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    Travel Dancing in France.

    I am considering a trip to France and was wondering if any of you ladies have danced there?
    What clubs are easy to navigate for english speakers?
    What are the "looks" clubs are into for hiring?
    Any information would be wonderful.
    Thanks ladies

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    Default Re: Dancing in France.

    Hello,

    The things you need to know : In Paris you'll found 3 main clubs, second solution is Nice.
    One time again, speaking only english is not an issue in France. Customers are used to foreign girls and you'll find that in every club management / staff / 99% of dancers speak english. Eastern Europeans are the majority in Paris, in most of cases they are loyal and very professional.
    I won't developp the subject as I posted about it several times. The infos I gave still relevant today.
    I'm dancing in Paris right now and still have more than 2-3 girls "of my crew" in the 2 other clubs. Same in Nice

    Paris
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...=dancing+paris
    Update : Hustler - more french girls and grinding is not the rule anymore. Hands bags are not allowed, garter only in the 3 clubs.

    Nice
    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ighlight=paris

    Also, you asked about standards for hiring.
    In this strange country, as long as you are a beauty you can be hired. The minimum is beeing attractive, here it doesn't mean beeing 20 years old - 40 kg (90lbs). It means a balanced body and pretty face. We have mature dancers (and believe me they're doing very well), "middle weight" ladies and black ladies (I'm one of them, rare in the business here, customers are litterally chasing us). Still, in Paris heavy tatooed girls have difficulties to get work, in this case sending pictures showing your body art is the best way to act and if you're ready to cover them, tell it (add pictures when you're "covered" to show the results). They tend to judge "case by case".

    Hope it helped.
    Last edited by Anteis; 02-16-2012 at 12:23 AM. Reason: adding info

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    Hum, I checked your previous posts and saw you are tatooed. In this case, I will add that Hustler and Pink Paradise are the most open minded in Paris and for Nice just send your pictures, they usually don't mind as long as it's not shoking (ie : very ugly or proning discrimination).

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    Default Re: Dancing in France.

    I see you're in Portland. Do you have an EU passport or a visa to work in the EU?

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    Default Re: Dancing in France.

    Thank you all for the tips!

    I don't have a visa to work, I am mostly just curious for the future what it would require and what it's like working over there. How does one go about getting a work visa to dance?

    My arm tattoos are pretty easy to cover, especially for clubs that aren't as keen on body art.
    The bolero rules!

    Thank you all again!

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    I'm not sure what the visa requirements are for Americans, but perhaps this article will be of some help: http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/h...u-work-permit/ I'm sure if you just google it, other useful sites will turn up as well!

    When clubs mean cover your tattoos, I think they generally mean with make up, as a bolero will likely come off during dances/stage shows.

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    Default Re: Dancing in France.

    If it wasn't next to impossible to get a work visa for France, I would totally do it.

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    Bolero doesn't come off.
    I wear a bra with a halter strap so the sleeves of the bolero stay on. I've got a system down.
    Thank you!

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    If it wasn't next to impossible to get a work visa for France, I would totally do it.
    Again, for the benefit of US girls, here's a rough overview of the 'complications' for US citizens to legally work in other countries.

    The EuroZone has few / no restrictions about a citizen of one EU country working in another EU country. But the US isn't a member of the EU. Therefore Americans wishing to work legally in an EU country need a work visa ... which typically requires the sponsorship of an 'employer' at minimum. As is true in reverse, EU clubs that will allow dancers to work illegally are usually very complacent about obeying other laws as well ... like prostitution laws and drug laws.

    The UK and it's former 'colonies' of Canada, Australia, NZ, South Africa etc. have a similar arrangement. Girls who are citizens of any of these 'Commonwealth' countries will find it very easy to work in another 'Commonwealth' country. Also, since the UK is a EU member, UK girls won't have problems working in other EU countries. And there is even a 'back door' method for girls from Canada, Australia etc. to work in other EU countries using the UK as a 'stepping stone'. However, the USA is not a 'Commonwealth' country either ... meaning that a US dancer working in any 'Commonwealth' country also requires a work visa.

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    ^I've also noticed that in many postings, a lot of clubs specify that they only want EU girls (sometimes even specifying non Eastern-EU), so it may be tricky to find a club willing to sponsor you or look the other way with legal paperwork. It's hard for you American ladies!

    OP: have you considered Guam? What makes you want to dance in France specifically?

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    Default Re: Dancing in France.

    If you did find a club that was willing to make a work permit for you.And its unlikely since there are so many beautiful east europeans willing to work who dont need papers.They would most likely expect you to work for at least 3-6 months and 6 days a week.So if you are wanting to travel and see the country,this is going to be difficult.If I were you I would just go to france for a vacation.

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    Hi,

    AND IF, dancers were contacting their ambassies and clubs they want to visit to see if things are possible instead of just listening to dancers hijacking threads to give irrelevant and negative advice.

    Anteis

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    American girls are not allowed to work in France, I knew a girl who contacted clubs and they told her this.
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    Default Re: Dancing in France.

    Yes and my neighbour told me not to eat bananas on full moon nights!

    Seriously.
    Americans, as others foreign citizens are allowed to work there.
    It's France, not the moon. As in most of countries, to work there you need a work visa, except if you are a EU citizen. Melonie said it before and she's right.

    I will ad that no club will hire a stripper without a proper visa, as having illegal workers in a company is a serious offense and there always cops around SC verifying if everything is OK and ready to repport the tiniest irregularity to the office concerned. Thanks to them, that's why we can work in all serenity.

    Little tip : When you want to know if you can have a work visa for a certain country you want to visit, you go to ... the ambassy!!!
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    ^Yes, Americans can get hired if they get a proper visa, but to get the proper visa for them is incredibly difficult, as unlike many other nations (notably Canada and Australia), they do not offer reciprocal working holiday arrangements with other countries. As it's difficult for non-Americans to get a work visa, their respective countries don't make it easy on Americans. So, even though Americans can technically work in the EU if they get the visa, getting that visa can be difficult without a sponsor, and clubs generally aren't willing to take on that role.

    We aren't giving negative or irrelevant advice, we're simply trying to give the OP a realistic view of the likelihood that she will be able to work in France while visiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Again, for the benefit of US girls, here's a rough overview of the 'complications' for US citizens to legally work in other countries.

    The EuroZone has few / no restrictions about a citizen of one EU country working in another EU country. But the US isn't a member of the EU. Therefore Americans wishing to work legally in an EU country need a work visa ... which typically requires the sponsorship of an 'employer' at minimum. As is true in reverse, EU clubs that will allow dancers to work illegally are usually very complacent about obeying other laws as well ... like prostitution laws and drug laws.

    The UK and it's former 'colonies' of Canada, Australia, NZ, South Africa etc. have a similar arrangement. Girls who are citizens of any of these 'Commonwealth' countries will find it very easy to work in another 'Commonwealth' country. Also, since the UK is a EU member, UK girls won't have problems working in other EU countries. And there is even a 'back door' method for girls from Canada, Australia etc. to work in other EU countries using the UK as a 'stepping stone'. However, the USA is not a 'Commonwealth' country either ... meaning that a US dancer working in any 'Commonwealth' country also requires a work visa.

    I'd really like to know more about how this "backdoor" method of getting around to work in the EU with a stopover in the UK works for Canadian girls. I have a friend that is living in Paris right now, and a few others scattered throughout Europe, so I'm seriously debating dancing my way around europe this summer, have some adventures, and visit some friends in the process Hopefully someone has more info on how exactly it works for Canadian/other commonwealth girls to be able to work in the EU.

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    ^^^ the 'back door' involves obtaining a D-Visa ( a.k.a. EU Schengen State Work Visa ) from the UK gov't on the basis of having Commonwealth citizenship and ( temporary ) UK residence ... which can then be ( more or less ) legally used to work in other EU Schengen State countries including France.


    Also, in regard to US citizen dancers attempting to obtain a work visa for France ( or other EU countries ), there is really only one way this can happen. You must present yourself as a 'feature dancer' ... with enough credentials to make that claim believable. France ( and other EU countries ) will not issue work visas for US 'house dancers' ... because from an official standpoint there is no shortage of French citizen dancers or EU citizen dancers to fill any open positions, and a US 'house dancer' isn't able to offer anything to the French / EU club that the French / EU citizen dancers can't also offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ the 'back door' involves obtaining a D-Visa ( a.k.a. EU Schengen State Work Visa ) from the UK gov't on the basis of having Commonwealth citizenship and ( temporary ) UK residence ... which can then be ( more or less ) legally used to work in other EU Schengen State countries including France.


    Also, in regard to US citizen dancers attempting to obtain a work visa for France ( or other EU countries ), there is really only one way this can happen. You must present yourself as a 'feature dancer' ... with enough credentials to make that claim believable. France ( and other EU countries ) will not issue work visas for US 'house dancers' ... because from an official standpoint there is no shortage of French citizen dancers or EU citizen dancers to fill any open positions, and a US 'house dancer' isn't able to offer anything to the French / EU club that the French / EU citizen dancers can't also offer.
    OOOOOk, so it's not just a stopover as in a few days, you actually have to establish UK residency...or residency in another EU country I assume (with the UK being the most easily accessible for citizens of commonwealth countries. Thanks for the info melonie!

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    ^^^ with a Commonwealth country passport, your only realistic option to establish residency is the UK.

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