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    So in my time spent on CC I've seen a lot of discussion about what other models are getting up to, who's breaking the rules, who's taking all the traffic, all kinds of shit. And maybe I'm just weird, maybe I don't know this industry well enough yet but there's only one reaction I have for this:

    Who cares?

    There are always going to be other girls doing the same thing as you. There are always going to be other girls who break the rules, no matter how lenient the rules are someone will always go further. There are always going to be new models adding to the competition. These aren't just facts of camming, they're facts of any business. I accept that when it comes to business there are factors that I can't fully control. I can't control what's going on in other chat rooms. I can't control how my site attracts business. At the end of the day, there's only one thing I can control: me.

    Because that's what matters. I'm not here to sell a girl shoving her fingers up her ladyparts. I'm here to sell me shoving my fingers up my ladyparts, and that is a completely different concept. So if some other girl is shaking her tits in free chat, that's not hurting you because it's not your tits that she's shaking. Our customers could be on some tube site jerking off to free porn if they wanted, but instead they're here to spend money on us. And why do they do they that? Because they want a connection. Even if it's based on something physical 5 seconds after they enter your chat, it's still a connection. Think of how much attention men give to certain celebrities - it's a man fact that once a guy sees you as more than a stranger, he wants to see you naked. These men don't just wanna see some girl's ass jiggling about, so it doesn't matter. And the men that do come to camsites for that: the drunken broke ones? Well, guess what? They're broke, they weren't going to spend money on you anyway.

    Here's what I'm trying to say here. Quit worrying about what other people doing. All that matters is you. Making your traffic, your room, your body, your show, making all of it the best that it can be. And all that time you just spent looking around other chat rooms, all that time you spent getting mad about it and posting on SW? That's time you could have spent making money on cam, or marketing yourself more, or researching new fetishes to offer, or...

    I think you get the idea.




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    Exactly, if you survive in the business you have to realize it's not about selling tits and ass. It's about selling YOUR tits and ass. You have to make guys want you. There is a reason why some girls can still get privates on MFC even with 4 hot girls doing public cums shows (nothing wrong with those btw) it's because a guy wants to see that particular girl and her goodies. It's about selling your unique persona.

    It helps not to think of your customers as mindless drones. I have had more than a few customers tell me, that they are enticed by me because it's like I can read their mind. It's because I took the time to think, based on this profile and pic what sort of man will click? I listen to them or read them and I pick up the cues. It's a mind game. If you get into a customer's head, the wallet is yours
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    I think the reason we have all these threads on here is because people want camming to be predictable and stable. I think most women entering camming are used to the idea of a fixed salary.

    But camming is working a sales job entirely on commission, so there isn't that stability so we try to create it.

    I don't think that it "doesn't matter" what other girls do. If girls are giving it away for free, or for 99 c/min, it does affect other cam girls. However, the point is that you can't do anything about it, so wasting energy worrying about other girls doesn't help. We should remember that this is a board for discussion of all aspects of this job, and that can include bitching about things we won't ever be able to change.

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    Well, one of the ways it does matter is if certain sites continue to offer 'hardcore' porn without any sort of 'wall' sooner or later some child of someone with a lot of money will be caught watching it --- and that parent will file a 'won't someone think about the children' lawsuit which will bring both legal and media attention to this issue.
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    I just posted a long-ass reply in the positive thread about Streamate hysteria thread. I think it's worth a read because I really clarify why this issue matters to me.

    Basically, I think it matters to me what other girls do when they are giving it away for free because guys who don't have strong preferences and are happy with any attractive girl getting naked for them will be more likely to watch free shows than convert in to paying customers, which means less money in my pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CourtneyRaine View Post
    I just posted a long-ass reply in the positive thread about Streamate hysteria thread. I think it's worth a read because I really clarify why this issue matters to me.

    Basically, I think it matters to me what other girls do when they are giving it away for free because guys who don't have strong preferences and are happy with any attractive girl getting naked for them will be more likely to watch free shows than convert in to paying customers, which means less money in my pocket.
    I totally agree with you. Although I don't spend a lot of time worrying about other girls it is true that only a very low percentage of guys want a "specific" girl. The others will take whatever u hand them. Why would they give you gold to show your ass when another girl does it for free? Hence why they just come in the room and say "show ass bb"...because some other girl actually did it for them. Anyway I'm just glad that camming isn't the end of the road for me. I feel sorry for girls that give it away for free. My thinking is that if they can't even sell sex they have a very tough road ahead of them when real life kicks in lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shywebcamgirl View Post
    Well, one of the ways it does matter is if certain sites continue to offer 'hardcore' porn without any sort of 'wall' sooner or later some child of someone with a lot of money will be caught watching it --- and that parent will file a 'won't someone think about the children' lawsuit which will bring both legal and media attention to this issue.
    It's obvious that the owners of these sites don't care and won't do anything about it. It puts money in their pocket and that is all they care about. No it's not right. It's an awful way to do business but they don't care. They will continue to allow it. I take it for granted that these sites are living on borrowed time. For this reason I don't rely on any single one of them for my income.

    They all compose a part of it and I have a plans b for if they get shut down tomorrow. I think everyone should have a plan if their main site goes under. With these sites you never know. I'm frankly surprised they haven't been caught yet. When they are caught they are going to take the money and run.
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    Default Re: Why It Doesn't Matter What Other Girls Do

    it doesnt matter what other girls do?
    oh it does.... alot...

    on SM: so how come everyone acts like a sheep and does gold shows for under $1/min or $1/min?
    how come, everyone under the sun sends videos as bonuses?

    on MFC: How come all top models ( with FEW exceptions) rely on FREE public shows to make their $?

    on LJ: how come no one dares to go over $1.99/min ( with few exceptions), becasue thats what the " majority" charges..

    IF you study a site, as a whole, you will see the majority does the same things.

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    they all look to see what "other models" are doing and they do it too.
    So how it does not matter?
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    this is valid for all the sites with free videochat.

    YOu could say, on Imlive, and Camcontacts.. where there is NO free video and models can NOT get inspired from other models that.. sure , it does not matter.
    If you cant see it, it does not matter, but even then models check out other models; profiles and so forth .......

    Show me 1 single model who NEVER went to check/get inspired by others and said " interesting.. Ill do that myself"

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    What you girls go through with these kinds of girls is the same shit us strippers go through with extras girls at the SC. It ain't never going to change and it's only going to get worse. Unfortunately, in the future many camgirls will have to resort to doing "extras" just to make the same amount of money they are making now. The adult industry is going downhill. Fast. And it fucking sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaPeach View Post
    I totally agree with you. Although I don't spend a lot of time worrying about other girls it is true that only a very low percentage of guys want a "specific" girl. The others will take whatever u hand them. Why would they give you gold to show your ass when another girl does it for free? Hence why they just come in the room and say "show ass bb"...because some other girl actually did it for them. Anyway I'm just glad that camming isn't the end of the road for me. I feel sorry for girls that give it away for free. My thinking is that if they can't even sell sex they have a very tough road ahead of them when real life kicks in lol.
    haha gotta love the show ass bb guys. I personally don't tolerate it. I tell them they must ask please and thank you and also that just because they say these things doesn't always give them what they want. I command respect and if a guy doesn't want to give that to me then I kick them/block them so they can go to one of the girls who give it away for free. I've had many more repeat customers since I've adapted this view. They all know that they have to pay to see anything and they all feel it's worthwhile

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    As much as some don't want to admit, some of us are competing, so it matters.

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    my analogy is when a walmart (offers everything for cheap) pops up in an area of mom and pops you're affecting business. I think what girls do DOES matter because of increased expectations and wanting to see more before buying a show. "So you only do x??? Well how bout y and z?" "Well can I see x and y before going into private?" Yeah some girls can handle this well but I think to do this you have to have lots of "presence" and a force to be reckoned with imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idgaf_luvr View Post
    As much as some don't want to admit, some of us are competing, so it matters.
    exactly.. and i;d add... all of us are competing against each other.

    except if you cater to extreme fetishes or your appearance is... very different than the regular, average woman..
    other than that... its war out there..

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    Like a few ppl have already said: Trends are basically why it matters. We are in competition to an extent. Awareness and caring can be the difference between being mindful of how your industry is changing and how that impacts you.

    For example, I havent even been camming all that long - but I remember when NiteFlirt was a camgirl standard, MFC was thhis newish controversial site moving away from a PPM model (so new the owner posted on forums for signups)... now MFC is considered the standard and people react to NiteFlirt with "what's that? ewww phone?"

    Also remember when gold shows was party chat and it was really selective and most of the ppl who did it averaged a minimum 2-digit buyin? Now? Ehhhh

    Remember when everyone praised freechat optional sites? Now? Ehhhh. Most posts over the past 3-5months are only about SM or MFC.

    Remember when not too many people were even on Streamate and the sentiment here was anti-Streamate bc of its affiliate ads, mandatory freechat, recorded shows, tube site partnerships and percentage paid? Now? Ehhhh

    Rememberwhen people who had quirkier hustles openly discussed them because it didnt matter? Now? Ehh. Oddball off-the-beaten-track hustles / sites / ideas are super carefully guarded.

    Remember when there werent "hey guys Im a new camgirl" posts almost every day? Now? Ehhh. Honestly we see more turnover than people who stay anymore.

    Remember when twitter and camgirl drama was just an episodic annoyance? Now? Ehhh. Maybe I follow too many ppl but I swear it is a daily problem.

    Remember when conversations about website builiding and marketing was actually the norm and ppl made a fairly serious effort to brand as a bid to become more independent? Now? Ehhh

    Im not trying to be nostalgic - just pointing out how rapidly things can move in this industry. That and SW has exploded in popularity fairly rapidly - that does change the industry.

    Trends are why it is normal to pay attention. It is a competitive industry. There are tens of thousands of camgirls. We're an extremely small slice of the massive pie that adult industry business ppl are scrambling to profit off of by casting the widest net possible to get even the crappiest signups bc it means theyll get a cut of it--- while the goal is to get camgirls as dependent on camsites as much as possible (studios, exclusivity, new sites with bonus signups) to continue to earn off of us. Being mindful of what a whole swell of your coworkers are up to ... help gauge how ppl are reacting to these pressures.

    People spread-eagled in free or even being topless on pay-per-minute sites was not the 'norm' 2 years ago. Hell at one point MFC wasnt even the norm. It just wasnt. I recall posting a lot of "oh ignore it, who cares" bc I didnt expect it to become the norm so quickly. Again, not bitter nostalgia, just pointing out 'norms' are based on competition, and trends in the sex industy happen fast and hard. Paying attention to trends helps you either adapt, continue slow and steady, or drown.
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    But Ill say though that paying attention is way different than obsessing, being a drama piggy, and blaming everyone else for your issues though - so that notion I certainly agree with. I wanted to add that models who *are* topless, who are being more provocative in free --- I mean I get it, they arent to 'blame' exactly , it is the industry. . Its sites that buy shitty traffic, its sites that are riding this adult dating site scam hustle and leave us to deal with the fallout, its sites that allow thousands of studios that rip girls off so they have to do whatever to earn asap. Blaming a model for doing a $1 buyin for a 45min gold show with a $20 goal or a 500token countdown to a cum show isnt *her* problem, it is the site's issue for creating that kind of climate.

    Itd be awesome if everyone could resist climate changes but we're not an organized workforce with similar earnings goals and bills and savings. Everyone's focus and goal is numero uno at the end of the day - as it should be tbh, if I wanted to work among employees Id be in a diff industry. But asides from hoping ppl invest time on branding or putting some online time on freechat optional sites or something --- working against trends is almost impossible to plan much of a collective contingency against. You can plan your own individual camming business plans which I think is a great idea - but to create a trend-change the hope is business owners get their palms out of their taints and favor longevity over shortterm rewards.

    Im not saying the endtimes are near or anything dramatic but it doesnt mean it isnt irritating.





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    Cammi - I agree with what I think is your main point - that there is no reason to get really het up about one specific camgirl, or start blaming other camgirls because "I can't make money because littlemissx was pounding her pussy in free!!". That kind of attitude is just negative and self defeating.

    However, like many of the girls have said - it DOES matter what people do when LOTS of them do it. It changes the direction of the site. I like MFC, but at the same time, I'm not thrilled about feeloaders in my room seeing my show for free. I love that on SM, you HAVE to pay to see me naked (except for whitelabels, etc, but they don't get to interact with me), I don't want it to go the way of MFC, because there is no variety then.

    And the sites themselves may not be too concerned about legal issues, but what if a site got shut down for giving minors access to obscene materials? If you make the majority of your money from one site, and that site goes bye-bye, you are SCREWED - that is part of why I care about seeing girls break major rules like that.

    But I think that there is a balance between paying attention to legality and the way the site/industry is moving, and getting your panties in a bunch about one specific model (in that twitter sense - OMG so-and-so is doing such-and-such in her free right now!).
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    I agree that it matters because of the way sites are changing but I dont get worked up about it anymore (which I believe was what the OP meant) I dont like the direction alot of sites are going but I tend to shrug it off now because I dont think it will change. These sites play more favoritism and are bigger hypocrites then any bosses I've ever had in a mainstream job.
    So many of us have brought things to their attention and they obviously didnt care so I dont see things changing. It's a shame that happens but if it starts to get too much for me I'll just quit camming and move on to something else. I like baking...maybe I'll do erotic cakes...lol.. no job or money potential is worth being stressed out

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    And the sites themselves may not be too concerned about legal issues, but what if a site got shut down for giving minors access to obscene materials? If you make the majority of your money from one site, and that site goes bye-bye, you are SCREWED - that is part of why I care about seeing girls break major rules like that.
    Yeah, this is the only argument that I really think has any value. And even then, if a site got shut down, another site would take its place. That's just the way economics works, there's always going to be a demand for what you offer so someone is going to make a site to supply it



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cammi View Post
    Yeah, this is the only argument that I really think has any value. And even then, if a site got shut down, another site would take its place. That's just the way economics works, there's always going to be a demand for what you offer so someone is going to make a site to supply it
    To an extent, you are right. But I think that a lot of girls (if not most girls) do not have a few months rent/bills/living expenses stashed away in case their site goes down. Not even I do - I'm paying off debts first. So if my main site (SM) suddenly shut down, I would be screwed for money. I already have working accounts with several other sites that I just don't use, but I have no clientele, no regulars....I don't think that I would be able to earn what I do now on those for a month or two. Not to mention that if the site got shut down for illegal activity, none of us would be paid. SO....if SM was shut down on a Thursday(before payments are processed), you would lose TWO WEEKS of money - that's somewhere from 1-3K just GONE.

    In the long term, it wouldn't be a major deal, just another part of the ever-changing industry. But in the short term, I'll bet a lot of girls would end up totally, utterly screwed. Thats a scary thought...in fact, I am scaring myself right now. I am going to go back to work. NOW...
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    A lot of my regs comment on how they like the fact I don't show all for nothing , how I'm fussy about my custom , and how a lot of their peers can't afford me ....

    I agree cheapo girls bring the price down , but let's be the steaks and not the burgers - and the high payers do notice....... Every cloud !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    To an extent, you are right. But I think that a lot of girls (if not most girls) do not have a few months rent/bills/living expenses stashed away in case their site goes down.
    I know this is a bit of a thread jack, but this line is a really good reason why it's so important to have a back-up site, even if one never uses it...at minimum a site that has approved our account, documents uploaded, etc.
    Also, while paying off debt is a really important goal, please please please always have a stash of $$$ for emergencies...this job has NO benefits, and like you stated, a site could fold tomorrow and everyone working there would be left hanging.
    We gotta pay ourselves too, always

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    i think that in the case of MFC- the fact that it states that any nudity isn't allowed in free chat, it's so that if they did get in trouble they can pin it on the model.. which to me is scarier. but it doesn't surprise me that they would just worry about covering their asses.

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    Nudity is allowed in MFC public chat, but I think they say that it must be "tasteful" or some shit like that (you can't zoom in on spread pussy lips).

    I can't remember what their exact wording on it is, but their list of things that are supposedly "forbidden" makes me laugh.....
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