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    I was chatting with one of my ATF's last night about how her Saturday night at the club went. She told me, with a fair amount of satisfaction, that one of her newer regulars had spent $700 on her and gotten a hand job from another dancer before heading home. Now, my ATF doesn't do extras and that's pretty well known around the club. Still she is always pleasantly surprised when guys who want that sort of thing don't even bother to ask her. They just find a dirty girl to finish them off after they drop a load of cash on her.

    The funny thing is I heard the same story around the holidays from another fav. She has regs who spend time and money on her but go to one of the club's dirty girls for release. I rather like the fact that two girls in their mid to late 30's can rack-up serious earnings while basically dancing the way they have always danced-with no extras offered. This tells me that there are still plenty of guys out there who, like myself, simply enjoy being well entertained for a few hours by a pretty, intelligent woman.

    This however does beg the questions....

    Do any of you ladies have similar situations? Do any of you make good money from a guy who then goes to a dirty girl for the grand finale? I know in a lot of areas there is no contact at all but in many cities the clubs have become a mix of clean girls working beside dirty girls. Do you ladies refer guys to the dirty girls when they are looking for extras or do you just tell them to get lost? Do you think that having a few dirty girls in the club is actually good for business or is it killing the club? I know that, over the years, both of the ladies I mentioned above have contemplated changing clubs when the balance between clean girls and extras girls tipped too far in favor of the sluts.
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    My club is not much of a regulars club - we make most of our money in a 'wanna dance' kind of way, and then by upselling to the VIP rooms.
    All single dances are clean, but VIP is somewhat of a free for all. With dirty girls happy to put nipples in mouths and kiss customers - maybe more; I feel like I have to shield my customers from other girls at all times to avoid losing out. If I get called to the stage and see a dirty girl approach my customer (which is the norm and accepted in my club) I know that if he is the type of man who is looking for anything other than a clean dance, I have lost him.

    I can see how extras girls may have their place in some clubs. While I don't LIKE this, I can understand this. However, from my point of view in the North of England there is a 'I must get the MOST for my money' attitude that is inbuilt and somewhat of a culture. Finishers wouldn't work here. Customers here want the most they can, for the least amount of money.

    As a clean dancer, I make my money almost exclusively from out of towners, who tend to be more respectful and expect a lot less.

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    My club is is also similar to the "wanna dance" style. Ratio of 3:1 girl to guy, but considered one of the upscale and cleanest club in my area. We have open dance rooms, booths to Champage rooms, but they arent popular as in the USA. We dont dances fully nude for 20$, guys expect the girls in this club to get nude quickly, and want a strong grind. Even though its considered a clean club, I've seen plently of girls kissing clients on thier necks, cheek and sometimes on their faces, there are girls that slide/rub their hands against the guys clothed dicks and hide it well in an open dance room. Where the booths are, more may happen, but its darker and are curtained off that I cannot say. At this club, its harder for guys to get extras, its mainly 1 type dances here and there since we have so many girls, guys want to try dances with as many as possible ratio being 3:1 so there really isnt no finisher.

    At a divier club I used to work, there were only 10% of good looking girls. I noticed that when guys wanted extras from me I wouldnt offer them, but they would get dances with me and still ask, when they knew I wasnt going to, they get an extras girl for 100 bucks. I noticed a lot of girls got a better looking girl than a rougher looking one to finish them off.

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    A lot of guys would probably continue to spend money if not for the "Finishers". And the guys would still enjoy the strip clubs, continue to come in and spend money. They would also probably respect the girls more, maybe tip better... Treat us more professionally. Calling the extras girls dirty sluts like in the OP doesn't seem quite right to me, I mean do guys call prostitutes or escorts dirty sluts? The problem isn't the girls, it's the management. And management would tell you it isn't their fault, it's the economy or the abundance of internet porn, maybe a combination of the two.

    As a dancer it is hard not to be upset at the extra's girls but I don't refer to them as dirty sluts. Management only seems interested in bringing as many girls into the club as possible, more house fees, more drink sales.. Then the no cover, wtf? I actually had a homeless person come to my stage once and the club lighting made the drool on his face and shirt glow. But no one has any bad names for management, no one blames management. Instead we turn against ourselves and accuse one another, make ourselves upset, stressed...

    Of course there are going to be extras when management allows it.

    My experience was that guys don't want extras, they want full-on sex OTC. I made a lot of money by being ambiguous instead of saying no but I never met any of them OTC. Some of them would try to hang around in the parking lot after work and the bouncers would have to tell them to get lost. One in particular came back to the club and wouldn't even talk to me after that. Most of the guys would forget by the next time they came into the club. At our club the "dirty" girls were the ones who met the guys OTC after work. Why risk being fired or going to jail for an extra that pays basically nothing when you can engage in full-on prostitution after work? It was never real obvious to me that the extra's girls were making it harder for the rest of us, in retrospect the "extras" girls were hungrier and blended with the very pushy girls, sometimes grabbing custies and dragging them into the private dance area, essentially some of them would do anything to make a buck.

    I suppose some of the men were more careful about their spending, saving the big bucks for OTC. I used to have an older customer who would come in, give me a hundred dollar bill and do a dance and a half with me which would normally be $40 USD. But after a couple of times he told me he would no longer do that with me unless I met him at his apartment OTC. Then I noticed he started getting all his dances from one of the hustlers who would do anything for a buck.

    Clubs that allow extras need to start having their management earn their pay. Referring to extras girls as dirty sluts doesn't help any, it just creates animosity and unrest, turns dancers against dancers. Let's talk about irresponsible, slacker management instead.

    And what about the management that turns a blind eye because they get tipped extra by the extras girls? Do we have a name for them? Why do we always blame the women and focus on them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetravelergirl View Post
    Calling the extras girls dirty sluts like in the OP doesn't seem quite right to me, I mean do guys call prostitutes or escorts dirty sluts?
    Actually I never used the word "dirty". As for the word slut, well, it's a pejorative term that is used far more often, in the clubs, by dancers than it is by customers.
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    Clubs that allow extras need to start having their management earn their pay. Referring to extras girls as dirty sluts doesn't help any, it just creates animosity and unrest, turns dancers against dancers. Let's talk about irresponsible, slacker management instead.

    And what about the management that turns a blind eye because they get tipped extra by the extras girls? Do we have a name for them? Why do we always blame the women and focus on them?
    You are getting far too hung up on my word choice here LTG. I'm not name calling, I simply used a term that is often used by dancers themselves for describing extras girls. The post (and the the thread) is not about what I or others choose to call an extras dancer. What we call them or don't call them isn't going to make them go away...

    Now, it's very easy to blame the club owners or managers for allowing extras girls to work-and it is also accurate to do so. For that matter, it's also accurate to place blame on the customers who pay extras girls to perform extras. None of that however changes the fact that it is, in actual fact, the extras dancer that is actually performing the extras. She is not being forced to do it either by the club or by the customer. She is ultimately the one choosing to make her living that way. The fact that many clubs do turn a blind to extras dancers, even in places where management knows the girls are performing illegal acts, supports the theory that club management feels some benefit to letting these girls ply their trade.

    For myself it's been years since I openly sought-out extras in a strip club. I do pay escorts but I don't go shopping for OTC in strip clubs. It seems worth mentioning however that the dancer that I mentioned in my first post told me that her customer got his "finishing" hand job without even asking for it. He simply paid for a 15 minute booth dance and the dirty dancer did what seems to work best for her...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetravelergirl View Post
    do guys call prostitutes or escorts dirty sluts?
    Some non-dancers proudly call themselves 'sluts', but would be insulted at the suggestion they could escort... So not necessarily a derogatory word anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFMNH44 View Post
    Some non-dancers proudly call themselves 'sluts', but would be insulted at the suggestion they could escort... So not necessarily a derogatory word anymore.
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    Actually I never used the word "dirty". As for the word slut, well, it's a pejorative term that is used far more often, in the clubs, by dancers than it is by customers.

    Not to quibble but you used the word "dirty" 6 times.

    As a woman working as a stripper it's about survival, making a dollar in a man's world. If girls are selling extras then in order to be competitive other girls will begin selling extras. Yes, the woman has the power to earn less money and maybe not survive. But the club owner and management has the real power. Management can level the playing field and create an environment where women can make a dollar without having to sell their dignity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifetravelergirl View Post
    Not to quibble but you used the word "dirty" 6 times.
    Well, since we aren't quibbling...

    The post was about dirty dancers so yes, I used the word dirty and used it more than once. What I didn't do is use the term "dirty sluts" which you implied that I did.


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    As a woman working as a stripper it's about survival, making a dollar in a man's world. If girls are selling extras then in order to be competitive other girls will begin selling extras. Yes, the woman has the power to earn less money and maybe not survive. But the club owner and management has the real power. Management can level the playing field and create an environment where women can make a dollar without having to sell their dignity.
    The solution is not that simple. "Extras" started out as simply grabbing a guy's crotch or letting him touch your boobs or kitty and progressed to what we are dealing with now. Somewhere along the way some, not all, club owners realized an increase in business from allowing these activities and some, not all, dancers realized an increase in income. We can argue about what came first all day long but club owners can't clean-up girls that don't want to be cleaned up. The reason for my original post on this topic was based on the fact that I see clean girls working alongside dirty ones in every club I go to.
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    The post was about dirty dancers so yes, I used the word dirty and used it more than once. What I didn't do is use the term "dirty sluts" which you implied that I did.
    I think that life's main objection was with the use of the term "dirty" in describing certain dancers. This is an incredibly complicated topic, especially nowadays, and the use of lables like "dirty" may make certain dancers feel implicitely unwelcome here and it shuts off any chance for a rational dialogue about what is going on out there.

    In my travels, I have dealt with a large number of dancers who would probably qualify for that label as it was used here, but there was really nothing dirty about most of them, at least not in the way that I think of the term. For the most part, they were nice girls in tough situations, working in areas where the money was bad and so-called extras were either common or quickly becoming so. Most of these girls had children, which made them less able to just suck up a bad week and also less able to simply pull up stakes and move to more dancer-friendly areas. I don't think that most of these girls, when they started dancing, really imagined that they would be doing these things to make ends meet.

    Idk, but I always thought of SW as a welcoming and supportive place for all dancers, including those who feel that they must do certain things in order to provide for themselves and their families.

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    Really rick? Sorry but you are going just as far over the top as LTG did about the use of a couple of words that dancers themselves use all the time. To be honest, my OP was based on conversations I have with dancers and that's where the word choice came from. I've heard much stronger language from dancers than what I used.
    I don't question any dancer's right to make a living nor do I question how they do it. Be that as it may, no girl exists in a vacuum when she is at work-or outside of work-with a customer. The choices she makes will quite often influence the choices that others have to make. All actions, including offering extras or taking a guy OTC, have consequences beyond the dancer and her customer. I know it's complicated rick. I have a very close friend who hasn't worked in a month because she can't find a club to work in where she can make decent money without some idiot trying to insert his finger in her ass every time she turns around. Yes, it's complicated but I refuse to get hung up in the minutia of word choice. It's just not that big of a deal to me.

    I know there is a popular misconception among some dancers and customers that calling it something else will make it something else but I don't really subscribe to that theory. We are all grownups here right? Hey, I like a few clean girls, I like a few dirty girls (yeah, I said it again). What I like most of all are women who don't try to fool themselves into thinking that they aren't doing exactly what they are doing...

    As far as SW being a welcoming site to all dancers, well it is rick. Of course, no dancer in her right mind is going to admit to performing extras in any of the pink only forums here for fear of being flamed right off the site. Head on over to the dancer-only threads and see if you can find any topics regarding where to hide the used condoms in the VIP room or which lube works the best. After you get tired of looking for those threads see if you can find the one about how dancers who do OTC after their shift screen their customers. What? There aren't any?

    Dancer support site? Yes of course. But don't insist on trying to read it wearing rose colored glasses.
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    ^If you wanted to call it what it is, you could have said "dancers who provide xxx for money" or something similar. Instead, you used a negative adjective to label those dancers. The adjective that was used implied that these dancers are somehow unclean, dishonorable, etc. (pick one - but none of definitions of "dirty" sound very good). IMHO and IME many of these girls are none of those things.

    I am well aware of the consequences of the choices made by dancers, but I cannot bring myself to blame a girl who does what she feels that she must to take care of herself and her children, nor can I blame her for the environment that has brought things to this point. And though I feel legitimately bad about what your friend has experienced and her decision not to work, many dancers simply don't have the option of sitting it out for a month and are forced, by necessity, to contend with these conditions.

    And in terms of what will invite flaming, I have already seen this easing up a lot in the 2 years that I have been on this site and, IMHO, this is a good thing. Girls have been more open with what they have discussed more recently and, while nobody is blatantly discussing the provision of so-called 'extras", more basic stuff that would have invited ridiculous comments a couple of years ago seem to be aired with much less drama now. For the sake of the primary beneficiaries of this site, I hope that trend continues. There is no reason, IMHO, that girls working in places like Miami & Tampa (and indeed much of FL), Providence, Houston & Austin (and other parts of TX), Detroit, San Francisco, and a number of other more isolated, yet difficult, places, should not be able to have open and honest discussions on here about the challenges they face in making a living in those environments.
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    Rick, have you been in a strip club lately? Dancers who offer extras are called, and often call themselves, among other things, dirty dancers. Come on rick, We both know you are not that naive. Ask a dancer. You either dance dirty or you dance clean. It has nothing to do with bathing habits. I'm using a very widely accepted term to describe dancers who perform certain acts that take place inside the club. If you feel the need to defend their actions that's fine but you are trying to put words in my mouth and an intent that simply wasn't there in my original post.

    By the way, I'm not asking you to blame anyone for the situation that exists and I'm not blaming anyone either. There are plenty of contributors to the current state of strip clubs and everyone involved is pretty much doing what they feel they have to do to survive. That includes management and dancers. The thread is about what's going on in the clubs, not the words I used or the words any other poster may use to talk about it.

    Also, just for the record, my friend is not sitting out anything, she is cleaning houses for a living until she decides where to try dancing next. Everyone has bills to pay. I honestly don't know too many dancers who could take a month or more off in the current economy where there really is no "busy" season anymore...
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    Rick, have you been in a strip club lately? Dancers who offer extras are called, and often call themselves, among other things, dirty dancers. Come on rick, We both know you are not that naive. Ask a dancer. You either dance dirty or you dance clean. It has nothing to do with bathing habits. I'm using a very widely accepted term to describe dancers who perform certain acts that take place inside the club. If you feel the need to defend their actions that's fine but you are trying to put words in my mouth and an intent that simply wasn't there in my original post.

    By the way, I'm not asking you to blame anyone for the situation that exists and I'm not blaming anyone either. There are plenty of contributors to the current state of strip clubs and everyone involved is pretty much doing what they feel they have to do to survive. That includes management and dancers. The thread is about what's going on in the clubs, not the words I used or the words any other poster may use to talk about it.

    Also, just for the record, my friend is not sitting out anything, she is cleaning houses for a living until she decides where to try dancing next. Everyone has bills to pay. I honestly don't know too many dancers who could take a month or more off in the current economy where there really is no "busy" season anymore...
    I have a question about "extras". Is it the customer's job to make sure he only buys dances/VIPs from "clean" dancers? I hear a lot about the "good ole days" of stripping where there was no touching and mostly stage/costume dancing (hard for me to believe btw). The logic I am using here is the idea that if the "dirty" dancers never get any dances/VIP, then the law of evolution will weed them out, or at least weed out "extras".
    Of course, just like any other business, no customer in their right mind would willingly and knowingly purchase an inferior service/product for the same amount of money as a higher quality service/product (the distinction here being "extras are the high quality" and "clean is the low quality"). I use that distinction because the customer is literally getting more for his money than a "clean" dance. Now, I know that makes customers look like assholes, for the sole reason that the business here is the dancer themselves, not a dancer selling a car. A used car salesman is not selling himself or his driving skills, he's selling an object. The point being, there is an emotional element at work here because the "object" is a person. Since people don't like being treated like objects (at least most don't...) then situations where a customer seems like a cheapskate will arise far more often than in a used car lot. Since most men want to touch and get their lap ground on, then from a dancer perspective it seems that most customers are cheapskates right off the bat.
    So my question for the dancers is: do you honestly expect us to want "clean" dances after what has already been offered to us as "extras" for the same amount of money? Complete honesty would be appreciated. Thanks.

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    ^ Have you ever been to a club anywhere else in the country aside from Austin? I don't mean this in a condescending way at all but you should understand that what happens in Austin doesn't happen in Orlando and what happens in Orlando isn't what happens in Tampa and so on and so on. There are plenty of regions where no touching is allowed at all or at the most, minimal one-way-contact. In some states you can't sell liquor in a nude club and in others you can. Things are different all over the country.
    I can understand why a guy who has experienced clubs with heavy extras may think anything less than that is a rip-off but it's really not if you are in a different area.

    This is a world-wide board and many of the dancers who post here have worked all over the country if not all over the world. Things are different everywhere. I will leave it to the ladies to answer your question for you but, FWIW, I spend money on extras girls but I spend much more often and much larger amounts on non-extras girls and I know darn well that I'm not the only guy in the world who does this.
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    "Complete honesty would be appreciated." Really? After asking a loaded question you built on a false premise with mis-defined terms all the way, you want the dancers to be "completely honest?"

    Be careful what you ask for...

    Anyway, to put this in better perspective for you:

    Many customers not only prefer "clean" dances, they pay a premium for them, and avoid like the plague all the clubs where "extras" are offered.

    So this basically subverts your entire premise.

    Also: Over the years, the most money I've spent was at a club where there is no lap-dancing at all. In fact, no contact at all. It's all stage show and tip walk. That's it.

    I think you might be surprised to see how the high-dollar money spend actually works in many clubs. If you think it through a bit, you will see why customers might prefer clean, open and straightforward to all the purported benefits of extras.

    P.S. Obviously, I'm not suggesting that the clubs overall haven't become "dirtier" -- they have -- but it's a response to a lop-sided demand curve that has pulled into the clubs a lot of new customers in search of other things. I'm trying to highlight for you how fragmented the industry actually is, and what can be said about certain clubs is inapplicable to others.

    It's good to keep this in mind when asking a question on a site with dancers from across the industry.

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    ^ Have you ever been to a club anywhere else in the country aside from Austin? I don't mean this in a condescending way at all but you should understand that what happens in Austin doesn't happen in Orlando and what happens in Orlando isn't what happens in Tampa and so on and so on. There are plenty of regions where no touching is allowed at all or at the most, minimal one-way-contact. In some states you can't sell liquor in a nude club and in others you can. Things are different all over the country.
    I can understand why a guy who has experienced clubs with heavy extras may think anything less than that is a rip-off but it's really not if you are in a different area.

    This is a world-wide board and many of the dancers who post here have worked all over the country if not all over the world. Things are different everywhere. I will leave it to the ladies to answer your question for you but, FWIW, I spend money on extras girls but I spend much more often and much larger amounts on non-extras girls and I know darn well that I'm not the only guy in the world who does this.
    Well, the point I'm getting at is: don't hate a customer because he is used to getting extras for the same amount of money as non-extras. That's really what my question was all about. I'm just trying to reason it through first.

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    That's a two-way street SR. Is it fair for me to say to you "don't feel ripped off because the first girl gave you a hand job and the next one didn't?

    Maybe hate is too strong a word but you can't expect a clean dancer to be thrilled with you for expecting extras simply because the dancer you met in the same club the week before may have been OK with it...
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    Fair enough. Also, I want to clarify something very quickly. What I consider "extra" is anything that does not involve direct contact with genitals or open-mouth. So your hand job analogy is a moot point with me, as I wouldn't condone (or accept) that behavior even if it was offered to me.

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    Fair enough. Also, I want to clarify something very quickly. What I consider "extra" is anything that does not involve direct contact with genitals or open-mouth.
    Good point and it only serves to reinforce what I said earlier. Laws, rules, customs and expectations are different in clubs all over the world. I was in a club in RI last weekend where anything short of touching the genitals is not even considered an extra anymore...
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    Rick, have you been in a strip club lately?
    One or two perhaps.

    Or maybe 15 or more clubs this year, and perhaps 40 or so clubs last year spread out in different parts of the country, with visits involving interactions with a lot of dancers with wildly varying boundaries and offerings, all of which serve as a baseline for what I am going to say next...

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    Dancers who offer extras are called, and often call themselves, among other things, dirty dancers. Come on rick, We both know you are not that naive. Ask a dancer. You either dance dirty or you dance clean. It has nothing to do with bathing habits. I'm using a very widely accepted term to describe dancers who perform certain acts that take place inside the club. If you feel the need to defend their actions that's fine but you are trying to put words in my mouth and an intent that simply wasn't there in my original post.
    Where I club, this is a derogatory term used by a certain sub-set of dancers who disapprove of what some other dancers are doing. I have never really heard a dancer who offers certain services ITC or OTC ever label herself as "dirty" and I deal with a great many of these girls over any given year.

    Yoda, you clearly have a strong empathy with certain types of dancers, which IMHO has historically led you to be a staunch advocate for their particular belief systems. That is certainly your prerogative, but this site is theoretically a larger tent that supports a broad population of dancers, along with cam girls, escorts and other sex industry workers. IMHO, the use of labels like “dirty”, terming some dancers’ post-VIP practices as “the walk of shame”, or other comments of a similar ilk serve to make this place less welcoming for a large swath of dancers.

    As I stated previously, this site has been opening up a lot lately and, IMHO, that is a very good thing. In fact, with the dramatic changes in dynamics that have occurred in many clubs just in the last 5 years alone, IMHO, if this site is going to continue to be a useful resource for dancers, then the current trend towards more open dialogue relating to topics that were previously considered taboo will need to continue.
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    The fact is rick we all have our own set of experiences from our club visits and the women we have gotten to know. Clearly you and I are attracted to a different type of dancer. I'm done trying to convince you that word choice doesn't=some sort of yoda imposed scarlet letter on dancers who offer extras in clubs and, putting my moderator hat on here, you are now done trying to accuse me of it. We've both had our say.

    You are entitled to your opinion rick. My posting habits haven't changed much in the ten years that I've been here and it seems to be working pretty well for me...
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    ...I hear a lot about the "good ole days" of stripping where there was no touching and mostly stage/costume dancing (hard for me to believe btw)...

    ...Of course, just like any other business, no customer in their right mind would willingly and knowingly purchase an inferior service/product for the same amount of money as a higher quality service/product (the distinction here being "extras are the high quality" and "clean is the low quality"). I use that distinction because the customer is literally getting more for his money than a "clean" dance...
    SR, first, as Yoda mentioned, I think that your experiences are regional in nature. There are many areas where clubs simply do not operate the way they do in places like Austin and contact, "extras", etc., continue to be much more limited.

    Additionally though, I suspect that you are also coming to this with limited history. When I started clubbing back in the mid 90s, lapdances had not yet taken hold as a large % of dancers' income. I essentially came into this thing at the tail end of an era where girls still made good money from elaborate stage performances and where guys tipped heavily just to enjoy the company of very skilled seductresses. And when I use the term "skilled seductresses" I am talking about girls who could read you like a book and knew exactly what to do or say to make you feel great. For that brief slice of time that you were with her, all of the cares of the world simply washed away. More than one of these girls earned whatever a young Mr. Dugan could manage to afford, even without contact dances or any of the others things so readily available today.

    There are a lot of things that I do NOT miss about the 90s and even the first few years of this century, but one thing that I do miss are girls with these types of skills. Now they can still be found out there, but not easily. About 60% of my spending goes to girls that engage in dicier activities with me, but the other 40% goes to those girls who are simply entertaining and/or charming, especially when I am visiting areas where dicier activities are not the norm.

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