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    Quote Originally Posted by amanda36c View Post
    Of course I've Googled my handle. I know about niches. I have evolved through several of them online since 1997. I know exactly what I'm talking about when I say that traffic is different from one girl to the next. There's always going to be one girl who's got bigger melons, is prettier, offers more, shows it all in free chat, etc. I understand that there are always going to be girls with way more to offer to the masses than myself and other girls in the listings.

    We're giving them 65%. Any girl who feels she has to promote herself, when she's only taking home 35% of it, plainly ... can't be very wise. The reason we give them 65% is for the traffic, platform, features, etc. Yes, traffic is a huge part of that percentage. Even the girls who use Mtree are making money with that affiliate program and it doesn't matter where the members spend their money, she gets her cut, regardless. So none of that is relevant to her 35% and why on earth she would work her ass off to bring in traffic to a site that takes so much of her earnings. I do my part, which is to work the free room and satisfy members in the pay rooms, but I'll be damned if I'm going to do it ALL for 35%; bring in the guests, convert them, service them, retain them ... all for a measly 35%? lol So seriously ... who brings their own traffic to the site? I mean, we're talking Streamate here, who pay 35% right? Just want to make sure we're on the same page, Sarah.

    Next month, I will be celebrating my 15th year as a camgirl. If anyone has been around this long, you know there have been major changes around these woods and I am not just talking about increase in performers, competing sites. Sites are taking way more than they used to and providing less. I entered into this industry when there were just 2 camsites on the planet. I've seen algorhythms put into place, the creation of fan clubs, even been part of some of that stuff. Then, I got majorly screwed over (but that's a story for another day perhaps, lol). Been there, done that. None of that is news to me Sarah. Sorry. I could probably elaborate on every point you've made though some I disagree with. I'm not going to pick though. Your experiences are your experiences and I'm sure you're richer for them , as we all tend to learn and grow from our experiences.

    Whoever thinks traffic doesn't matter - is living in a dream world. Wait and you'll see. It's a numbers game. If the numbers are no longer there (in the way of traffic), the numbers in revenue will decline, as well. If you have to work harder, offer more to your members just to keep up with your revenues, then it's something you could have done all along, even when you had a boatload of members in your room. You would have earned more before. If you have to work harder, more hours, then you're not truly earning what you did before. You're worker harder now just to keep afloat. Damn right traffic matters.
    I'm sorry.... what? When did I EVER say traffic "does not matter"??? I don't know what you are getting onto me for, I didn't say anything to warrant you attempting to disprove any of my points. Maybe you are addressing someone else....? Of COURSE traffic matters. Anyone who says it doesn't is a damn idiot. I never said it did not matter.

    You also completely misunderstood what I said in regards to girls bringing their own traffic to the site. This is what I'm talking about, as an example: I used to have a very successful pay site before I had my kids. I have kept in touch with many of my fans over the years, and when I started to cam on Streamate, I brought those fans to the site with me. I BROUGHT MY OWN TRAFFIC. This has absolutely nothing to do with our payout percentage. Like, none. At all. I might have 50 people in my room where as you may have 20 but I probably brought at least a dozen of the guys in my room there on my own from self promoting on twitter and connecting with old fans. How does this have anything to do with my percentage? Another example: Ember Reigns (Sorry to name names, I'm going to do it, edit it if you see fit, mods) she has a hugely successful pay site as well. She has for a long time. When she has 100+ people in her room, you can sure bet that MANY of them she brought to the site on her own thru self promotion by way of her pay site, twitter, etc. etc. etc.

    Streamate takes 65% of our earnings, and I realize that a lot of girls are all hurt over that and don't think that our cut at 35% is high enough and whatever else, so you know what? If you don't like the percentage, go to a different site with a higher cut. I completely feel like the 65% that Streamate takes from my earnings is just fine, considering the amount of traffic that the site has. I am totally willing to fork over 65% for a site with high amounts of traffic, you know why? Because I know that TRAFFIC MATTERS. Go to a site that has 50% pay out to models, sure you might get a higher cut, but will you REALLY make more money??? Because if you can find a site that has the volume of traffic that Streamate has, and gives a higher cut to the models, you be sure to let us all know. And no, I'm not talking about MFC. Any site other than MFC because we all know that it takes a lot more than traffic to make it on that site.

    The point is, Streamate is what it is. And it's probably going to keep changing. And everyone is going to have to adapt or move on to a different site. If completely refusing to do gold shows and flashing tits for $5 gold is what you feel like is going to make you money, great. Do it. But don't complain when you refuse to adapt and then you quit making money.
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    The only thing I'm going to address here is your last paragraph. It's the only one that makes any sense. You're mistaken though. I did offer Gold Shows. In fact, I was one of the first girls to test that feature, long before it even went mainstream. I used it for a good while, too. The reason I stopped using it was because traffic died. I complained because I was being harrassed and threatened in my room. Wrote about it in my blog, as well as on Twitter. I was pissed because Streamate told me they looked into it, after I reported it, but nothing was even followed up and it never stopped. It got worse and worse. It continues, every night in my room. Before you go off blaming me becvause maybe I haven'e 'evolved' (great excuse, btw!), do your homework. I don't sit there offering boobs for gold all night and nothing else. Obviously, you have been in my room because you know that I offer that, as well as refuse to offer Gold shows. If there is no trafic to support Gold shows, then you don't do Gold shows! Simple. I've seen girls (the one you mentioned even) cancelling Gold shows because they failed to meet their goal. With well over 100 members in their room, they still fail to meet their goal. Again, do your homework. You have no idea what you're talking about, Sarah. Seriously, do some research and I don't mean by hanging out in my room, drawing all sorts of assinine assumptions.

    Don't bother responding. I don't argue with people who haven't a clue what they are talking about. lol

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    Excuse me? How does everything I said make no sense? Seriously are you even reading what I am writing? It makes complete sense.

    I actually do know what I am talking about, and THAT is the reason you have absolutely nothing to say about it. It's not real hard to figure out.

    And yes, I have been in LOTS of girls rooms. It's part of "research" to see how the traffic is for other people, if others are meeting goals, etc. There is nothing wrong with this. I don't have a members account so I just browse rooms on occasion without being logged in. I never say anything and I don't join shows. And yes, I have seen you tell your members that you are NO LONGER doing Gold Shows. I NEVER said you have not tried them.

    Look, if sitting there flashing for $5 gold and playing air tit guitar is the strategy that you think is going to make money..... well....... okay then. And you say that I AM the one who has no idea what I'm talking about??? Lets get real here. You do that, and I'll go back to making $80-$100 PER HOUR on this "shitty" site that everyone claims Streamate is these days.
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    Yes just hang in there! It will get better.

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    I don't watch many girls online anymore and I don't have a customer account. I don't offer gold shows because they don't work for me. But I have seen them work for a lot of girls. I have also seen girls with 200+ guys in their room, but that's more rare lately and seems to have applied more when Gold Shows first came out, though like I said I don't watch rooms much anymore (though I don't find anything wrong with doing so).

    Sorry, Amanda, I've never seen your free chat for more than a few seconds. I'm sure you have lots of experience to bring to your room and that you'll be successful in whatever you decide to do. So please don't think anything I am about to say is for you, because it's not.

    threadjack:

    Sarah, I recently watched one of your countdowns because I was curious. I hadn't seen you for longer than a few seconds and wanted to see how you handle your room. I am not really worried about what girls are doing in their rooms as much as I am interested in sometimes seeing how they handle jerks and beggars. I have to say that I was seriously impressed. You didn't get upset with anyone, even when they were being obnoxious and that seemed to get rid of the beggars for the most part. The mood was light, there were obviously a lot of regulars and return customers in there who adore you. You were friendly and entertaining. You showed off your butt a lot more than I do, but it worked for you and you still made your goal, which I thought was a very reasonable goal. And your butt seems to be a useful asset Anyway, this has nothing to do with anything else. I just wanted to lighten the mood and tell you that I admired the way your handled your room.

    /threadjack

    I have noticed a lot of fluctuation in my earnings since I started on SM, and I have no idea what it's due to. We can experiment and speculate, but the truth is that we can only control so many variables. Most of the variables are out of our control. There's holidays, the weather, trends on sites (many), threads on websites that drive traffic and attitudes of customers, there's promotion (SM's promotion of us), there's economic factors.... I could go on and on. Each time the traffic changes and I'm making more or less money, I try to look at all the possible variables and come to a conclusion about the cause. But the truth is that I am not omniscient and I will probably never know.

    As much as I complain about SM, I am grateful for what I make on there, and I try to keep it in perspective.

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    why is everyone getting upset over different strategies of earning money? i don't get it?

    THROW SOME MUD INTO THE MIX AND MAKE THINGS INTERESTING GOD DAMMIT


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    LOL Hey, I am always super nice, and try to stay out of drama. My original response to Amanda was very nice and respectful, and it made complete sense and applied. When she comes back at me with random nonsense and attacking me.....

    .... well fine I'll show you some mud......

    I have no problem with how girls make their money. If it works for them/you/etc. GREAT. HOWEVER - SM has ups and downs, but it is NOT a "shitty site" with "no traffic" or "nothing but beggars" if it were, I would not be able to make the money that I make. Even during "slow" times I still make more than I would on any other site. And I might add that this is WITHOUT selling myself short, giving away too much for free, etc.

    Just because some girls say that it is super slow and the traffic is dead, doesn't make that the case for the entire site. Take a look at some of these girls and their strategies, and you can see where they could make some improvements that could increase their income. But, we are not here to tell each other how to work. I am just saying, if it's not working for a performer, that performer needs to re-evaluate what they are doing and try to change it up. It's just the smart thing to do. And I am speaking about all performers in general, NOT one specific person.

    But what the hell do I know, right?
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    Lol! interesting to see different views, i'm yet to do some research and see how other girls get on so when it comes to comparison i've not a clue.. just varied opinions here getting a bit steamy huh, i've read yours and amandas discussion and cant say i disagree on any of it, think both of you have misunderstood a lot of what the other has said, so lets all go have a cuppa tea, how many sugars? ;-)


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    If for some girls it works to be dancing there barely naked go for it, if for others it works to be full covered only showing their neck naked go for it, SM is not a shitty place of course maybe it doesnt have tons of traffic like Livejasmin or MFC for example, but why on earth would I want tons of traffic where 95% of it are freeloaders 'hey bb show ass', 'hey cutie squeeze those boobs' , 'mmm bb flash something', cause that's the kind of traffic you usually get on big massive traffic sites, where most of the guys on your room are 'guest' and 'basic members' without $$$$ demanding and requesting, I prefer thousand times to have little traffic that comes to my room 'hey bb do you do anal in pvt?' and if I answer yes bang PVT instead of having a full room of begars just to said 'ohhh how many traffic this site has'. I dont get to many traffic on SM, for lots of reasons like I dont use HD Encoder, my sound sometimes works other's dont, I split with other sites so I know that there must be a little lag...but hey! I can't complain cause even if I dont get too much begars traffic the little traffic that I get on SM gives me more money than what I earn mostly on other sites with HUGE traffic like Livejasmin. So, even if sometimes on SM after a few hours I have only $15 or $20 on my balance, usually I make 3 or 4 times that money there, on other cams sites sometimes I dont make even $5 per day and Im talking of cams sites with HUGE traffic annoying and begars on my room. Remember that we're on camsites to make money, not to make friends with begars asking to pls show something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelyx View Post
    If for some girls it works to be dancing there barely naked go for it, if for others it works to be full covered only showing their neck naked go for it, SM is not a shitty place of course maybe it doesnt have tons of traffic like Livejasmin or MFC for example, but why on earth would I want tons of traffic where 95% of it are freeloaders 'hey bb show ass', 'hey cutie squeeze those boobs' , 'mmm bb flash something', cause that's the kind of traffic you usually get on big massive traffic sites, where most of the guys on your room are 'guest' and 'basic members' without $$$$ demanding and requesting, I prefer thousand times to have little traffic that comes to my room 'hey bb do you do anal in pvt?' and if I answer yes bang PVT instead of having a full room of begars just to said 'ohhh how many traffic this site has'. I dont get to many traffic on SM, for lots of reasons like I dont use HD Encoder, my sound sometimes works other's dont, I split with other sites so I know that there must be a little lag...but hey! I can't complain cause even if I dont get too much begars traffic the little traffic that I get on SM gives me more money than what I earn mostly on other sites with HUGE traffic like Livejasmin. So, even if sometimes on SM after a few hours I have only $15 or $20 on my balance, usually I make 3 or 4 times that money there, on other cams sites sometimes I dont make even $5 per day and Im talking of cams sites with HUGE traffic annoying and begars on my room. Remember that we're on camsites to make money, not to make friends with begars asking to pls show something.
    Streamate and MFC have right about the same amount of traffic. LiveJasmin only has the traffic it does because of it's advertising, much of which is pop under advertising that the surfer doesn't even realize has opened in a new window. MOST of LJ traffic is not paying traffic.

    I have been on sites that have lower traffic and I personally have not experienced it being "better" than the high traffic sites. I can see how this might work out though for some girls. For example, lets say that on Streamate a girl is listed on page 3 of online models. She's not going to get a lot of traffic and she's going to get some beggars and hopefully she'll make some money. She is likely going to view Streamate as having "shitty" traffic and being "full of freeloaders" and all of that type of stuff. Now if that same girl were to go to a lower traffic site, she might have better placement, and she might get "better" traffic because maybe the guys that are clicking into her room are actually interested in her more than the guys on high traffic sites that are just clicking and clicking and clicking through multiple rooms.

    But, it really is quite simple. The more traffic a site has, the more potential it has for that traffic to be paying traffic. I believe that MFC and LiveJasmin both have sort of "exceptions" to this simple rule. MFC has tons of traffic, like I said tho it's right about equal with SM, however MFC traffic is not going to pay for something that they are getting right there in front of them FOR FREE. Sure some guys pay, but in general, they won't pay for what they get for free. LiveJasmin like I said, most people don't even know they have stumbled onto the site by way of pop ups, so there is A LOT more traffic than MFC or SM but, it's not "quality" traffic.

    I just wonder, the people that have been coming onto stripperweb lately and saying that Streamate sucks and they have made like $10 in 3 hours or something, where is their placement? Are they using the encoder? What is their attitude like? What is their setup like? Are they looking interested and awake and approachable? Are they hustling? Etc...

    There are so many factors that you can adjust and tweak and so many things you can do yourself to improve your chances of making money, even when the traffic on a site is taking a hit. I myself even complained the last couple months when Streamate was slower, but I did things to adjust and make sure I was still making money, and everyone can do this to give themselves the best chance. Instead, it seems like people come to stripperweb and talk about how shitty Streamate has become and how awful the traffic is and how many freeloaders there are and all of that, when they could be trying new things to improve and adjust to slower times. It gives off this false image that Streamate is a shitty site when in fact it's the best cam site out there right now. But hey, if anyone wants to quit working on Streamate because they think it sucks, that's their choice. More traffic for everyone else, I suppose...?
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    I think an important factor that we often don't discuss because it's kind of a sensitive topic, is that some girls just have a wider appeal.

    Some women fit into more of a niche market, so even if they are doing everything right, they will only appeal to the niche of guys that like mature women, bbw, heavily tattoo'ed etc. And yes they can make money, but they do not have the wide appeal to make the money that a girl who has a great attitude/set-up AND looks like a Victoria secret model/sexy average girl next door can.

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