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    I think it's unlikely you will be charged with prostitution unless you were "caught in the act" with someone or did something with a cop who was working undercover. If the club is going to be raided then I'm thinking it's more about the owner's violations than yours no?
    What will be the main issue is the license holders loosing their license to have the establishment and probably the fines they might have to deal with etc.

    So long as you are not caught doing anything - and have a valid ID on you if you are asked - (and aren't illegal, have warrants etc etc) then I think it's unlikely you're going to spend a night in jail.

    Although, especially living in NYC, I put minimal faith in the decisions cops make sometimes - they do have to have probable cause.

    However, I could be totally off base.

    I have however heard of actual brothels being raided and only the madam, girl caught out and phone girl getting arrested, the other girls simply had their IDs checked and were told to go home.

    I guess it depends on the individual case and the cops handling things.

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    Law enforcement may very well have visited the club several times in the past, and have warrants for entertainers who engaged in high contact lap dances. It happens.

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    Melonie would be great info source on this type of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by portiakendall View Post
    I think it's unlikely you will be charged with prostitution unless you were "caught in the act" with someone or did something with a cop who was working undercover.
    While theoretically true, that's certainly not always the case. Clean dancers often get caught up in raids and if they choose to fight the bogus charge in court, it becomes a case of the word of a stripper vs. the word of a cop - and I bet you can guess the outcome! Like whirlerz said, Melonie should have more info on this.

    Personally, if I was expecting a club raid, I'd avoid going to work until things blow over.

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    While theoretically true, that's certainly not always the case. Clean dancers often get caught up in raids and if they choose to fight the bogus charge in court, it becomes a case of the word of a stripper vs. the word of a cop - and I bet you can guess the outcome! Like whirlerz said, Melonie should have more info on this.
    Yup ... been there ... bogusly busted ... spent a night as a guest of the county ... found guilty of bogus charges by local yokel judge and jury of jealous houswives and bible-thumping retirees based on testimony of a ( lying ) local hero cop ... eventually found innocent on appeal once ( the lack of ) actual evidence was examined ... cost me nearly $10 grand in legal fees and lost income when all was said and done, with the vast majority of that money going toward filing the appeal !!!

    I would worry a lot more about being bogusly busted in Ohio than in NYC ... due to the local cops having far fewer 'real' crimes to worry about, and due to the fact that typical local jury members are far less likely to be 'liberal minded' about girls who choose to work as 'strippers'.

    Indeed bogus busts often involve 'sweeps'. This is especially true during election years when politicians / DA's are looking to generate big news headlines. And the news media doesn't care whether the bust count is legitimate or bogus ( they never report how the cases eventually turn out anyhow ).

    Lacking the cash to hire your own lawyer and present your own defense, the typical outcome is that the 'swept up' dancers will be given the opportunity to accept a plea bargain arranged by the club's attorney. Accepting this will get you released and back to work the very next night. You may even get away without having to pay any fine money out of your own pocket. Accepting a plea bargain deal will also essentially allow you to avoid court appearances. But it WILL leave a black mark on your permanent record because the plea bargain is essentially an admission of guilt. And that black mark will show up in every future background check. Also, odds are that you'll never be given the opportunity to explain to potential future 'straight job' employers that the 'crime' you committed was for failing to stop an ( undercover cop ) customer from touching your boob during a private dance, not for giving him a BJ !

    If there's any 'good' side to this, it's that future bogus busts really can't do you any more 'damage' beyond that inflicted by the first bogus bust ( assuming you accepted the low cost plea bargain option and associated black mark on your record ). Ironically, this leads to many busted dancers coming to the highly logical conclusion that they have absolutely nothing additional to lose, but a whole lot to potentially gain ( from a financial standpoint ), by actually offering BJ's to customers in the future.

    I would also point out that, under the Ohio prostitution law you posted, if you touch your own breast ( = sexual contact ) in exchange for money ( private dance payment, even stage tips ), you can technically be found guilty by a judge who chooses to interpret the law literally ! This is yet another irony, that under a strict interpretation of the law, most clubs and dancers are technically violating the letter of the law on a nightly basis ... and would find it impossible to earn money if they didn't !
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    What makes you think that your club is about to be raided?
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    ^What Sophia said.
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    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

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    A plea results in a conviction for something. Depending on the jurisdiction, a first offense could be a misdemeanor and a second offense could be a felony. Look at the statutes in your jurisdiction.

    Also the ‘club attorney’ is likely to be a marginal bottom feeder, as far as ability is concerned. Some courthouse hangers on couldn’t try a case any more than a cat could fly a rocket ship to the moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    Also the ‘club attorney’ is likely to be a marginal bottom feeder, as far as ability is concerned.
    Yes and no. I've encountered some talented club attorneys. However, they get paid by the CLUB. Therefore they have the CLUBS best interest at heart. If they get the chance to throw a dancer or two under the bus and claim that the club was unaware of anything hinky happening... guess what.... that's exactly what they are going to do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    ^What Sophia said.
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    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

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    If they get the chance to throw a dancer or two under the bus and claim that the club was unaware of anything hinky happening... guess what.... that's exactly what they are going to do.
    Yup ... that's the part of the plea bargain deal that the dancers seldom hear about. In exchange for 'delivering' de-facto guilty pleas to the DA via encouraging plea bargain acceptance by as large a number of busted dancers as possible ... and sometimes throwing in club payment of the dancers' bail / fines as a 'sweetener' ... the club's attorney gets the DA to agree that all potential charges against the club / clubowner will be dropped ! You really didn't think that the club owner and/or club attorney would be 'helping' busted dancers with their legal problems purely out of the goodness of their hearts, did you ?


    Depending on the jurisdiction, a first offense could be a misdemeanor and a second offense could be a felony. Look at the statutes in your jurisdiction.
    Actually, unless organized multiple girl activities are involved, virtually all state prostitution laws never exceed 'misdemeanor' level for charges brought against one girl. This in fact contributes to the 'moral hazard' situation of busted dancers reaching the conclusion that they have absolutely nothing additional to lose by getting hit with a second or third or fourth ( misdemeanor ) prostitution charge ... but they can earn a ton of additional money by performing actual acts of prostitution for club customers in between busts !!!

    In past years, multiple charges could generally result in the DA denying additional future plea bargains, and the girl spending some time as the guest of the county. However, with today's local gov't budget problems, the DA would much prefer receiving a $1500 fine payment ( or whatever ) and the county NOT having to spend $200 a day ( or whatever ) on incarceration costs where 'victimless crimes' and 'non-violent' offenders are concerned.

    Multiple charges generally make 'expungement' of the girl's criminal record impossible as well. However, with the exception of a handful of states, seeking 'expungement' requires that the girl pony up $5,000+ in legal fees out of her own pocket to bring a separate legal proceeding a year or two after the original bust ... with no guarantees that the legal proceeding will be successful in getting her criminal record 'expunged' after the money has already been spent. Needless to say, extremely few busted girls bother trying to obtain 'expungement' ... since even if successful a second bogus bust would 'undo' it anyhow !


    A plea results in a conviction for something
    When a plea bargain is accepted, technically speaking there is no conviction. However, agreeing to the plea bargain is legally equivalent to pleading guilty to the charge. Sometimes the DA will agree to substitute a lesser charge ( like lewd conduct instead of prostitution ) but accepting the plea deal still amounts to entering a de-facto guilty plea. And that makes any future legal appeal impossible.
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    Peace out
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