I hang my head in shame to be from the same state as this moron...





I hang my head in shame to be from the same state as this moron...
That's...wow.





Doesn't surprise me at all.





He's a moron and this goes too far but the unwed parent epidemic is a problem. I know this will probably cause a flame but I'm going by what I've seen. I know single moms who were career focused and their clock was running out so they had babies. Yes these kids were out of wedlock but do not think they will grow up bad and the moms are very responsible women. In one case that I personally know of a family friend had a baby around 40, loves her career and actually lives by the Obamas in Chicago. Her child is doing amazing and the dad is in the picture though they never married. However, I also know many women (most young)who had babies out of wedlock and went on welfare. In many cases they kept repeating this mistake and my taxes kept going up. More often than not their kids repeated the mistake. Out of wedlock is the cause for many issues such as gang members and the general decay of society. In the many cases I personally know the dad left when she was pregnant and instead of him and the woman paying for the kids I have to pay. These people ruin nice areas and turn them into ghetto areas. I saw it with my former location turned into a ghetto from upper middle class once the welfare section 8 people moved in. It was common to see women with several kids on food stamps. Meanwhile dad is nowhere to be found or he's too lazy to work.
I do feel the best choice for a child is two parents and I strongly prefer they are married. However if they aren't but are coparenting and aren't depending on me to support them I have no issue. I also have no issue with single moms having babies on their that they are supporting. I do feel strongly about those who have babies knowing they can't afford them and expecting me to pay for their choice. So no in general single parents aren't more likely to abuse but yes I do feel those who abuse the system by having kids they can't afford are abusing their kids in a way.


^wouldn't the problem be poverty then, and not single-parenthood?
I think it's important we actually get to the root of social issues instead of idealizing marriage as some sort of panacea for issues that correlate with poverty, gang violence, etc. but for which there's not necessarily always direct causality.





Yes poverty is a problem but we need to stop glamorizing the idea it's perfectly fine to have kids one isn't married to (or at least in a long term marriage). The problem is many of the single moms we are talking about have no problem having kid after kid because they aren't paying. Dad doesn't stick around in most of these cases and these kids grow up to join gangs and other groups because they need that father figure.
What we need to do is several things. We need to stop telling people that they will have welfare to depend on when they keep repeating this mistake. We need to go after the dads much more than we do and force them to pay. We also need to get rid of this thug mentality we have in this society.
I'm gonna have to disagree with this. I think that children being born to single moms or unmarried parents is more common now for a few reasons. But you seem to be mostly talking about single moms with little income, and in this case I do not think it truly causes gang members or "the general decay of society" but is itself also a symptom of larger and more complex issues.
This makes me think of a book I read for school. It's called "In Search of Respect: Selling Crack in El Barrio" and its an ethnography done by Philippe Bourgois, in East Harlem. His focus is on the underground crack economy, but he talks about a lot of issues such as why the kids came to join gangs, sell drugs, and drop out of school. Why young girls became parents so early. The difficulties people had when trying to find "straight" jobs. Aparthied in the US. Institutionalized racism. The war on drugs. Poverty. I could go on forever, and really it is a great book. It is very eye-opening and really shows how complex and interconnected some of these issues are.
I recommend that anyone ever read it, but I think you especially would find it interesting.
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I'm not saying a father figure isn't important, but I think this is an over-simplification of why kids join gangs.
Gangs provide a sense of acceptance and respect. In situations of poverty and social marginilization not only is having a father at home extremely unlikely due to reasons beyond just unwed parents, but I'm not sure having a Dad would be enough to keep a kid from falling into it anyway.
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Lol did anyone read the pamphlet or whatever at the end? So ass-backwards.
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It's common now because it's accepted in society and the idea is if one can't afford to pay for one's kids let the government pay for it. Also because people have sex way too early without thinking of the consequences. I blame many factors including the media and the change in society. That's the simple reason this is happening. The other reason is because many women want kids and don't want a husband but this seems to be mostly common with the career women, who are a small minority of those doing this. Something like 80% of babies who are born out of wedlock are born on assistance. That is a disgrace. I often imagine what I would do with my extra money that instead I pay to support these people.





The dads don't stick around because to the women they were nothing more than sex toys. Blunt yes but true. A child needs a dad and while some kids do fine without, most kids without an involved dad do get into trouble, whether it's gangs or unwed parenthood themselves. We need to stigmatize these men who don't stick around instead of glorifying them. They need to be treat like the scum they are. Of course in many cases the men get the women pregnant just to get welfare. Trust me I have seen this firsthand. We as a society marginalized dads and it sickens me. A child needs a dad and when a woman has sex with a man who won't stick around we all pay whether crimewise or taxpayer.
There's a lot of weird old-fashioned judgmental stuff in this thread and it's kind of disappointing to me. Raising a kid as a single parent is not child abuse. End of story. Single parenthood isn't the problem with society, it's the prejudices IN society and the fact that people do not start off on a level playing field in this country. Low-income families aren't these weird welfare-obsessed rabbits that breed just to get money. The assumption that that's what's going on is the problem.
poverty has always been around(more so in the past) but people used to be alot more respectful and responsible for their actions now you get kids being dragged up by single mothers who breed and breed as a way to get money off the government, we have it here in the uk breed and breed as a single mother, don't work and you get all the benefits under the sun, of course hardly any of the moeny goes on the kids, it all goes on ciggies, booze and weed while the kids are left to their own devices before going on to do the same when they reach 16! thefather used to be an example went to work,disciplined the children and helped the mother not anymore! i don't care what anyone says there is no more stable way to bring up a child than a respectful responsible mother and father!





LoL @ the idea that marriage is the answer. Especially with the current divorce rate. Also BIG LoL at "Out of wedlock is the cause for many issues such as gang members and the general decay of society". Let me know when actual facts and reality become pertinent to your pov.
Are you for real?? First of all, marriage doesn't mean shit these days. The fact that you think it does is romatically absurd. Having children out of wedlock isn't the problem. Neither is welfare when it's used properly. Get off your high horse.
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omg. this is so wrong.
my single mom was the best single mom ever.
How dare he? fucking idiot.......
on the poverty arguement i also wonder how many people living in the west know the definition of real poverty, my husband grew up in a slum, 5 of them in a small room, no tv, toilets and washing facilities shared by the whole neighbourhood and a single burner as a means of cooking food which was limited, his parents both working all the hours god sent, i saw a woman on oprah in a speacial episode of poverty in america, she had enough money to run a small car and a small but decent house, her main gripe was the area she lived in, poverty my arse! "oooh i live in an area that ain't great im in poverty i'll go out robbing, ooh i don't have the latest iphone i'm in poverty give me a handout!"
i agree "if you can't feed em, don't breed em" so many scroungers and parasites around today, sorry pay for your own kids i don't want to many decent people can only afford one or two kids while unemployed chav mums have as many as they want all paid for by the good taxpayer!



According to "actual facts and reality", children born to single mothers are much more likely to grow up poor, uneducated and turn to crime. This has been proven by study after study and is reflected in all credible statistics.
If anyone is getting on a high horse here, it's those who preach about reality while parroting pc talking points that fly in the face of all evidence.





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Stigmatizing single poor mothers as "parasites" who "breed uncontrollably" doesn't actually solve the social problems of poverty and gang violence, any more than stigmatizing strippers as disgusting dumb sluts who can't do anything better with themselves makes our lives or situations any better or motivates any of us in any positive way out of the sex industry.


Also, I'm surprised no one has brought up partner-violence in this discussion of single-parenthood. I know lots of couples w/ kids (both married and unmarried) who've broken up because the father beat the mother, and either beat the kids or the mother couldn't bear to raise her children in a household with a potentially abusive dad.
In this case, again, the "problem" is presumed to be single-parenthood (in which most of the blame is placed on women) instead of domestic violence, patriarchy, entitlement over women's bodies, etc.
AAAAND the average # of kids in a family receiving TANF is... TWO. Lol @ the racist-ass Welfare Queen stereotype.



In other words, you don't have one.
This describes some situations, but by no means all. In fact, unlike your experience, most single parents I know ended up that way for no other reason than irresponsibility and lack of proper life planning.
I also don't consider single motherhood to be solely the fault of the mother. The fathers are just as guilty for abandoning their children.
i actually said there are too many parasites, and there are, the benefit culture is out of control,not just single mothers why should some people have a free ride while the rest of us pay for it, oooh look whats in the news today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-dad-home.html
there are pleanty of people who breed uncontrollably they think its their right and then cry poverty.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...eets-them.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-useless.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oplifting.html
what poverty anyway?people sleeping 5 to a room without proper facilities? not enough food? no running water or electric? children who are at wrk from the age of 4?
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