so appreciate that there are some men who glorify without degrading. that was such a pleasure to read. thank you so much for that post =) absolutely made my day.

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    Thanks for the kind words camille.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    ...for the most part, the male posts here repulse me, but i so appreciate that there are some men who glorify without degrading.
    Camille, I'll admit to being a bit confused by this. I actually thought that the male posts were relatively restrained.

    Could you elaborate? I promise that I will not come back with a sharp retort or criticism on this one - I am simply genuinely curious about your underlying thoughts on this.

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    To pretend that pretty women have an ounce of interest in me, even if I pay for the attention. To enjoy the beauty and be entertained. To feel naughty in some way FYI I'm a female.


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    Could you elaborate?

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    I go to the club to relax, unwind, see some eye candy, and sometimes see some old aquaintences. When I have free time im beyond the bar and club scene. I don't wnat to sit on a barstool around other guys, I don't want to compete with other guys in order to flirt with a hot girl. Im around guys all day long, I don't really want to socialize or compete with them after work. I enjoy fun conversations with smart pretty girls without the dynamic of the mating game. Ive dated and socialized with a number of girls OTC the club over the years and still consider a number of active and retired dancers as friends.

    I don't go to the club specificly looking for a certain type of dance. Ive had multiple consecutive sets where we just talked, where the dances were just sensual and teasing, and some where it crossed way beyond the line. Ive enjoyed them all. As Ive gotten older the ultra sexual sets are far fewer, I believe because I am now getting closer to the "old guy" age group and leaving the "just a little older guy with a nice body whose not creepy or pushy" age group.

    I am noticing more girls that are getting into a catagory where they are just trying to get me off with no reciprocity from me. They tend to just focus on grinding on my cock and I find the dances more painful than stimulating. Ive had to tell numerous girls that they are rubbing it raw and that they need to back off, I don't find those dances very enjoyable. Many of them back off and shortly thereafter are right back at it again, it seems clear to me that those girls just don't have any other tricks in their bag and the dances are over after one or two sets. I generally go for the thinner hardbody type of girl and in the past most of them didn't really go for the hard grind but I am finding more of them are now. The dancers dressed nicer, worked harder on their stage shows, and were also more personable 10 years ago. I seldom get propositioned for OTC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chgojoe View Post
    I go to the club to relax, unwind, see some eye candy, and sometimes see some old aquaintences. When I have free time im beyond the bar and club scene. I don't wnat to sit on a barstool around other guys, I don't want to compete with other guys in order to flirt with a hot girl. Im around guys all day long, I don't really want to socialize or compete with them after work. I enjoy fun conversations with smart pretty girls without the dynamic of the mating game.
    This sums it up pretty well for me. Why in God's name would I want to go to a sports bar or some fru-fru latest and greatest hot spot when I can go to a strip club and hang out with hot girls who want nothing more than my cash to pay attention to me? I've been hanging around in strip clubs for so many years that I feel out of my element and bored out of my mind in a regular bar.
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    Been thinking about this question for a while because I wasn't sure of the answer myself. Took some introspection, but while I can't speak about the 'old days', I realized I can speak about seduction and why I go. Jay, you asked a valid question, so I'm going to be honest, even at the cost of a wee bit of dignity, so bare with me...

    A few months ago, I went to a high-mileage club out here. All nude LDs, and UHM in the back. Girls hardly talk out front since they know why their customers are there. Out of sheer curiosity, I got a LD (not VIP) - she hastily threw her clothing to the side, grabbed my crotch and sloppily licked my ear. I knew it was designed to get me to VIP. It didn't work. Not by a long shot. It wasn't seduction, it was bad porn, except she was playing the part of the 'pizza delivery guy', so to speak. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a good, raunchy fucking...but for me, it has to be earned. This was assembly-line at best. At worst it was a cog in a very big machine. Cold, impersonal and soulless. I'm not knocking guys who like this - I understand the appeal on a physical level. But it's not for me.

    Cut to my favorite club - low-mileage where VIPs are done with bikini bottoms. Why do I dig it? First, because the girls will sit and talk for a little while before asking for dances. Sure there are some immediate "Wanna dance?", but I can actually find a warm, two-minute conversation. Inside those two minutes, I can tell if I'm gonna get a LD, and then do so. And if we click, a VIP will follow. Or sometimes I'll just tip for time if I'm enjoying the conversation and company.

    Second, while the dances are Happy Days tame by the other club's standards, they're so much hotter. Why? Because, exceptions aside, the girls take their time, move slow and sensual, are not afraid to hold eye contact, and there's a feeling of intimacy that you can't create by quickly grabbing my package or immediately sticking your tongue down my ear. When you finally do touch, it's fucking electric because that moment has been anticipated and earned.

    That's the physical half of seduction and why it works on me. The mental/emotional half is deeper - if emotions are a drug, then the club is my dealer. If I'm being truly honest, it probably has to do with needing to feel accepted, attractive and appreciated. Some kind of a connection. People pay to feel romantic at tear-jerker movies, or feel an adrenaline rush by jumping out of an airplane, or feel inspired by a band or play. I pay a dancer to feel, just in a different way. I pay to feel seduction and sensuality. In my situation, it's tough to get those emotions without a shit ton of life-altering consequences. In certain posts, Yoda has alluded to being in a similar situation earlier in his life. So the club is a perfect, contained environment - you chat, you dance, you feel, you pay, you leave. Easy and simple. And because seduction is tough for me to feel anywhere else, I'm like a starving man whose been taken to a gourmet buffet. Hell yeah, I'm gonna pay to sit down. I'm fucking starving!

    That being said, I've learned that because there is a mental/emotional enjoyment for me, I must be extra careful to always always always remember to check out of the fantasy as soon as I walk out the door. It's merely that - a fantasy - and for now, with the right dancer, it's enough.

    My apologies for the extremely long post - I fully expect to get flamed or ridiculed for exposing a bit of my soft underbelly and being a good mark. And that's quite okay. Like I said, you asked a good question and I thought it deserved an honest answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kessler View Post
    My apologies for the extremely long post - I fully expect to get flamed or ridiculed for exposing a bit of my soft underbelly and being a good mark. And that's quite okay. Like I said, you asked a good question and I thought it deserved an honest answer.
    I don't think that you're going to take many shots for that post. In fact, IMHO it was one hell of a good post.

    Now different blues might relate to your story to different degrees - for example, I don't feel quite as "starved" given my life circumstances - but you do a great job in presenting the value and effect of solid seduction skills and I also do not get overly excited about dancer robots, including the ones who view grabbing my crotch as a great way to start a conversation. I agree that the whole club experience is much more satisfying, in a number of ways, when there is the feeling of a connection and she looks like she wants to be where she is at that moment.

    Net-net, IMHO you hit a lot of things right on the head there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kessler View Post
    Been thinking about this question for a while because I wasn't sure of the answer myself. Took some introspection, but while I can't speak about the 'old days', I realized I can speak about seduction and why I go. Jay, you asked a valid question, so I'm going to be honest, even at the cost of a wee bit of dignity, so bare with me...

    A few months ago, I went to a high-mileage club out here. All nude LDs, and UHM in the back. Girls hardly talk out front since they know why their customers are there. Out of sheer curiosity, I got a LD (not VIP) - she hastily threw her clothing to the side, grabbed my crotch and sloppily licked my ear. I knew it was designed to get me to VIP. It didn't work. Not by a long shot. It wasn't seduction, it was bad porn, except she was playing the part of the 'pizza delivery guy', so to speak. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a good, raunchy fucking...but for me, it has to be earned. This was assembly-line at best. At worst it was a cog in a very big machine. Cold, impersonal and soulless. I'm not knocking guys who like this - I understand the appeal on a physical level. But it's not for me.

    Cut to my favorite club - low-mileage where VIPs are done with bikini bottoms. Why do I dig it? First, because the girls will sit and talk for a little while before asking for dances. Sure there are some immediate "Wanna dance?", but I can actually find a warm, two-minute conversation. Inside those two minutes, I can tell if I'm gonna get a LD, and then do so. And if we click, a VIP will follow. Or sometimes I'll just tip for time if I'm enjoying the conversation and company.

    Second, while the dances are Happy Days tame by the other club's standards, they're so much hotter. Why? Because, exceptions aside, the girls take their time, move slow and sensual, are not afraid to hold eye contact, and there's a feeling of intimacy that you can't create by quickly grabbing my package or immediately sticking your tongue down my ear. When you finally do touch, it's fucking electric because that moment has been anticipated and earned.

    That's the physical half of seduction and why it works on me. The mental/emotional half is deeper - if emotions are a drug, then the club is my dealer. If I'm being truly honest, it probably has to do with needing to feel accepted, attractive and appreciated. Some kind of a connection. People pay to feel romantic at tear-jerker movies, or feel an adrenaline rush by jumping out of an airplane, or feel inspired by a band or play. I pay a dancer to feel, just in a different way. I pay to feel seduction and sensuality. In my situation, it's tough to get those emotions without a shit ton of life-altering consequences. In certain posts, Yoda has alluded to being in a similar situation earlier in his life. So the club is a perfect, contained environment - you chat, you dance, you feel, you pay, you leave. Easy and simple. And because seduction is tough for me to feel anywhere else, I'm like a starving man whose been taken to a gourmet buffet. Hell yeah, I'm gonna pay to sit down. I'm fucking starving!

    That being said, I've learned that because there is a mental/emotional enjoyment for me, I must be extra careful to always always always remember to check out of the fantasy as soon as I walk out the door. It's merely that - a fantasy - and for now, with the right dancer, it's enough.

    My apologies for the extremely long post - I fully expect to get flamed or ridiculed for exposing a bit of my soft underbelly and being a good mark. And that's quite okay. Like I said, you asked a good question and I thought it deserved an honest answer.
    Great Post!!!!

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    That's the physical half of seduction and why it works on me. The mental/emotional half is deeper - if emotions are a drug, then the club is my dealer. If I'm being truly honest, it probably has to do with needing to feel accepted, attractive and appreciated. Some kind of a connection. People pay to feel romantic at tear-jerker movies, or feel an adrenaline rush by jumping out of an airplane, or feel inspired by a band or play. I pay a dancer to feel, just in a different way. I pay to feel seduction and sensuality. In my situation, it's tough to get those emotions without a shit ton of life-altering consequences. In certain posts, Yoda has alluded to being in a similar situation earlier in his life. So the club is a perfect, contained environment - you chat, you dance, you feel, you pay, you leave. Easy and simple. And because seduction is tough for me to feel anywhere else, I'm like a starving man whose been taken to a gourmet buffet. Hell yeah, I'm gonna pay to sit down. I'm fucking starving!
    This is fucking brilliant! In this paragraph you've managed to exemplify exactly why paying a dancer can offer just as much satisfaction, albeit, of a slightly different nature, as paying for extras or even paying an escort for sex.

    It's truly sad that, in the current state of affairs in strip clubs, more customers and dancers don't understand how powerful, and profitable, the art of seduction can be...
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