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    Arrow Canadian transgender beauty queen kicked out of Miss Universe

    A beauty pageant has booted a contestant out the competition after discovering the buxom blonde was born a boy.
    The Miss Universe Canada organizers threw out Jenna Talackova when they found out she had undergone surgery to become a woman.

    The transgendered contestant had already successfully reached the finals in the Miss Vancouver pageant before she was banned from continuing in the competition.

    Although the pageant organizers described Talackova as a ‘real girl’ they disqualified her arguing that the rules state that each contestant must be a ‘naturally born female.’


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    They should have been firm on their rules from the beginning if she wasn't allowed to compete. They shouldn't just make their minds up as they go, prolonging the situation for Talackova if she actually HAD no chance! Arghhh.. She is so stunning and sweet too!

    The presenter struck me as a douche... HE should have been outed imo. ^_^




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    The contestant should have told them from the very beginning that he was a natural born male. I don't feel sorry for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammii View Post
    The contestant should have told them from the very beginning that he was a natural born male. I don't feel sorry for him.
    Why would she have to do that?
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    Some of the other "girls" look male born...

    The rules should have been cleaer and rechecked before the contest started.

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    I also agree the rules should have been made clear from the very beginning.

    There have been progressions in our society and diversity is among us in a way that it wasnt 50 years ago..
    No one can assume that anyone that looks hot in a bikini is a natural born female...

    Im sure that all the time there are ladies who try to get into the pagents, but the didnt qualify and were told so.
    No reason to berate or even blame them...they just dont get to compete and life goes on.
    No one took the time to disqualify her before she went on this path, she made it this far and *now* they decide to apply the rules to her.

    That I think is very unfair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammii View Post
    The contestant should have told them from the very beginning that he was a natural born male. I don't feel sorry for him.
    I agree. If the rules state the contestant must be a natural born female and the contestants didn't disclose that then he's to blame. It's not the responsibility of the contest to investigate each and every contestant. Once again this is an issue of political correctness gone astray. The fact is if the rules clearly state must be a natural female then a transgender is not a born female even if she thinks she is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I agree. If the rules state the contestant must be a natural born female and the contestants didn't disclose that then he's to blame. It's not the responsibility of the contest to investigate each and every contestant. Once again this is an issue of political correctness gone astray. The fact is if the rules clearly state must be a natural female then a transgender is not a born female even if she thinks she is.
    Actually it is....why have rules then, if the contest can just say "not my responsibility" when it comes to making sure participants qualify under them?

    If the rules matter so little to a contest that they dont feel responsible to make sure they are upheld..then the rules are useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    Actually it is....why have rules then, if the contest can just say "not my responsibility" when it comes to making sure participants qualify under them?

    If the rules matter so little to a contest that they dont feel responsible to make sure they are upheld..then the rules are useless.
    If the rules state that the contestant must be a born female then it is the responsibility of the contestant to be honest. If they aren't (or don't read the rules)they are to blame completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    If the rules state that the contestant must be a born female then it is the responsibility of the contestant to be honest. If they aren't (or don't read the rules)they are to blame completely.
    We just disagree on this lol I think both parties have a responsibly here.

    Like, as a mom, I have certain rules in my home. She has a responsibility to follow them, but I also have the responsibility to make sure my own rules are being followed. Letting her get away with breaking them, then saying she is completely to blame and I have no responsibility in how she behaves is bad parenting.

    I see the same thing here. The contestants should follow the rules, and the contest should make sure their own rules are being followed.

    Anyway, hopefully now I hope that with all this brought to light, they make the contestants clearly aware of this rule, or (my preference) that they do away with this rule. I do see a transgendered woman as as much of a woman as one who was naturally born as one, and I think it would be awesome to see them be able to be a part of this. As it stands now for this contest, they are not equal to women, that is the rule should be enforced from the get go, to avoid this sort of thing from happening again.
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    Ms. Talackova knowingly didn't disclose information that could lead to an issue of participation. The rule seems pretty clear. I have no issue with the removal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    We just disagree on this lol I think both parties have a responsibly here.

    Like, as a mom, I have certain rules in my home. She has a responsibility to follow them, but I also have the responsibility to make sure my own rules are being followed. Letting her get away with breaking them, then saying she is completely to blame and I have no responsibility in how she behaves is bad parenting.

    I see the same thing here. The contestants should follow the rules, and the contest should make sure their own rules are being followed.

    Anyway, hopefully now I hope that with all this brought to light, they make the contestants clearly aware of this rule, or (my preference) that they do away with this rule. I do see a transgendered woman as as much of a woman as one who was naturally born as one, and I think it would be awesome to see them be able to be a part of this. As it stands now for this contest, they are not equal to women, that is the rule should be enforced from the get go, to avoid this sort of thing from happening again.
    But in your case your daughter is a child. That to me is much different than an adult who should read the rules. This contestant was in the wrong for not reading the rules. That's what is the problem with today's society we blame everyone but ourselves. If I won a contest then found out I was disqualified from rules then guess what, it's my fault for not reading the rules.

    This will probably infuriate people but I don't consider a transgendered woman the same as a woman. I don't think they should be discriminated against but should not be considered a woman in every single situation. For example if a beauty contest only wants natural born females this should be respected.

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    she is a woman. this is silly, rude, and uncouth.

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    I really don't know why they didn't let her compete, you would think the other women would have a advantage.

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    The rules were clear about being born female. If the person lied then yes they deserve to be kicked out.

    Honestly most people do not see transgendered women the same as women. I signed up on a sugar daddy site that had a chat feature connected to it. City chat I believe it was called. Now this chat was supposed to connect to a sugar daddy chat but instead threw me into the main chat area with a label of "M" for male. The chat was for transsexuals, cross dressers, transvestites and those that love them. About 20 guys tried to immediately instant message me and were saying how good I looked as a female. They even went to ask about my hormone shots while I sat there looking confused. When I told these men that I was born 100% female 19 out of the 20 stopped talking to me. Only 1 guy stayed because he said "cool I'm bi" . Now obviously if these men didn't care about me being born a woman they wouldn't have abruptly left. They wanted someone male that was transitioning into being female or they wanted someone " passable" . I mean if they want women and see a trans woman as a woman why the sudden disinterest for someone born a woman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    But in your case your daughter is a child. That to me is much different than an adult who should read the rules. This contestant was in the wrong for not reading the rules. That's what is the problem with today's society we blame everyone but ourselves. If I won a contest then found out I was disqualified from rules then guess what, it's my fault for not reading the rules.

    This will probably infuriate people but I don't consider a transgendered woman the same as a woman. I don't think they should be discriminated against but should not be considered a woman in every single situation. For example if a beauty contest only wants natural born females this should be respected.
    Well, I used my daughter as an example because its the only one where Im in a position to make any rules at all So from the "rule maker" standpoint, I do feel I am responsible for making sure they are being followed. If youd like an adult example, when I was in the army, as a rule we had very specific things we had to do to look presentable. We all knew the rules, it was our responsibility to follow them, but our superiors had the responsibility to hold inspections and make sure the rules were being followed. If a soldier is looking all tore up, not only will that solder be reprimanded, but their chain of command as well because they are responsible for making sure that rule is followed.

    Im just saying...personal responsibility is not the only one that matters... If you have people under you, running an organization, doing anything that involved rules and regulations...you also have a responsibility to make sure its being done correctly.

    I know there are people who see a transgendered woman as not a woman...Im not going to argue that, its a whole other topic altogether... I will say though that I have so much respect for people who can be themselves, and not let what someone else thinks of them discourage them. We've made a lot of progress in sexism, and racism, and I really do hope that this is just another thing that with time will be, even if not understood or agreed with, will at least be tolerated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    The rules were clear about being born female. If the person lied then yes they deserve to be kicked out.

    Honestly most people do not see transgendered women the same as women. I signed up on a sugar daddy site that had a chat feature connected to it. City chat I believe it was called. Now this chat was supposed to connect to a sugar daddy chat but instead threw me into the main chat area with a label of "M" for male. The chat was for transsexuals, cross dressers, transvestites and those that love them. About 20 guys tried to immediately instant message me and were saying how good I looked as a female. They even went to ask about my hormone shots while I sat there looking confused. When I told these men that I was born 100% female 19 out of the 20 stopped talking to me. Only 1 guy stayed because he said "cool I'm bi" . Now obviously if these men didn't care about me being born a woman they wouldn't have abruptly left. They wanted someone male that was transitioning into being female or they wanted someone " passable" . I mean if they want women and see a trans woman as a woman why the sudden disinterest for someone born a woman?
    Because they have a fetish...you were on an adult board set for people meeting others, so having bunch of fetishist in one room isnt that surprising really.

    I dont know, Im just LGBT positive, and believe in respecting and accepting people for who they are. I would never disrespect a transgendered woman by referring to them as "he" with the argument they are not really a woman...my choices are to accept it or not accept it, not to decide for them what they are.
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    Calling a transgendered woman "him", especially if they are post-op, is not only incorrect but deliberately rude.

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    Just because you cut ears off a dog, does not make it a pussy!
    A man is a man. I don't care how you dress him up or down.
    If he was to get into a physical conflict with a woman, he would still be considered a man attacking a woman.
    He would never be allowed to compete in sports against women.

    NO MAN, whom is heterosexual will accept a trans as a woman. He is still a man!

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    A dog and a cat are completely different species of animals.
    So using an example like that, is just like saying a transgendered woman is not even a human being.

    Also, its not at all just a matter of a man "cutting something off" and then they are a woman.
    Its so much more complex than that, and it goes far beyond physically looking like a woman.

    It really sucks that people really think that transgendered really just cut off a body part then say they are a woman.
    Its such a huge journey...but anyway...I know that Im not going to change anyones mind.

    Oh, and just to freak you all out even more...there are transgendered men as well.
    I saw a post with some photos just about a week ago, titled something about found something weird.
    I didnt respond to the thread because it just made me sad that because they are different, that they are weird.

    But anyway...speaking of rules..tolerance and acceptance is a rule in my house...respect for others is a huge deal to me.
    Kiddo makes me proud though...and shes a lot more outspoken than me. Lucky shes not the one responding to this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    A dog and a cat are completely different species of animals.
    So using an example like that, is just like saying a transgendered woman is not even a human being.

    Also, its not at all just a matter of a man "cutting something off" and then they are a woman.
    Its so much more complex than that, and it goes far beyond physically looking like a woman.

    It really sucks that people really think that transgendered really just cut off a body part then say they are a woman.
    Its such a huge journey...but anyway...I know that Im not going to change anyones mind.

    Oh, and just to freak you all out even more...there are transgendered men as well.
    I saw a post with some photos just about a week ago, titled something about found something weird.
    I didnt respond to the thread because it just made me sad that because they are different, that they are weird.

    But anyway...speaking of rules..tolerance and acceptance is a rule in my house...respect for others is a huge deal to me.
    Kiddo makes me proud though...and shes a lot more outspoken than me. Lucky shes not the one responding to this thread
    There are transgendered beauty pageants across the world. What's wrong with a transgendered person competing in one? Again this isn't about what the person identifies with today, it's what they were born that they lied about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    Well, I used my daughter as an example because its the only one where Im in a position to make any rules at all So from the "rule maker" standpoint, I do feel I am responsible for making sure they are being followed. If youd like an adult example, when I was in the army, as a rule we had very specific things we had to do to look presentable. We all knew the rules, it was our responsibility to follow them, but our superiors had the responsibility to hold inspections and make sure the rules were being followed. If a soldier is looking all tore up, not only will that solder be reprimanded, but their chain of command as well because they are responsible for making sure that rule is followed.

    Im just saying...personal responsibility is not the only one that matters... If you have people under you, running an organization, doing anything that involved rules and regulations...you also have a responsibility to make sure its being done correctly.
    It's a bit unfair to use a the military (Specifically the US Military) for how organization should be ran. I know you were using it a prospective for your standing but let's keep in mind, the military as an organization based on being an efficient machine. It has thousands of individuals who's jobs are 2 things. 1) Do their job 2) Make sure others do theirs. Yes, simplistically put but much of the military is based on simplicity. With that said, the military is pretty damn strict on information not being disclosed, especially info about you prior to service that might conflict a policy. They don't simply say "Our bad." and let you go on your merry way.

    I know there are people who see a transgendered woman as not a woman...Im not going to argue that, its a whole other topic altogether... I will say though that I have so much respect for people who can be themselves, and not let what someone else thinks of them discourage them. We've made a lot of progress in sexism, and racism, and I really do hope that this is just another thing that with time will be, even if not understood or agreed with, will at least be tolerated.
    I agree but I also believe private organizations who have contests have the right to allow or disallow anyone. They put the time, effort, and funding into it. Ms Talackova was born a man physically and that's a fact. Didn't disclose it and since it's a contest based on physical merit of naturally born women, I have no problem with it even though she looks and mentally is a woman.

    Btw this totally reminds me of the Saved by the Bell episode with Screech entering the Miss Bayside contest

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    There are transgendered beauty pageants across the world. What's wrong with a transgendered person competing in one? Again this isn't about what the person identifies with today, it's what they were born that they lied about.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with that...not sure why you question me, as I did not say or allude to it that there is?
    Now, the reason that there even has to be transgendered beauty pagents is because they are not accepted as women.

    At one time, restaurants were white only, and blacks opened restaurants they could eat in. On one hand its good that they didnt give in to the limitation and do without. On the other hand, its sad that they were required to stick to their own and not considered equal. Of course many at the time were in support with the same argument, dont you have your own restaurants? eat there and stay out of ours. Progress changed that. And I hope that accepting transgendered males and females is an area where perceptions will change and progress will be made as well.

    I dont believe that its a lie when a transgendered woman calls herself a woman..
    Many times, when people go through this process, they never identified with the sex they were born with.
    They arent trying to be liars...especially considering that they are clearly not men, and believed not to be women, its a lot harder to be honest with themselves and live freely for who they are.

    Than it is to live a lie just for the sake of make people happy..which unfortunately is what many feel forced to do just to fit in a neat box of what normal is, and what normal looks like as much of society expects them to.

    There really is nothing to argue or berate a transgendered for in this case though because those of you who think a transgendered woman is not a woman or equal to one already has the support of this contest. That you can look at her and say shes clearly all man inside and out well...I will not argue with your perception or opinion.
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    One form or another of bigotry is always in fashion. Today it is fashionable to be prejudiced against women who transitioned, who knows what tomorrow will bring? Ignorance is bliss.

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    Some of y'all are unbelievably ignorant. I'm actually really surprised.

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