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    A friend posted this link on my FB feed. I found it disturbing to say the least. It's basically a report of a study done where a random group of men where given a series of quotes, some from a men's mag, and some from convicted rapists. Not only were they mostly unable to distinguish which quote came from which source, they also tended to identify more with the quotes given by convicted rapists (although they were under the impression the quotes were really from a men's mag).
    What are your thoughts?

    http://www2.surrey.ac.uk/mediacentre...e_language.htm


    BTW - my favorite quote from the article:
    "Dr Peter Hegarty, of the University of Surrey’s Psychology Department, added: “There is a fundamental concern that the content of such magazines normalises the treatment of women as sexual objects. We are not killjoys or prudes who think that there should be no sexual information and media for young people. But are teenage boys and young men best prepared for fulfilling love and sex when they normalise views about women that are disturbingly close to those mirrored in the language of sexual offenders?”"
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    ^^^interesting article, though it's a shame the article didn't post the series of quotes from offenders and men's magazines that were used in the study.

    I wonder if the quotes taken from rapists were actually more palatable to study participants because rapists tend to minimize their behavior/ crimes through the use of normative language, whereas a lot of magazines (FHM being an example used in the study) use a deliberately 'cheeky' style of writing that can appear hostile out of context.
    Don't get me wrong, a man growing up using magazines as a main source of socialization could develop a warped sense of himself vis a vis women, but most individuals experience a more well-rounded sphere of influence during the formative years than one could achieve being exposed to one single form of media.
    As well, Object, the group quoted in this article, link 'Lad's magazines' to rape and violence as well as eating disorders, low career aspirations and the desire for plastic surgery amongst women. Looking at Object's website, they tend to throw together a lot of varied social issues without statistically quantifying any causational link among them. This group is unabashedly anti-porn in areas ranging from mainstream media to strip clubs and prostitution, so I'd expect them to over-emphasize the effect of sexualized magazines, whereas the university study behind the article doesn't provide enough information to sway me in one way or the other.
    An interesting article, thanks for posting the link!

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    I was interested to read the quotes also. I wonder if the were included in the report, and if so why the article chose to leave them out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    ^^^interesting article, though it's a shame the article didn't post the series of quotes from offenders and men's magazines that were used in the study.

    I wonder if the quotes taken from rapists were actually more palatable to study participants because rapists tend to minimize their behavior/ crimes through the use of normative language, whereas a lot of magazines (FHM being an example used in the study) use a deliberately 'cheeky' style of writing that can appear hostile out of context.
    Don't get me wrong, a man growing up using magazines as a main source of socialization could develop a warped sense of himself vis a vis women, but most individuals experience a more well-rounded sphere of influence during the formative years than one could achieve being exposed to one single form of media.
    As well, Object, the group quoted in this article, link 'Lad's magazines' to rape and violence as well as eating disorders, low career aspirations and the desire for plastic surgery amongst women. Looking at Object's website, they tend to throw together a lot of varied social issues without statistically quantifying any causational link among them. This group is unabashedly anti-porn in areas ranging from mainstream media to strip clubs and prostitution, so I'd expect them to over-emphasize the effect of sexualized magazines, whereas the university study behind the article doesn't provide enough information to sway me in one way or the other.
    An interesting article, thanks for posting the link!
    Very good post & we could also throw the flip side to this & the womens mags that Objectify women themselves by promoting diets, plastic surgery & external success. Granted the language doesn't translate the same but the feeling of a Object is very aparent.

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    Default Re: Men's Mags and Convicted Rapists using the same language

    Isn't this partially a regional phenom? The whole "Hard Man" culture of the Northern UK.

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    @unbeleavable, to be honest, if I had kids I'd prefer them to read FHM rather than comparable 'women's/girl's' magazines
    Both sets of magazines are driven by corporate agendas that make mad $$$$ off manufactured human insecurities, but at least FHM has some witty writing, whereas female magazines I've come across like Seventeen, YM and Cosmo contain formulaic writing of abysmal quality
    (sigh, R.I.P. Sassy, the dope ass girl's magazine of my youth)

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    @unbeleavable, to be honest, if I had kids I'd prefer them to read FHM rather than comparable 'women's/girl's' magazines
    Both sets of magazines are driven by corporate agendas that make mad $$$$ off manufactured human insecurities, but at least FHM has some witty writing, whereas female magazines I've come across like Seventeen, YM and Cosmo contain formulaic writing of abysmal quality
    (sigh, R.I.P. Sassy, the dope ass girl's magazine of my youth)
    I loved Sassy! I don't know of a mainstream magazine for teenage girls that exists today that compares - there's definitely a need in the market for a similar kind of "anti-17" teen mag!
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    I find their theory impossible to judge for a few reasons but the biggest is that predators like to downplay their animosity. A rapist will say she "wanted to be with me" not "that filthy bitch had it coming". They're gonna work hard to get around admitting any aggression. They're just a misunderstood Casanova.
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    This shows the sampling of quotes used in the study:

    http://jezebel.com/5866602/can-you-t...e-and-a-rapist


    It also gave you the chance to see if you could tell which were from the magazines and which were from rapists.



    (I got four of them wrong. I'm not sure whether or not I should be concerned about that.)

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    I think all of them could have come out of a reader or a rapists' mouth. I picked up the sense of entitlement the rapists had but all-in-all I was confident either group could and would spout those statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    @unbeleavable, to be honest, if I had kids I'd prefer them to read FHM rather than comparable 'women's/girl's' magazines
    Both sets of magazines are driven by corporate agendas that make mad $$$$ off manufactured human insecurities, but at least FHM has some witty writing, whereas female magazines I've come across like Seventeen, YM and Cosmo contain formulaic writing of abysmal quality
    (sigh, R.I.P. Sassy, the dope ass girl's magazine of my youth)
    I used to have subscriptions to both Cosmo and Glamour (and years ago to Seventeen and YM)and as I got older I have become horrified by the articles. Basically most women's magazines are telling women to act like sluts to get guys and sleep with him on the first date and worse. Not to mention they tell women how fat they are and all of that though sometimes they would run articles about how having curves was fine.

    I think both mens and womens magazines objectify women and it disturbs me. I know that sounds hypocritical from someone who was a stripper and yes enjoys porn but to me that is different because strippers and porn actress usually chose to be in the field whereas women today are being told act slutty. It's not just magazines either, commercials do this and movies, music and tv.

    I've said this before but it's very hard being a girl in this society because from a young age they are told having a boyfriend is more important than getting grades. I've seen so many inappropriate clothes for little girls like bra and panty sets for pre teens. Then we wonder why so many teen girls get pregnant.

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    Did you notice that "Playboy" is directed by Women. Conversely "Cosmopolitan" is directed by Men. How about that?

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    OMG. I totally called this on my twitter back in september after randomly reading thru a maxim mag. The articles I read in it completely explains the douchbaggery that exist in most men under 45 today. These magazines condone and normalize this behavior. These thoughts are so skewed just like the skewed rapists that generate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Did you notice that "Playboy" is directed by Women. Conversely "Cosmopolitan" is directed by Men. How about that?
    I was going to say I find Cosmo more sexist than Playboy and didn't know that about Cosmo (did about Playboy). In fact I knew many Playboy employees (their headquarters was Chicago)and they have a good rate of hiring and promoting women.

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    there was a study done with college aged males. the majority said they would rape a woman if they had the opportunity and knew they could get away with it. so i'm not shocked. i am shocked when men are gentlemen, not when they aren't. i expect nothing but misogynistic douchebaggery. when i don't get it, i'm impressed. unfortunately, this happens rarely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I used to have subscriptions to both Cosmo and Glamour (and years ago to Seventeen and YM)and as I got older I have become horrified by the articles. Basically most women's magazines are telling women to act like sluts to get guys and sleep with him on the first date and worse. Not to mention they tell women how fat they are and all of that though sometimes they would run articles about how having curves was fine.

    I think both mens and womens magazines objectify women and it disturbs me. I know that sounds hypocritical from someone who was a stripper and yes enjoys porn but to me that is different because strippers and porn actress usually chose to be in the field whereas women today are being told act slutty. It's not just magazines either, commercials do this and movies, music and tv.

    I've said this before but it's very hard being a girl in this society because from a young age they are told having a boyfriend is more important than getting grades. I've seen so many inappropriate clothes for little girls like bra and panty sets for pre teens. Then we wonder why so many teen girls get pregnant.
    At least strippers and porn actresses are getting paid to be objectified, but the women who read those magazines are actually paying to read about how they aren't good enough unless they please their man *this way.*

    That is, if you even have a man, fat skank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    there was a study done with college aged males. the majority said they would rape a woman if they had the opportunity and knew they could get away with it. so i'm not shocked. i am shocked when men are gentlemen, not when they aren't. i expect nothing but misogynistic douchebaggery. when i don't get it, i'm impressed. unfortunately, this happens rarely.
    I would like to read this study because I have a problem with anyone saying males would RAPE if could get away with it, even if it was college aged males. Please produce!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydancer48163264128256 View Post
    At least strippers and porn actresses are getting paid to be objectified, but the women who read those magazines are actually paying to read about how they aren't good enough unless they please their man *this way.*

    That is, if you even have a man, fat skank.
    I was in a great discussion today with a female about this subject & why I'm glad I don't have a daughter. My thoughts on society & the focus of role or place of a woman is crazy, from the general media to the adult industry & porn.

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    After looking at the answers I can see a difference inthe quotes. All the rapists suggest the women lead them on/deserved it/wanted it becaue of what they're wearing. The magazines are just male thoughts on women with regards to an article topic.

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    ^^ I agree, I was mostly able to accurately distinguish between the sources. That makes me wonder why the participants in the study would have such trouble.
    Although, the part of the article that claims that more men identified with the rapist quotes that with the men's mag quotes seems a bit more disturbing now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natalllia View Post
    ^^ I agree, I was mostly able to accurately distinguish between the sources. That makes me wonder why the participants in the study would have such trouble.
    Although, the part of the article that claims that more men identified with the rapist quotes that with the men's mag quotes seems a bit more disturbing now.
    The job of men's mags is to give the perception of (beautiful women) are wanting you...fat slob. If they didn't the advertiser wouldn't pay for space to advertise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbeleavable View Post
    I was in a great discussion today with a female about this subject & why I'm glad I don't have a daughter. My thoughts on society & the focus of role or place of a woman is crazy, from the general media to the adult industry & porn.
    I think women are conflicted and that is the problem. As women we are stuck in this weird place where we are more valued for our looks than our brains, where the highest salaries are in looks based industries and so much more. I read an article one time where more actresses have won Oscars playing hookers than anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbeleavable View Post
    The job of men's mags is to give the perception of (beautiful women) are wanting you...fat slob. If they didn't the advertiser wouldn't pay for space to advertise.
    Not to go offtopic but I think this is why so many men think hot women would want to date them. The amount of ugly obese men who hit on me online or in person always astounds then when I reject them they think I am teasing them. Nope, not interested in these guys but the mens magazines tell guys that any woman will date them.

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    Porn also gives them the illusion that hot, horny women are just waiting to have sex with them. They don't (or don't want to) realize that porn is just a fantasy and that they need to be more realistic with the women they pursue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    there was a study done with college aged males. the majority said they would rape a woman if they had the opportunity and knew they could get away with it. so i'm not shocked. i am shocked when men are gentlemen, not when they aren't. i expect nothing but misogynistic douchebaggery. when i don't get it, i'm impressed. unfortunately, this happens rarely.

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