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    Can you make money without showing your face? Sure, you can. Can you make A LOT of money without showing your face? Probably not. I do think that showing your face is absolutely essential to making decent money on Streamate. Of course, this is from my own personal experience. I wouldn't make even half what I do without showing my face, it's the one thing I get complimented on the most.
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    Sorry to go back to the gold show thing, I didn't look at this thread until just now. I don't think they're essential but I do think it would be nice for everyone to have the option of doing gold shows from the beginning, I think it's a great feature. I have always wondered why performers don't all get the same features such as the pause button and gold shows instead of having to ask for them or wait to be enabled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awmvanessa View Post
    Hope all of you are having a great day!

    To keep the ongoing theme of Newbie Tuesday, here's the latest interesting Streamate newcomer/potential newcomer question that I have to share with you:

    "Do I have to show my face [on Streamate]?"

    I actually run into this question quite often. In my mind, it would essentially become an arduous task having to juggle interacting with customers (either via typing or talking), performing (if you're already in Paid), and keeping at an angle that doesn't capture you from the neck-up. Privacy and discretion is almost always at the forefront of many new performers' lists of questions and concerns, but at the same token, the main reason that they want to join the site is to make money...

    In turn, I ask to you all:

    Do you think that it's realistic to make money by not revealing your face on cam? Do you think showing your face is actually important to your customers in the grand scheme of things?'


    I think that some models have to show face and some don't. It really depends on the model. For me personally, I show face in free chat but as soon as I get into private I only show body. At most, i'll show the bottom half of my face to give them the illusion that they're seeing my face. But I have a hard time contorting my body to show all of me anyway. Its a tiny screen. How the hell am I supposed to fit my body from head to toe in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsani View Post
    Sorry to go back to the gold show thing, I didn't look at this thread until just now. I don't think they're essential but I do think it would be nice for everyone to have the option of doing gold shows from the beginning, I think it's a great feature. I have always wondered why performers don't all get the same features such as the pause button and gold shows instead of having to ask for them or wait to be enabled.
    Honestly, I'm not sure why all performers don't have the "pause" button automatically enabled, as I know it is a handy tool for many of you. As far as I know, Gold Shows are being enabled for performers who meet the qualifications, but that Model Support is only enabling them in batches since they have to manually go in and check to see that performers meet the minimum criteria. I can see why Gold Shows have not been widely enabled for all performers, though: quite a few performers aren't streaming in HD, or worse, their stream quality is not that great (at times, unbeknownst to the model). If performers that did not meet the current criteria for Gold Shows suddenly had the feature enabled on their profile, and they got kicked off of SM/their Internet stream fluctuated/crashed and they "lost" their Gold Show before it was actually completed because their computer/Internet connection simply couldn't handle it, it would probably be pretty chaotic on all ends of the equation (models, SM, and members). No bueno. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsani View Post
    Sorry to go back to the gold show thing, I didn't look at this thread until just now. I don't think they're essential but I do think it would be nice for everyone to have the option of doing gold shows from the beginning, I think it's a great feature. I have always wondered why performers don't all get the same features such as the pause button and gold shows instead of having to ask for them or wait to be enabled.
    ... I do agree with you, though. Gold Shows can be a pretty cool/fun feature to have if you feel like mixing it up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awmvanessa View Post

    Do you think that it's realistic to make money by not revealing your face on cam? Do you think showing your face is actually important to your customers in the grand scheme of things?'
    Do I think you can make money by not revealing your face on cam? Sure.

    Do I think you can make a LIVING by not revealing your face on cam? Doubtful.
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    That does make sense tbh, however, I know that a lot of ladies (inc myself yesterday) are/have problems with the encoder kicking them out on occassions even though there set ups are more than good enough for HD streaming. Maybe the encoder itself could do with tweaking? I'm not technically minded so idk if its possible lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by awmvanessa View Post
    Honestly, I'm not sure why all performers don't have the "pause" button automatically enabled, as I know it is a handy tool for many of you. As far as I know, Gold Shows are being enabled for performers who meet the qualifications, but that Model Support is only enabling them in batches since they have to manually go in and check to see that performers meet the minimum criteria. I can see why Gold Shows have not been widely enabled for all performers, though: quite a few performers aren't streaming in HD, or worse, their stream quality is not that great (at times, unbeknownst to the model). If performers that did not meet the current criteria for Gold Shows suddenly had the feature enabled on their profile, and they got kicked off of SM/their Internet stream fluctuated/crashed and they "lost" their Gold Show before it was actually completed because their computer/Internet connection simply couldn't handle it, it would probably be pretty chaotic on all ends of the equation (models, SM, and members). No bueno. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missymissdemeanour View Post
    That does make sense tbh, however, I know that a lot of ladies (inc myself yesterday) are/have problems with the encoder kicking them out on occassions even though there set ups are more than good enough for HD streaming. Maybe the encoder itself could do with tweaking? I'm not technically minded so idk if its possible lol.
    Hmm, have you downloaded the most recent version of the Encoder? I was working with a model toward the end of last week that was encountering issues (maybe not the same as yours) where she couldn't see her actual video w/in the Encoder even though her Encoder settings were correct. You can try downloading it and hopefully this will make a difference: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/f...MLE3.2.1_r.dmg

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    Thanks for the answer, Vanessa. Yeah I totally understand how stream quality could badly affect gold shows now. Pause buttons for all would be nice though hehe.

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    I really don't understand why they don't just enable the pause button for everyone but I emailed them and asked them to give me the pause button and they did right away. I explained to them that I don't like having to log out after every private just do I could put my clothes back on. It's a hassle to have to restart the encoder and all that crap when the pause/break button would make things so much easier for all of us. I just don't understand why we all didn't have that enabled to begin with. Seems like it would make things much more simple.

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    awmvanessa: I would just like to say AGAIN how awesome it is to have you here with us on Stripperweb. It has been a true pleasure for me to read and contribute to your 'Newbie Tuesday' thread. I really wish this thread would of been around when I started camming and that was only maybe six months ago! (*laughs*)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shywebcamgirl View Post
    awmvanessa: I would just like to say AGAIN how awesome it is to have you here with us on Stripperweb. It has been a true pleasure for me to read and contribute to your 'Newbie Tuesday' thread. I really wish this thread would of been around when I started camming and that was only maybe six months ago! (*laughs*)
    You're a doll- thank you! It's nice to be a part of the SW community.

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    I am trying to imagine working while not showing my face....and I'm not sure how I could!! Sure, it'd be easy enough to sit in free chat with the cam pointed at your boobs with a disembodied voice coming from above....but when it comes to the actual shows, what the heck would you do?? You obviously couldn't do cock-sucking shows, or any fetish shows that related to the face (mouth fetish, lip fetish, vore, chewing, etc). I'm not sure that "I" could effectively do any dom or humiliation shows without facial expression, either. As for straight up (ha! puns are funny) vaginal/anal shows, I always either lay back on the couch or bed over it - I can't imagine moving around into decent angles without showing at least a LITTLE face....And can you imagine the conversation in your room? Open face bb....

    Frankly, the amount of money that the average girl could make not showing her face at all would be so little that it wouldn't really be worth camming, to me. Maybe these girls should be doing clips that are all hand fetish or foot fetish - its a lot easier to avoid showing your face in those...

    Another couple thoughts (not money related)
    - unless you are completely free of distinguishing bodily marks, you could be recognized anyway. No moles, scars or tattoos? You could do it. I'd have to go on in a full catsuit and gimp mask to hide all my distinguishing marks!!
    - From a legal standpoint, it could be tricky if you NEVER showed face - how would SM know that you were the person in the ID that was scanned in? Someone could scan in an ID, and then have underage or unwilling girls working the cam - you would never know if it was the person on the ID or not...it would seem fishy to me...
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    I hope you all had a great Easter weekend! Things got pretty backed up after the holiday weekend, but I didn't want to give up on the Newbie Tuesday thread this week! So I'm a day late...

    My question for this week pertains to industry-relevant experience:

    Do you think that previous stripping or escorting experience gives you a leg up when it comes to the 'camming industry?


    Many newcomer inquiries that I receive [confidently] state right off the bat that they were or are a stripper or an escort, and that they'd completely 'rock' in the webcamming industry. Though both of those businesses maintain their own respective criteria in order to be successful, do you think that having the hustle-factor is all you need in any of these adult industries to find success, or are they so apples-to-oranges that it's kind of a toss-up in any scenario?

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    Quote Originally Posted by awmvanessa View Post
    I hope you all had a great Easter weekend! Things got pretty backed up after the holiday weekend, but I didn't want to give up on the Newbie Tuesday thread this week! So I'm a day late...

    My question for this week pertains to industry-relevant experience:

    Do you think that previous stripping or escorting experience gives you a leg up when it comes to the 'camming industry?


    Many newcomer inquiries that I receive [confidently] state right off the bat that they were or are a stripper or an escort, and that they'd completely 'rock' in the webcamming industry. Though both of those businesses maintain their own respective criteria in order to be successful, do you think that having the hustle-factor is all you need in any of these adult industries to find success, or are they so apples-to-oranges that it's kind of a toss-up in any scenario?
    Great question!
    I was an escort for years before I started camming. My biggest advantage is that I knew how to deal with freeloaders right away. I learned how to weed out timewasters, they can't manipulate me with compliments and can't get to me with insults. I'm not saying that every new camgirl can be manipulated or can't deal with freeloaders, but I know that I had to learn these things the hard way (I used to be naive, very naive!). Other than that I found the two industries to be quite different.

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    @Claudia - Interesting... how about interaction? Did you find it easier to talk to your customers and/or get to know them when webcamming in attempts to build that online clientele-base?

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    Quote Originally Posted by awmvanessa View Post
    I hope you all had a great Easter weekend! Things got pretty backed up after the holiday weekend, but I didn't want to give up on the Newbie Tuesday thread this week! So I'm a day late...

    My question for this week pertains to industry-relevant experience:

    Do you think that previous stripping or escorting experience gives you a leg up when it comes to the 'camming industry?


    Many newcomer inquiries that I receive [confidently] state right off the bat that they were or are a stripper or an escort, and that they'd completely 'rock' in the webcamming industry. Though both of those businesses maintain their own respective criteria in order to be successful, do you think that having the hustle-factor is all you need in any of these adult industries to find success, or are they so apples-to-oranges that it's kind of a toss-up in any scenario?
    Great question!

    I was a stripper before I started camming, and it has helped in some ways. It has definitely made me hardened to pity-cases, time-wasters, and manipulative men. Its also hardened me to insulting assholes, and to societal reactions to the work. It has also improved my money-handling skills....though that is just experience, I think!!

    However, in terms of the hustle, I've actually found it completely different. Not being able to see and touch the customer (I'm just talking about touching on the arm, or putting an arm around them, before we get worked up about dirty dancing!!) has been a major hindrance for me - it is so different to interact with people over a computer screen!

    Then again, it is always hard to form an objective opinion - I have only ever cammed after dancing, so I don't know if it would have been very different or more difficult if I hadn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awmvanessa View Post
    @Claudia - Interesting... how about interaction? Did you find it easier to talk to your customers and/or get to know them when webcamming in attempts to build that online clientele-base?
    To be honest I prefered that part in escorting. I got used to seeing the client (so I could tell by body language and whatnot if he's bored with the conversation and wants to get down to business; if he's bored with the things we're doing and wants to do something else; if he's ready to cum; if he's enjoying what we're doing and wants to continue, etc.) so I'm still kind of lost sometimes on cam, lol! That's why I love cam2cam, it gives me feedback other than the occasional "mmmmmmm"
    Also I perfected the art of getting to know someone in 20 minutes or less (as I'm sure nearly all escorts do) so I knew if he wants rough sex or gentle GFE even if he didn't tell me beforehand his preferences. I'm in the process of perfecting this in camming too
    Escorting was more personal, camming is way different - but I'm sure this is something that varies for everyone (I was specialising in GFE).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudiaReina View Post
    I learned how to weed out timewasters, they can't manipulate me with compliments and can't get to me with insults. I'm not saying that every new camgirl can be manipulated or can't deal with freeloaders, but I know that I had to learn these things the hard way (I used to be naive, very naive!). Other than that I found the two industries to be quite different.
    I know that as a new camgirl those two things have been some of the hardest things I've been having to learn. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    I know that as a new camgirl those two things have been some of the hardest things I've been having to learn. :/
    It was very hard at first, those manipulative assholes...Ugh. But I learned how to deal with them after a while and when I transitioned into camming, this part was a piece of cake. When you were dealing with them in person for years, it's nothing to see some words on a screen and clicking the ban button!

    I ban everyone who wants to manipulate me. Those "show ass bb and we go exclusive for 1 hour", they get banned as soon as I see those words on my screen. This is almost the only thing I will not tolerate in my room (disrespect being the other one). I can have fun with beggars, I converted some of the "show tits bb" types too, I converted some of the "will you talk to me on msn for free" types but I don't want to deal with these guys at all. It just fills me with rage for some reason. Maybe it's because I was dealing with these types in person and now I can finally ban them forever, lol!
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    how did i just see this thread? hehe i love this! i gotta stop forgetting to check cc.

    re: gold shows - given the climate on streamate right now with so many first-page models doing really cheap gold shows, i would probably be making $5-$10 less an hour at least if i relied solely on privates. that said, i do still make decent money on privates. but some of my nicest repeat customers are guys who really like gold shows, and a lot of guys just aren't willing to spend the money on privates but will on gold shows. my biggest issue with gold shows right now is that because of my traffic/popularity/placement, i can only meet goal if i do small buy-ins with short shows and a low goal. if i set my buy-in to $5 with a goal of $50 or $70, i have a hard time getting people to pledge. but if i change it to $4 with a goal of $30 or $40, i meet and frequently exceed the goal. ideally i'd love to be able to meet $100 goals reliably...but...i've not been able to yet.

    re: showing face - to some of my customers it's important, to others it's not. some really like my face/eyes/accessories/makeup. i think if i didn't show my face and talk, it would be much more impersonal and i'd probably be less successful. but there are top first-page models who don't talk and don't always show their face...so...it depends on the person i guess.

    re: previous experience - i think any experience in the adult industry is helpful when you're entering another area of the adult industry. i did prostitution before i started camming, and since i've started camming i've also done porn. camming is a totally different gig from prostitution but it helped me become more comfortable with my body and being naked in front of people i don't know. what was funny was what prostitution did NOT teach me - how to deal with beggars and assholes. most men who pay for sex in real life accept that they are going to pay and don't haggle or try to get freebies. that is NOT the case with camming - i had to grow a spine pretty fucking quick.

    honestly, the most helpful experience i had before camming is from being an independent contractor and doing bookkeeping and consulting for small businesses. if i'd been thrown into camming with no previous experience as an ic, figuring out all the legal and financial issues would have been a nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinydancer23 View Post
    what was funny was what prostitution did NOT teach me - how to deal with beggars and assholes. most men who pay for sex in real life accept that they are going to pay and don't haggle or try to get freebies.

    That's interesting! I always got many assholes who were trying to push me into things they knew I don't offer; hagglers and beggars on the phone and in person too.
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    i mean, i'm not going to say it never happens but in my experience it's less common in real life than online. i haven't worked in many different places though and i only worked for about a year, so it might just be that i was lucky.

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    Question Re: Newbie Tuesday!

    Hope everyone is having a great Hump Day! Here's a simple, nostalgic (and belated) Newbie Tuesday question for you ladies:

    How did you get turned onto webcam modeling?

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    Good question. I was actually doing virtual escorting and voice escorting on Second Life. I would book a few skype sessions paid through Second Life. Someone on there from Internet Modeling said he was a hiring agent and could get me a job as a camgirl so I put in the paperwork. Thank goodness it came back needing more info/corrections because I found StripperWeb and discovered that I was signing up through a studio. So I did research here and signed up on sites on my own and the rest is history!

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