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    Quote Originally Posted by Vela Valentine View Post
    ... Top girl on Streamate is struggling towards a $20 gold show right now.... That is disheartening.
    I was struggling to make a $20 gold show last week, and every time I check out how the top girls are doing in their GOLD shows, it's always bad (they're like way off their targets). It's very disheartening.

    The most positive thing I can get from this is at least I can concentrate on a site (MFC right now) that I know will for sure make me more than SM at the moment.




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    I was struggling to make a $20 gold show last week, and every time I check out how the top girls are doing in their GOLD shows, it's always bad (they're like way off their targets). It's very disheartening.

    The most positive thing I can get from this is at least I can concentrate on a site (MFC right now) that I know will for sure make me more than SM at the moment.
    I've noticed this too...a lot of top girls not making thier goals.... I wish I had been on sm when gold shows first came out and it as super easy to make your goal....*sigh*

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    UGHH All week I've been having technical issues. SM and the encoder, MFC, my camera broke, my internet connection is off/on. I blame mercury retrograde. I've worked on these technical issues for 3 hours so far over this week, I was only able to get online to cam for 6.5 hours. Of those 6.5 hours - I haven't made any money. Not 1 penny. I'm about to cry... and now I need to buy a new camera.

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    I think another reason camming sucks right now is that the quality of the customer has drastically diminished. Even though I've been doing this for only four months, I have a few friends who've been doing it for a year or more and their income has significantly went down and the level of jumpers, beggars, etc has gone significantly up. The previous comment about a top model struggling to get a $20 GOLD show seems to indicate that it is not anyone's fault if they're not making bank. It's the fact that SM seems to use false advertising and obtains their customer base from tube sites like XHamster and Spankwire. I sat in free chat and did 2 GOLD show countdowns this morning and last night with a half hour waittime and a $1 GOLD minimum buyin. Jumpers abounded and beggars and moochers conquered all. It's so difficult at times not to take it personally, but the fact that rudeness and stinginess are so widespread is really not a reflection of the model. The more I do this, the more I am convinced that it's all about how tight you are with SM's top people, whether or not you're in a studio who pays big bucks to keep you on the first page,etc. The rules are selectively enforced and the frustration is not worth 35%. And lowering your private and exclusive rates seems to do absolutely nothing. People are going to do what they're going to do. It doesn't matter if you're completely clothed in free, if someone REALLY wants to take you private they will.

    And when you have a 5 star rating and use the encoder like I do and have models with 3 or 4 star ratings ranked ahead of you, something's wrong there.

    And SM needs to fix their servers or at least debug that damned encoder.

    Going indie will be a much more fulfilling thing, even though the work will be harder.

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    I sat in free chat and did 2 GOLD show countdowns this morning and last night with a half hour waittime and a $1 GOLD minimum buyin. Jumpers abounded and beggars and moochers conquered all. It's so difficult at times not to take it personally, but the fact that rudeness and stinginess are so widespread is really not a reflection of the model.

    Yes I completely do NOT blame any model who is selling her shows at $1. The whole point is that she is selling shows - rather than constantly spending her working day waiting for the chance. People need to make a living. And if they're failing to make that living with the now rather elusive $1 per min buy-in style that used to be seen constantly (I used to do $10 for 10 mins, $100 - $150 target and 10 mins pre-show countdown. Or $5 for 5 mins, $100 target), it's going to be a matter of having to adjust to what your clients will actually pay for, so there's actually a chance of getting paid here.

    I know for myself I tried EVERYTHING before I considered $1 buy-in GOLD shows. And even when I started doing $1 buy-ins, my targets were still things like $99, $100, $150, with pic set sales for a $20 tip. No dice with targets like that, which is why I went right down to $20 - and I still didn't make them.

    I do accept partial fault: for not having an internet connection to support HD streaming. But, I already forked out a lot of money for a high-end laptop and saw nothing but further falling SM earnings, plus atop of that - seeing girls with fantastic quality HD stream failing their targets just the same... It doesn't exactly make me willing to invest much time in Streamate with this happening. I like seeing my investments pay off in some way, and I know that it logically should, so I will go where I can see rewards for my effort and investment.

    My plan these days, is to make at least $240 per week (bare min for me) on Streamate, and at least $1015 per pay-out (bare min also) on MFC.
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    Thank you Incantatious and blt3790. My thoughts exactly.

    It is really tough sitting there for 3 hours and making only minimum wage (that was me last night). It now takes me 10 hrs to make the same money I used to make in 1-2 on SM. Amazing.

    I know I will be trying something new since the old things aren't working. For one, I'm going to start telling my SM regulars to follow me on twitter so they know where I end up after SM. I don't care if SM doesn't like it - they can suck it. :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Via Flaminia View Post
    I know I will be trying something new since the old things aren't working. For one, I'm going to start telling my SM regulars to follow me on twitter so they know where I end up after SM. I don't care if SM doesn't like it - they can suck it. :-D
    I've been considering this too...I'm also considering quitting camming altogether. This is now 3 weeks in a row I did not make min payout. I got on cam for 4 hours tonight and did not make any money AGAIN ...at least I didn't have the technical issues. It's just very disheartening. I still have 2 more days I can cam this week so I know I can see make it but I'm trying to get more hours at my retail job because of this uncertainty... Is November always so dead? Could be because I raised my rates too high

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vela Valentine View Post
    ... Top girl on Streamate is struggling towards a $20 gold show right now.... That is disheartening.
    I have never, ever seen a "top" Stremate girl with a $20 goal. Ever.

    What I have seen lately, is a lot of girls occupying the #1 spot because they are doing TV shows, and many of them have very small goals because their gold show averages are smaller. Maybe that's what you've seen? Since they guarantee the goal, I think they are picking girls with MUCH lower goals lately because guys just aren't buying in like they have been in the past.

    I'll just add again now that we are approaching the end of another week, my hourly has been the same but getting guys to pledge has been harder. I'm still making goals, but I'm now making them AFTER the show starts as opposed to before. If I waited to start a show to make the goal, I'd never do a gold show! So many guys are waiting to join either at the last second, or after the show starts - which is different than even just a couple months ago.

    I'm on track to have a record breaking week for myself - granted I have worked 28 hours so far and will likely be at 38 hours before pay period cut off.... as opposed to my usual 10-20 hrs, and I've only worked more this week because I was so motivated by my earnings being good... so the money is still there... you just have to change up your strategy and work harder for it!
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    Hi MissAdriana, I'm sorry it's so rough and I'm pulling for you like crazy (and for everyone else, too). I just wanted to let you know that I know this feeling and it is frustrating and scary, especially when bills are piling up and things in the camming world are sooooo unpredictable.

    I only have last November to compare since I am just under 2 yrs of camming. I remember ups & downs, but not like this - for longer stretches of time, and the lows seem more intense.

    Even my regulars are semi-MIA this week & last week, and they have been the only ones seeing me through all of this. I just don't know what's up & I'm a little scared that it's never going to get better. yikes.

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    Hey perk up ladies it is almost tax time! Then we will be rolling in the dough!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAdriana View Post
    I've been considering this too...I'm also considering quitting camming altogether. This is now 3 weeks in a row I did not make min payout. I got on cam for 4 hours tonight and did not make any money AGAIN ...at least I didn't have the technical issues. It's just very disheartening. I still have 2 more days I can cam this week so I know I can see make it but I'm trying to get more hours at my retail job because of this uncertainty... Is November always so dead? Could be because I raised my rates too high
    Isn't the minimum payout $20 unless you get fed ex or wire... then it's $200 and $240? If you cammed 4 hours and made absolutely nothing... I think something can't be right. Are you absolutely certain your stream is playing back correctly?

    What did you raise your rates to? I had mine high but have actually lowered them back down a bit in order to stay busy, because I hate sitting around waiting. I think I finally have a happy medium now. Is your rate comparable to others in your category? You have to be able to compete right now, but that doesn't mean charging SUPER low... just reasonable rates compared to others you are competing with.

    I really think if you are on week 3 without making minimum payout.... something's not right with your stream.
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    I need to scan my stuff for streamate
    I don't have a scanner :/

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    I need to scan my stuff for streamate
    I don't have a scanner :/
    Me neither! BUH FEAR NOT! Use a camera, phone, or your webcam.

    I used the camera on my phone to "scan" my SM shiz and all was accepted.




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    Isn't the minimum payout $20 unless you get fed ex or wire... then it's $200 and $240? If you cammed 4 hours and made absolutely nothing... I think something can't be right. Are you absolutely certain your stream is playing back correctly?

    What did you raise your rates to? I had mine high but have actually lowered them back down a bit in order to stay busy, because I hate sitting around waiting. I think I finally have a happy medium now. Is your rate comparable to others in your category? You have to be able to compete right now, but that doesn't mean charging SUPER low... just reasonable rates compared to others you are competing with.

    I really think if you are on week 3 without making minimum payout.... something's not right with your stream.
    Yeah that's right it's $240 for me. I'm thinking I haven't yet found my happy medium. Sorry for my bitching ladies I've just been trying so hard and updating my lighting, adding new pictures and yet I did better than this on my 1st week of camming.
    Last night was the 1st night this week I didn't have issues. On MFC my bandwidth read "excellent" and didn't have any complaints...or tips lol. My rates on SM have been 7.99/5.69 for the past 11 days, but I will lower them tonight. I don't mind sitting around waiting as long as I make *something* but after so many shitty weeks in a row I'm starting to think maybe this work is too unpredictable.

    I don't want to give up so soon(5mos) because in such a short amount of time camming has done a lot for me and I really enjoy it but I also have to eat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAdriana View Post
    My rates on SM have been 7.99/5.69 for the past 11 days
    I know there is a big "raise your rates" thing here, which is great in theory... but we have to take into account that customers are feeling the pinch and not having as much money to spend. Obviously it is a personal choice what to charge, but I have myself decided to lower prices a tad in order to stay busy and it's helped a lot. I'm currently at $4.99/$7.99 and I stay very busy, but I'm also in the top 3 rows. Do you know what your placement is like?

    Are you charging more for private than you are exclusive because you want to avoid the 30 second guys? I have not tried this myself but it seems that it would be discouraging to customers... they are used to exclusive costing more and if they have to stop for a second thought to figure anything out before they take you private, that will discourage them from going private. You don't want to them to have any chance for a "second thought" and seeing private chat as so high definitely gives them a second thought. Also, when you go to enter a private chat, it selects private automatically rather than exclusive, so they have to switch it on their own which also discourages them. They see $7.99/minute and decide not to go without even checking the exclusive rate. So, you'll have to do some cost/benefit analysis and determine if this is really working for you.

    If you aren't making even $240 in a week with the hours you are putting in, I think it's probably worth changing things up. It won't hurt to try and see if you are more successful.

    Also, I know no one likes to think they are not "able" to charge high rates... and I'm not sure what category you fit into as I have no idea who you are on cam... but I honestly think the girls who are successful with high rates are pretty few... I have noticed a lot of girls who charge higher end up lowering back down again because the sad truth is that not many models can get away with such high rates. Not these days anyway. And the economy isn't looking up any time soon.... lots of companies are now laying off after the election results... it's going to get worse before it gets better, so in order to stay afloat we might have to find ourselves adjusting our private rates.
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    I agree with Sarah, for the most part. (I find myself saying that a lot....LOL!)

    I am a BIG fan of the whole raise-your-rates thing, and have pretty high rates, myself (5.99/9.99) and do well with them. I did say in another thread that I found that from 5.99-9.99 I didn't see a real difference in the money I made or the amount of time I made it in, but I definitely made it in fewer shows, which I prefer. I know that Sarah has previously said that she likes to stay busy, so having a lower rate makes sense.

    For you, by all means, play around with different rates, see how it goes. For the most part, I feel like the idea behind having "higher" rates is to keep the average around the $5 per minute mark, and prevent girls selling themselves REALLY short, which you aren't doing at the rates you quote. Drop your rates by a dollar, and see if it makes a difference - just don't, please, suddenly plummet to $1 a minute - its not worth it!!

    I also agree with Sarah that the higher rates work better when you already have decent placement. I am usually in the top 3-4 rows, and I feel like the higher volume of traffic means that I can get away with charging $10 a minute. Statistically, more guys see me, so there is a higher chance of the ones who are willing and able to spend that finding me. I also feel like many customers are more likely to assume that a girl who is placed higher is more likely to be "worth it" than one that is further back. Ridiculous, because for the most part, placement has to do with how often you are on and how long you have been doing it (IMHO).

    I had a little look back and couldn't actually see anywhere that you had said how many hours a week you are working, so it is hard to say whether or not your earnings are appropriate....I did see somewhere that you said that you had worked 4 hours and didn't make anything - is that what you are working every day? DO you work every day? Essentially, if you are just working one 4hr shift a week, I'm not really surprised that you aren't making payout - $50 an hour + on one site if you are only on sporadically isn't that common. But if you are working 4 hours a day, 6 days a week and not making $240, then there is definitely something funny going on....

    My advice would be to work on your placement as much as possible. Go online every day (or at least 5 days a week) if you can. Go on at the same times every day, and try to work 3+ hrs each day. Put it on your schedule, work that schedule, and stay consistent. I have found that working every day, or almost every day, really boosts placement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAdriana View Post
    Yeah that's right it's $240 for me. I'm thinking I haven't yet found my happy medium. Sorry for my bitching ladies I've just been trying so hard and updating my lighting, adding new pictures and yet I did better than this on my 1st week of camming.
    Last night was the 1st night this week I didn't have issues. On MFC my bandwidth read "excellent" and didn't have any complaints...or tips lol. My rates on SM have been 7.99/5.69 for the past 11 days, but I will lower them tonight. I don't mind sitting around waiting as long as I make *something* but after so many shitty weeks in a row I'm starting to think maybe this work is too unpredictable.

    I don't want to give up so soon(5mos) because in such a short amount of time camming has done a lot for me and I really enjoy it but I also have to eat!
    Also, I just saw in the makeup thread that you have the gothic look... I am not sure how big of a market there is for gothic girls, I'm sure there is some of course, but you have to take that into consideration also when choosing what to charge and what to expect from camming...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarahTime View Post
    Also, I just saw in the makeup thread that you have the gothic look... I am not sure how big of a market there is for gothic girls, I'm sure there is some of course, but you have to take that into consideration also when choosing what to charge and what to expect from camming...
    Sometimes I feel like you might do BETTER with a rarer look, especially on SM! Less competition within your niche...and there is a certain model who is in the top few rows who is all tattooed and dreadlocked and such...

    If I had the time and money, I would do so many studies into this stuff - are you more likely to earn more if you are a niche, or fit with the majority? More makeup or less? Sexy lingerie or tank tops? Couch or bed?
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    Sometimes I feel like you might do BETTER with a rarer look, especially on SM! Less competition within your niche...and there is a certain model who is in the top few rows who is all tattooed and dreadlocked and such...

    If I had the time and money, I would do so many studies into this stuff - are you more likely to earn more if you are a niche, or fit with the majority? More makeup or less? Sexy lingerie or tank tops? Couch or bed?
    Yah I agree you can totally make it with a unique look! But, I'm not sure how easily you can make it. It is a lot easier to make it in general with a mainstream look rather than something specialized because there is more volume of potential customers. I sort of feel like you have to fit the "ideal" for your niche to really, really do well. But that's an assumption of mine based off nothing but observation, so I could be and probably am totally wrong!
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    Trying to get paid is like pulling teeth...

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    I'm really starting to despise the HD encoder that streamate has us use.... Even though I have Roadrunner Turbo and have downgraded the settings, the encoder still freezes up on me and custies get pissed. It's really not me... Does anyone here not use the encoder and still get decent traffic?

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    Thank you SarahTime and ManyRoses for the insight that helps me so very much!!! I always learn something when I come on here! Tonight I tried lowering down 6.99/4.69. I will try going back to having a higher exclusive I just prefer doing excl so much more. Before those prices I think I had 5.09/5.99 and I did have more shows it kept me busier etc etc... Now that you mentioned the "second thought" I realize if you have a higher excl than priv you are actually limiting a lot of custies if they can't see that cheaper option beforehand.

    I can only cam 20 hours a week. I take off 1 day a week. If I'm honest I cam for average 15-18hrs a week. I always stick to my schedule. I have regulars but again if my priv rate is so high that means I'm depending on less people for my income thus limiting myself because less people can afford that price. It's funny because when I looked back my hours were less that week I raised my rates but I made basically the same as the preceding week just in less time. So I think I really jumped the gun on thinking that would work out. It's really hard to tell what's going to work until you do it for a few weeks. 1 time doesn't mean it'll work every time.

    I'm thinking it's the rates change thing because why would I do so well the 1st 4mos and then suddenly not make anything? Lol FAILLL I should mention I'm rated 5stars (don't really have any comments) and use the encoder. I don't do phone. I got on cam 3hrs tonight and made $5. I'm changing my rates immediately and getting on again first thing tomorrow morning. As for my gothic look I did this from the beginning and it seems as though it's working for me...I'll report back tomorrow hopefully all I need is rate change! (And then I'll wonder why I didn't regulate them sooner) Thanks again for your help!

    edit: I would totally love to pay you girls to come slap me across the face! I made $90 in 4 hours today. I feel like such an idiot, BUT I don't regret it too much because I did learn something. So now I'm wondering if there are any ladies who raise their rates certain times of year/days of week and lower them for other times... I still don't think I've found my happy medium but at least I'm right back where I was - now all I have to do is make sure I get on every day next week to make up for that waste of time.. STUPID!
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    I have a question about SM placement. Since there is the option of showing 20-100 models per page, what do you consider 1st page placement? Within the top 20? (Did I just answer my own question, LOL?)

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    I have a question about SM placement. Since there is the option of showing 20-100 models per page, what do you consider 1st page placement? Within the top 20? (Did I just answer my own question, LOL?)
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    WTF is wrong with SM today?((( I was №1 on the 1-st page during my TV-show countdown (that is, for 15 minutes), but only got like 15 guys in my room (7 to join the show)! Gets me even more puzzled about how their listing and traffic distribution work. Or, maybe, that's just my luck((((
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