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    There have been so many arguments about how much you should charge per minute.

    "You should charge what you think you're worth" seems to be the most agreed upon answer for this question. But why should someone think they're worth $1.99 while another performer charges $4.99 per minute? I don't really think all performers who charge $1.99 think they're worth $1.99. A Big Mac and fries is worth more than that. Honestly, I don't think there is anything wrong with charging so little. Fans may appreciate you knowing that you are just as good as a performer who charges $4.99 per minute. I'm sure I have customers who would spend $9.99 per minute but they know they don't have to. I have five stars, I offer all services plus phone in excl., I talk the entire time in free chat and I have fun. My premium rate is very low and my exclusive rate is very high. 1..99/4.99 and I usually get 70% premiums/30% exclusives. I've tried raising my rates on a previous SM account and did that slowly but I found out that lowering your rates works so much better for me. I have not and would never go lower than the rate I'm currently at. There are really pro's and con's to any rate you choose, whether high or low. Nothing is wrong with the price you choose as long as you don't make any drastic changes. Customers don't like drastic changes. With an average rating of five stars, many customers will feel safe selecting me since my price is lower, they won't be let down.

    "But you're gonna get so many beggars coming in wanting freebies cause you're so cheap"

    Honestly, I hardly ever get beggars on SM. People hardly even ask to see my ass anymore. People get right down to it. "Do you dirty talk? Will you say/do this in pvt? Okay, Lets go". I maybe get asked 1-2 times an hour to see my ass and never get asked to show boobs. When I do get the occasional beggar, 90% of the time I can turn them into a customer.

    Customer: Do you dirty talk?
    Me: Yes, BB (lol)
    Customer: Let me hear you say "F me hard daddy".
    Me: I can turn you on daddy. Are you ready for a show?

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    I would probably get more beggars if I spent more time in free chat but I usually don't spend more than five minutes in free chat. Only because it's consistently busy. Many of my customers are very respectful and appreciative that a majority of them end up tipping me after my shows. I tend to get tipped $5,$10, $20 regularly from customers after the show. Which I never got when I charged more. I also noticed somewhat of a pattern with my customers and the biggest reason why I choose a lower rate.

    $1.99 per minute group shows- 4-10 people who STAY in the room. I always have a minimum of 4 people in my room who stay for 2 minutes or longer. I tend to have about 10 people in the room at a time, some pass through but most stay for a minute. Shows last about 15 minutes and its common to make $30 in 15 minutes. I usually get tipped by one person after each premium show. And make about $40-$60 an hr.
    $2.99 per minute group shows- 1-2 people who stay in the room for 2 minutes or longer. Most shows last about 6-7 minutes, I don't get tipped and I make about $23 an hour.
    $4.99 per minute group shows- 1 person stays in premium show for 2 minutes or longer. Most shows last about 4-7 minutes, I don't get tipped and make about $23 an hour.

    I know many performers who say they make $100 an hour and they have higher rates but it's probably cause they split-cam or are one of the top performers on mfc or something. Right now, I work on SM alone. I thought about split-camming but it seems like too much to handle and I wouldn't be there for my customers as much. For some of us, it's not so easy to make $100 an hr. I'm happy making $50 an hour on a site that benefits me (for the most part). Anyway, some of you may love this or hate this. I don't expect answers, just wanted to share my thoughts.


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    Thank you for your insightful post! I really appreciate reading your experiences with how experimenting with pricing has worked for you. I've been at the $3.99/$4.99 level ever since I started but I've recently been getting more beggars than ever, which goes against the theory that the more you charge, the more generous and respectful guys you will attract. I've decided to start experimenting with a couple of different things this week to see if I can get my hourly back up to where it used to be last month, and your post has given me something to take into consideration. I'm sure a lot of girls on here will disagree with lowering your prices, and I DO think I'm worth a lot more than even what I'me charging right now, but I'm ready to try just about anything if it will get me out of free chat hell You've got to do what's right for you, and I'm glad you've found what works!
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    I think that you need to do what works for you. If this works for you, more power to you. I don't care what people charge. When I first started out, I charged $1.99 a min. It worked for me. Now I charge more and that works for me.

    However, I have a really hard time believing that you make $50 an hour with those rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LAChloe View Post
    However, I have a really hard time believing that you make $50 an hour with those rates.
    I don't know Chloe. That's a 69c cut per person per minute. To make $50 in an hour, you would need to have about 73 minutes of private time, which depending on your traffic really isn't all that much. When you have lower prices, it would make sense that you'd have more people enter your private at once and stay in if they liked what they saw. After all, they can get 3-4 minutes of time with the lower-priced girl for what they'd pay the higher-priced girl, for usually the same quality of show.
    5+ people in your private for 15 minutes, BAM, there's your 50 an hour goal pretty much met.

    Just trying to see the other side of the proverbial gold coin here.
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    Well it is entirely different for me. I charge 3.99$/4.99$ and my privates and exclusives last hella long. Check out the attached picture to see what I did in 45 minutes last night at my rates. You couldn't do that with your rates just because you are charging so little! And that is just 45 minutes of my night last night, I worked 3.5 hours I would atleast go to 2.99$ a minute, 1.99$ is too low girl!!

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    I make between 50 and 90 an hour with my rates at 4.99 and I do not splitcam. I understand that people should do what is best for them, but the it's pretty easy to understand why girls think you shouldn't charge so low. If no one charged 1.99, it wouldn't BE low because it wouldn't even exist. Maybe 3.99 would be low and you'd have all the cheaper guys in that room, overall the less often girls offer their services for cheaper, the more money everyone stands to make.

    It'll never happen that everyone raises their prices though, sad but true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_chick View Post
    I make between 50 and 90 an hour with my rates at 4.99 and I do not splitcam. I understand that people should do what is best for them, but the it's pretty easy to understand why girls think you shouldn't charge so low. If no one charged 1.99, it wouldn't BE low because it wouldn't even exist. Maybe 3.99 would be low and you'd have all the cheaper guys in that room, overall the less often girls offer their services for cheaper, the more money everyone stands to make.

    It'll never happen that everyone raises their prices though, sad but true.
    Ditto: I don't splitcam and SM is the only site I work and I make approximately the same per hour. It really does boil down to the rates, they make the whole difference.
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    You should charge as much as these men will pay for you. Few men are going to pay a mediocre girl $14.99 per minute for her time. However, several men would pay a girl $3.49 for her time so you'd make a lot more overall. If men won't pay it, there's no sense in charging crazy amounts. If men will and do pay it, its smart to charge crazy amounts. This depends on the girl though, what she looks like, what she offers and doesn't offer, her traffic, her placement, etc. Too many variables to say exactly what someone should or shouldn't charge.

    You can make more charging $2.99 for group than charging $5.99 for group since more people may enter group at the lower price. So its not just about picking the rate you're comfortable with, its about trying out a dozen or so different rates and finding the one that make you the most money, which is usually the one that gets you the most business regardless of it being a low or high price. Its different for each girl. And you're only doing yourself harm if you haven't tried to figure out the magical # for yourself.
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    i have tried a lot of prices...on sm the prices that work best for me are 3.99/4.99. i have said before that if 1.99 made me the most money i would charge that. to me it doesn't matter what you charge its all about what price you make the most with. obviously its different for every girl.

    is it better to charge 1.99 and have 300 dollars at the end of your shift or charge 4.99 and end up with 100 dollars? its been said you don't value yourself if you charge a low price, but i don't agree. i would charge 5 cents a minute if thats what made me the most in the time i was online!!
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    I hear you O.P. Lately I've been re-considering dropping my prices b/c it appears to be a sharp decline in my income ever since I've raised up my prices. To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with charging around 2 bucks for a private show. I feel it's pretty reasonable per se and it would be sufficient enough if we were permitted to keep most of or at least 50% of our sale revenue. Unfornately, it isn't the case and the ones who do so would be working for dimes after only getting 35% which really pisses me off because it hurts us as camgirls either way. If we sell our services at an reasonable price we might as well work in a sweatshop for all that we do. If we become too expensive in order to half survive it then we risk losing potential customers; which greatly reduces our income drastically.


    Let's face it the average joe who spends on us is most likely a blue collar worker; not too many of them are making six figures income. So I understand that they would be relunctant to spend around 4 bucks or more on a cam show. Even I as a camhost feel that that's way too much but we wouldn't have to if the camsites weren't such blood-sucking leeches. I hate having to bleed customers for 4 and 5 dollars shows only to not EVEN get 2 dollars out of it in my pockets. It's not fair to us or the customers. I feel that we should use the energy that we use worrying about girls charging less or more and use that to put up a fuss on getting higher payouts. The camsites do this to us because we become complacent and we allow them to. If all or half of us went on strike or let our voices be heard then I believe something would change. Customers need to know the truth and if the camsites won't listen to us then maybe they would for the customers. It sickens and angers me that we would ONLY get $350.00 out of $1,000. Or that our loyal fans are mislead to believe that if they tip $10.00 we get the full amount; no we only get $3.50. I know these sites have expenses but if they're going to only pay us 35% then we should get 100% of the revenue that they get selling our content or keep 100% of our tips. It's just greed that's all there is and the ones who are really cheated are us and the customers. These camsites aren't hurting for anything. All this does is makes us lose motivation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaisyRose View Post
    It's not fair to us or the customers. I feel that we should use the energy that we use worrying about girls charging less or more and use that to put up a fuss on getting higher payouts. The camsites do this to us because we become complacent and we allow them to.
    Higher payouts will never happen on Streamate because they have an affiliate program for models (cammodels) that allows us to make ~75%. In addition, there is also moneytree to bring in revenue.

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    what on earth did i do now that got my post edited??? this is ridiculous.

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    Mine got edited too LOL. I didn't put any names, wasn't rude, only put facts but OK

    Edit: whoa, like everyones got edited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissKatie View Post
    I really cannot begin to understand why anyone would justify themselves charging so little, like it's something to defend. I mean it's baffling quite honestly why you would prefer to earn LESS money and work MORE, also having to deal with the sort of customers who would ONLY buy from the cheapest girls.. i.e the beggars/ want something for nothing types. *shakes head*
    lol because what you said is incorrect. Often times, more men will come into GROUP mode when you charge $3 per minute versus if you charged $5 per minute. So YOU make more money for the same amount of work because you have a more reasonable price that more customers can afford. However, this number varies from girl to girl. But there will come a point when you raise your prices that more & more men will stop paying, thus you'll be making LESS than if you charged a lower price.

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    I would never tell anyone how they should make their money, so if it works for you. All the power to you.

    This is my personal take on the whole issue. I am at 4.99/5.99 and if I want to offer a group of guys a 'reduced price' show then I will run a gold show. I have a hard time focusing when the 30 second peepers come in since sometimes the guy who is paying will get pissed off with you addressing another guy because it means less attention for him.
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    kandikush- didn't you used to do porn? you need to maximize that. get listed in the porn star category and start charging a lot more per min. you could be making serious money if you list yourself in the porn star category. wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissKatie View Post
    While the higher priced perform (maybe) less shows and come out with more or maybe the same.
    lol what? The goal is to ALWAYS be in private and always be making money. You just want the most people in there as possible. The amount is different for each girl. If you have good traffic, this is often accomplished for some girls by lower rates. Like has been mentioned over & over, its different for every girl. But just because a girl charges low doesn't mean she's selling herself short. Profit is what matters in the long run. Hence Gold Shows. Girls charging a guy $5 or less often times who a WHOLE show. That's less than $1 per minute usually. And many girls do them. I personally don't do them because I mostly do fetish, but girls who do vanilla shows tend to like them because LOTS of guys join. That's why majority of the top girls on SM do them.


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    we understand...you make a shit ton of money camming. you have said it over and over. i promise you we understand. you constantly bragging about how much money you make an hour is what brings so many girls to Adultwork---but you complain that it is being flooded with girls.
    I thought Miss Katie said she only works an hour a day though and only worked a full shift one time? Idk, I'm going by full shifts (like 4-5 hours a day or more). An hour or two won't give you much insight as to your overall rates being good or bad as it could be the time of day. Or also, a HUGE one, it could be because your regulars can only catch you for that hour so you mostly are getting money from regulars which drastically skews your income way up than if you worked more hours, it would be wayyyy lower due to less regulars. But the benefit to that is that you gain more regulars over time and the process repeats.

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    I understand what Katie is saying and she makes a good point.

    I still believe that the higher you charge (sane rates! not $20/per minute lol), the more you make with less effort, less shows, rather than a girl who charges $1/per minute. Do the math. It's there. $2.99-$3.99 is really the standard. Men are comfortable paying that. Why give them a "discount"? I'd rather make more money, and have less time in private. I don't understand. But that's just my opinion on the matter.

    For me I can still say that when I bumped my prices I got better guys in my room and my privates are still consistent. I just suggest it because I've had such a good experience raising my rates, there aren't any downsides to doing it if you're successful with it.







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    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    I still believe that the higher you charge (sane rates! not $20/per minute lol), the more you make with less effort, less shows, rather than a girl who charges $1/per minute. Do the math. It's there. $2.99-$3.99 is really the standard. Men are comfortable paying that. Why give them a "discount"? I'd rather make more money, and have less time in private. I don't understand. But that's just my opinion on the matter.
    I don't think so though. What about Gold Shows? Girls make a killing off those and are usually charging the guy less than a dollar per minute. But it does depend on the girl. Without knowing much about a girl in question (her look, her placement, how long she's been camming, etc.) its hard to tell who will be better doing what. But the difference is: its different for everyone. So if someone charges low, it does not mean they are selling themselves short. They are just charging (well hopefully) the amounts that make them the most money with the least amount of effort regardless of how low or high the rates are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    I don't think so though. What about Gold Shows? Girls make a killing off those and are usually charging the guy less than a dollar per minute.
    Sorry, should have clarified. I was making the point about privates, not gold shows. Not everyone works on SM.







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    Quote Originally Posted by HaydenBlue View Post
    Sorry, should have clarified. I was making the point about privates, not gold shows. Not everyone works on SM.
    Yeah I think that's a big issue. This info only applies to sites with big traffic (OP was talking about Streamate). If you charge low on slower sites (Cams, Adultwork, Naked, etc etc), it doesn't make sense because you can't get a lot of guys in private at once because the sites lack the traffic.

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    Ok, I guess we can all just agree that it just boils down to the individual girl and whatever she feels like charging and is comfortable working with.

    I have my own personal opinions on it, but I'm stubborn about it. lol. Same for other girls - on both sides of the coin. No one is necessarily wrong, and no one is necessarily right.

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