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    Okay, I know the resounding answer to this is NO. But here is my situation, and I'd love to hear some opinions:

    All of the posts that I've read on this topic are girls who want to eventually become a teacher, and are concerned about the background check and whether they can get a job in the future. I already have a fabulous teaching job, that I love. I have a Masters degree and have worked extremely hard to get where I am at a young age (currently 25).

    All that being said, I dream of being a stripper. I've thought about it for years now, but in the past few months began considering it very seriously. I've been to most of the local clubs many times (I'm in Seattle), talked to different girls, and spent a ton of time researching. It's not even the money, although that is a great perk. I love to dance, I love to be watched, and I love the culture. Maybe it's my Kindergarten teacher alter-ego, I don't know.

    Because I am in Seattle, I would have to have a license. When I eventually do need to move onto a new school, there will probably be a background check involved. I intend to stay in my school district for a long time, but you never know, right? As it stands, I am a well-loved and respected teacher in my community, and am very solid in my position within the district. I honestly believe that if it did come out that I was moonlighting as a stripper, my principal and the union would back me up, but there would be hell to pay with the parent community and the district.

    To anyone in Seattle, is the closest place that does NOT require a license Portland? Or maybe Vancouver? I would consider traveling for the weekends to work elsewhere, although I'd much rather work in a Seattle club than a Portland club if I can help it. Of course I am also strongly considering waiting until the summer and going to a different state (without licensing) for the duration of the summer, however there's nowhere I'd rather be than Seattle in the summer, strictly from a personal living situation standpoint. But for a solid stripper job, I would.

    So, knowing all that... what do you think? Am I completely fucking stupid for considering risking everything to be a stripper?

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    I know little about that area, the thing that first sprung to mind was, is there a morality clause in your teaching contract? I heard of a teacher being fired for showing her boobs on the howard stern show once, as an example. I would think a weekend dancer would cross that line, if there was a line.

    ....And a part of me if i'm being completely honest is, The idea of a kindergarten teacher as a stripper is just plain HOT! Hope it works out for you!

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    It sounds like you're more in love with the idea of being a stripper than in tune with the reality of actually being one. Stripping is something that some girls enjoy as a job, but not really something that they want to do... at least, not if they already have another job that they love. If you truly love teaching, then yes, it's stupid to risk all that for the sake of trying on the fantasy of being a stripper. If you don't need the money, then forget it. When you get fired from teaching, have your name plastered all over the news ("Local Teacher is a Stripper!"), and can never be hired in a teaching position again, will the grabby assholes and shitty management be worth the blow to your social standing, and will it be enough to keep you satisfied as you struggle to find something else to do with your life after wasting your teaching degree?

    I'm not disagreeing that it's shitty that people react so harshly to sex workers, or the idea that stripping can be a fun and fulfilling job, but you already have a job that is fun and fulfilling to you - a job where being discovered as a sex worker is a very big deal and could ruin everything for you. Stripping isn't night after night of glittery costumers, and dancing around on stage as men shower you with money and compliments. It's a lot of shitty nights with shitty customers that burns you out quickly. Do you really wanna risk your future in education just to fulfill some fantasy about the flashy, fabulous nights of being a stripper?
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    Aurora, I totally get what you're saying. And I know that going in as a newb, clearly there are realities I haven't experienced yet. That being said, I actually don't think that I have unrealistic expectations of it. I certainly don't expect it to be glitzy and glamorous, but that's a big part of the draw for me.

    Still, you're right that at this point, it is a fantasy for me and it's completely possible that I will not enjoy it the way I expect to. On the other hand, I know I'll always look back and wonder if I should have given it a try.

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    If you don't expect it to be glitzy/glamorous and you don't care about the $$$ then what exactly is it that entices you about it? And yes, I think you're a moron for even considering risking your teaching degree that you worked very hard for over a stupid fantasy. Me thinks you need to pull your head out of the clouds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzelda View Post
    I honestly believe that if it did come out that I was moonlighting as a stripper, my principal and the union would back me up, but there would be hell to pay with the parent community and the district.
    You are incredibly naive in thinking this. No principal or union will not support a teacher moonlighting as a dancer, especially with an outraged parent community and district. Don't think that you'll only have to deal with the occasional glare from a mother dropping her child off for school, because you will be alone in a corner if you strip and it becomes known.

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    Go out of town to try it. No use having a license in your current city on your record of you're just doing this for fun.
    +1. If you're really set on becoming a stripper (and if the money isn't a big draw then I really do think you're looking at the job through rose-coloured glasses, because while I do enjoy dancing, I wouldn't continue doing it if it weren't for the money, so it's not just a 'perk' of the job) then go as far out of town as possible - not Portland or Vancouver or wherever else is close to you to dance. If it's close to you, it's close to people you know who could find you out. Go to a city you've never been to where you don't know anyone and work a weekend in a club there. Just don't risk losing your career right when you're finishing your schooling.

    Aurora brings up a worst-case scenario situation where your career and reputation are completely shot to hell, and while that certainly doesn't happen to all teachers (I'm sure there are a few who have slipped through the cracks and gotten away with dancing), it's a HUGE risk to take. You can certainly bet that you'll lose your current job and them as a reference, and that'll be hard to move on from.

    Please think about this seriously. Read some of the threads on stripper rants and vents to get a better idea of what stripping actually entails. Just to give you a summary, this can include douchebag management, sexual harassment from staff, being surrounded by drugs and alcoholism, bitchy fellow dancers causing drama, empty clubs where you leave owing money on certain shifts, extras and high contact dances, demanding regulars, drunk and rude customers, etc., etc. Do you really want to throw your successful career that you've worked so hard to get just to prance around naked on a stage for some old men who might throw some hurtful comments your way? You say you love the culture, but it's clear that you don't know it. This job has very little to do with dancing and being watched, and everything to do with hustling (sometimes repulsive) men into buying lap dances and VIP rooms. If the money isn't your motivator, you're not going to last long and just grow to hate the job. Hopefully you won't get caught before then, but if you do, that'd be a right shame after how hard you've worked to get to where you are.

    Some fantasies are better left in your mind than brought into real life. If you like being watched, leave the blinds open when you're fucking someone. Take a pole dancing class if you enjoy dancing. Give your man lap dances. There are countless other avenues for exploring your desires to dance and be watched that are infinitely less risky.

    Best of luck in whatever you decide to do, but please try and be realistic.

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    Can I be a teacher and a stripper?? yes you can. but do you really want to be a teacher ? or do you want to be a stripper?? only you can tell if doing booth is worth the risk . do you want to give up all you work to be a teacher for getting caught stripping?

    there are some good responses to this thread here read them and think about it ... me being retired i can think of some relay good reasons to be a stripper .. as well as a ton of reasons not to . over all the good and the bad it worked for me.. but there again i did not have getting caught and plastered on TV hanging over me. lol i just thought i should get paid for something i enjoyed doing..

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    I was a teacher for four years. I didn't get paid very much and went around looking for weekend bar tending positions - once I applied at a strip club and they said no to bartending but offered me a job as a dancer. I knew I couldn't handle the repercussions if I took it. I'm in non-profit work now by day (yay incognito window at the office... probably stupid risk, but I'm bored and not busy right this second), and just started dancing once a week last month. I still want to keep it a super secret, even though I'm itching to tell. I was also infatuated with the idea of being a stripper - I can hardly believe I am one now. And it is HARD and I will have to pep-talk myself to go in tonight. But I don't regret doing it - I'd regret turning 45 and never having tried it. If you really want to do it - go out of town, and give it a shot. But it's a lot of money to invest (shoes, etc), so be aware of that, you may or may not make money - in one month I've had good nights and bad nights and I'm terrified tonight will be bad after a good night last week. But still - I did it! I can grow up to be an old, wrinkly woman and say I was an exotic dancer in my youth, (semi-youth, I turned 28 yesterday - thank goodness for looking 12 till I was 17). Anyway, that's my two cents. And yes, parents will crucify you if they find out. It sucks - a lot - because it's nothing but stereotypes and double standards - but it's true, and districts won't back you up.

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    Thank you everyone for your thoughtful insight. Obviously, I'm not jumping into anything without thinking very carefully about it. I kind if love the burlesque troupe idea.

    Seeing as this is, as you can all obviously tell, a fantasy, it seems the best option will probably be to wait until summer, travel far from seattle (and without license) and try it out for a while. Thanks for keeping my head straight!

    As a side note, while the district would not back me, the school and the union would. It would be a brutal battle, I know that, but I've seen instances within our union that are similar, and there is a ton of support for the teachers and their personal decisions here. And my good standing at the school has been well attested to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzelda View Post
    As a side note, while the district would not back me, the school and the union would. It would be a brutal battle, I know that, but I've seen instances within our union that are similar, and there is a ton of support for the teachers and their personal decisions here. And my good standing at the school has been well attested to.
    There have been other teachers in your school/union who have been outed as exotic dancers or other types of sex workers? Unless it's sex industry related, it's not similar enough to warrant believing that you would have the support of the school/union. I am genuinely curious if it has happened though, it'd certainly be a first!

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    Not in the sex industry, no. So of course, it's not the same situation. But similar in that it was very unaccepted behavior, but it did not technically violate the contract (and stripping does not), so therefore the union's job is to support the teacher. Who, according to contract, has done nothing wrong. I don't expect you to be convinced, but I have been here for years and I know this district and the union very well.

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    I think you're taking a HUGE risk. You say that your principle and union would back you, but I wouldn't count on it if it all came out, your kids' parents were talking to news cameras about the scandal outside the school and council people are saying you should be fired. It might sound crazy, but there's been plenty news stories on here about women who had been respected teachers for years and years, who were fired immediately for stripping. You're risking not only this job, but your entire career - if it became a huge scandal, it would come up online whenever any future schools google your name, not to mention parent's googling their child's new teacher or whatever.

    I would go far, far out of town to try it out, and see if you like it as much as you hope you will. Maybe women love it initially and are in the club night and night because they love the atmosphere and the money. A few years later burnout hits, and that would be really hard to take if you had lost your teaching career over it. I would never normally recommend people don't try a new experience, or say stripping isn't for someone, but you have SO much to lose.


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    Interesting tidbit... Not only is there not a morality clause in my contract, but it specifically states that any activities and actions that I partake in outside of the workday, so long as they are legal, cannot be held against me or my job status.

    I know nothing makes me safe in this situation, and I highly respect the opinions of everyone who took the time to give them; your advice as experienced professionals is invaluable. I will continue to to examine my own motivations for this and I promise not to make any uninformed or unrealistic decisions!

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    Don't do it. I was a teaching assistant and danced on weekends, i never got caught per se but after i left the area, (the TA position and the club) rumours circulated about me having been a stripper. If i had still been at the school i would have got fired, and lost any positive references. Despite my ability at teaching (assistanting) most organisations where there are children or vulnerable people attached will sack you off at the first possible opportunity should ANY kind of scandal besmirch your name. They may not say "we are sacking you because you are a stripper" but they will not stand up for you should a witch hunt ensue. My school was a fairly liberal one but it wouldnt even entertain the idea of giving away pole dance lessons as a raffle prize (even though the teacher of those lessons is the current Miss Pole Dance UK) and many of the parents already attended lessons.

    Every school will have a number of parents who strongly disagree with stripping, dancing, pole dancing aaaanny kind of work where the idea of sex or sexuality is wrong, they will use it against you and say you are killing the innocence of their offspring yada yada yada, this is all in a "if you get caught out" way.

    Its not worth throwing all your hard work away for the idea of something that you think you might like to do, If you are in a job which pays regularly and you enjoy, has a pension scheme, health care etc, dont make the mistake of thinking that people will stand up for you did it and it ever came to light. Go to pole dancing lessons, or as someone else said, join a burlesque group, get a pole at home, get your partner, male friends, whoever to come pretend to be customers lol. If you dont need the money, dont bother wasting all your years of education on a whim. I did it because of the money, dont get me wrong i did/do enjoy dancing, but if id been making twice as much money from my TA position, i probably wouldnt have started dancing.

    Even if there is no "Morality clause" or whatever in your contract, how would you feel if one of the male staff or a parent came into your club while you were on stage and had nowhere to run and hide? no matter how well disguised you think yourself to be there are always circumstances which will fuck you up. Ive never moved so fast when one of my kids dads came into the club with him friends, i nearly died of a heart attack. Dont think, well, if theyre in a strip club they wont tell their friends, wives, etc, all it takes is for the customer/parent to say to another male parent "heheheh i saw Miss Such-n-such in the titty bar dancing" he goes home to his wife "Hey Honey, Dave saw miss such-n-such at the titty bar, shes a stripper" and the gossip tree blooms into life, all it takes of for one of those people to take objection, ring up your school and the jig is up.

    I know i sound harsh but i know a girl who lost her job as a nurse for moonlighting as a stripper, i would have lost my job had i not already moved 3 hours away (and they didnt have any proof of me actually dancing), not to mention the hell it would have caused me at home. My friend got kicked out of uni for stripping whilst doing her teacher training, and she danced in a club over an hour away from the school district she had been allocated. If you want to be a stripper, be a stripper, if you want to be a teacher, be a teacher. For me personally ive seen, heard and gone through too many horror stories to make me think it would ever be worth combining the two jobs ever again.

    Plus, after working five days a week, doing all your planning, marking, evrything else that goes with a teaching position would you really want to then go home on a friday night, and have to then start getting ready to go do another shift at a different work. I was in the kindergarten class at my school and i was physically exhausted at the end of the day, then having to go to do an 8 hour shift in seven inch heels was like a "euuuurggghhhh c'mooon you can do this" major effort. I was lucky enough to only have to work a friday and saturday most weeks but imagine if your club required at least three shifts a week, would you want to come home from work, stripperfy, go work all night, get home at 5am, de-stripper, and then have to be in a school classroom with 30 children at 8:30am? There were times when i had to do it and it was NOT fun, i was so tired i couldnt concentrate and i was snappy with the kids, it wasnt fair on them, i was just exhausted.

    Good luck in whatever you decide to do hun, please dont think im being a bitch, i just want you to know my experiences and the stress that goes with living a double life. Even with the money its no fun, you are constantly on edge, you cant enjoy either work place for fear of ratting yourself out, (either to a customer that you are actually a teacher, or a work colleage that you are a stripper.) Its hard hun, im sorry its been such a negative nancy post, again, i just want you to be aware of the consequences and down falls of trying to do both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzelda View Post
    Interesting tidbit... Not only is there not a morality clause in my contract, but it specifically states that any activities and actions that I partake in outside of the workday, so long as they are legal, cannot be held against me or my job status.
    Which means precisely dick in the real world. Not to mention that you're 100% fooling yourself if you honestly believe your principal and union wouldn't fire you in a heartbeat. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,456345,00.html for reference.

    Honestly, I have no idea why in the world you would be so willing to throw your career away. For what exactly? What about this profession has you day-dreaming about it? This isn't the movies. And you're risking an entire lifetime for a chance to work in a business you clearly don't know the first thing about. Not trying to be a bitch, but I can't imagine anything that has the potential to be more stupid. Especially if you need a license. This isn't something you do on the weekend and you go back into school Monday perfectly unscathed. Someone ALWAYS finds out, and any district in any place you attempted to teach again would know about it.
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    Default Re: Can I be a teacher and a stripper??

    maybe start out doing an amateur contest. I wouldnt do it anywhere near where you would work as a teacher... maybe travel and do it in the summer!

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    So, I did exactly what you are asking about.

    I was a teacher, and I was a stripper.

    However, I was smart about it, only did it during vacations and the summer, and I traveled far away (another state) to do it and made sure no licenses were needed. And I'd been doing it a long time prior, was familiar with the clubs I traveled to, and knew I'd make a profit.

    That being said, It's not worth your career or even just risking your career. I second burlesque or amateur contests. Or take pole dancing lessons. Don't throw away a perfectly good thing for stripping.
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    I agree with the traveling part. Go way far away to dance, like to the other side of the country, in some small club away from big touristy areas to minimize the chances of running into a colleague or student or student's parents on summer vacation.

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    I agree with what everyone else has said, if you must do it then go very far away. In fact, during certain breaks in your school period you could leave the state and try your hand at stripping. You should have spring break, Christmas break, summer break, etc.

    Since you have worked so hard at getting your masters degree I would not recommend risking it by stripping at all. You might try an amateur night at clubs that are a couple of hours from your house. It is less likely people will see you (amateur nights are usually done on nights that aren't busy) and there shouldn't be a record of you participating other than a copy of your ID. Ask them how they pay the prize money, if they pay cash great--if they pay via check I wouldn't do it (paper trail/possible IRS notification via 1099-misc depending on prize amount).

    SO many dancers (and other sex industry related workers) are dying to finish school and land a good paying job, but it's difficult in this economy to support yourself and hit the books. I struggle to go to school, work, and find time for family right now--but I graduate in May so the end is near.

    Anyway, I would really just stick with a few random amateur nights and call it a day. The risk is not worth the reward considering you are older (25) which means you won't have the high possibility of a long lived career in the sex industry (most girls age out around 28-35) if you do get caught and blacklisted as a teacher.

    I know life is about doing what makes you happy and never looking back--but the sex industry will eat you up and spit you out--it's not something you will reflect on as an elderly woman and regret not trying--trust me, it can be downright disturbing, humiliating, and degrading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzelda View Post
    Aurora, I totally get what you're saying. And I know that going in as a newb, clearly there are realities I haven't experienced yet. That being said, I actually don't think that I have unrealistic expectations of it. I certainly don't expect it to be glitzy and glamorous, but that's a big part of the draw for me.

    Still, you're right that at this point, it is a fantasy for me and it's completely possible that I will not enjoy it the way I expect to. On the other hand, I know I'll always look back and wonder if I should have given it a try.
    Glitzy and glamourous? Seriously? Have you looked at any other thread on this site? Or are you stuck on this "hollywood" version? Nothing is glitzy. Nothing is glamourous. This is a job. We're on our feet 6 or 8 hrs a day in 6 or 8in heels. We dance for guys that smell, guys that want to rip of us off, guys that try to harrass, molest and abuse us. We're discriminated against. We're treated like trash, like we're all prostitutes and somehow dirty. We're denied loans, apartments etc just based on our profession. We come home bruised, aching, exhausted, and then do you know what we get to do? We get to be wives/girlfriends/mothers.

    I'm not saying there is no good side here. But I am saying that your view is so warped it's ridiculous and you need a fierce reality check before you destroy everything you've ever worked for, because my guess is that you don't have a back up plan when a co-worker walks in the door and reports you to the school board. Where will you be when they fire you for your conduct? Will you go back to school and start again? Will your "fantasy" have been worth it?
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    GoGo. DO NOT STRIP. I repeat...DO NOT. If you have a job you love and your financially stable then there is no reason for you to be dancing. almost 100% of dancers will tell you the only reason they are still dancing or what they ultimately want to accomplish is what you already have.

    The risk is way to great. If you just like the dancing and the glamour, find a job as a gogo dancer. Keep your clothes on and your sanity.
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    JayATee, you misread that statement you quoted. I do NOT expect it to be glitzy and glamorous. That's not my reason for all this. I'm just exploring options here, not jumping in and throwing my life away over a "delusional fantasy".

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    Default Re: Can I be a teacher and a stripper??

    Well, you flat-out state that glitz is a big part of the draw, so I wouldn't say JayATee misread anything: "I certainly don't expect it to be glitzy and glamorous, but that's a big part of the draw for me."

    If you strip in a different state that doesn't require licensing and you wear a wig and tell NO ONE, your chances of being outed are very slim. Your chances of being sexually and physically assaulted, verbally and emotionally abused, and pressured into relaxing your boundaries are very high. You have already gotten a very accurate picture of what the clubs are like. If you do decide to travel and strip, I'd be interested to hear how your expectations match up to the reality.

    Another warning: Don't reveal too many details about yourself or your location on these public boards.

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    Ooh, I'm seeing the confusion with my phrasing. I meant that the LACK of glitz and glam is part of the draw. Sorry for that.

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