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    Because I don't want to see pierre's thread at the top anymore, I have a question that I've been mulling over for a little while.

    Stripper Shit. A necessary and sometimes fun part of the game. In the club, it's an alternate universe where fantasy takes over... and I kinda love it The more I enjoy myself at SCs, the more outrageous SS gets whispered into my ear in dark corners. Everything from financial sob stories (benign and sometimes hilariously amusing - the best story I heard involved a car, a dog, a water bottle truck and a horse trailer - fucking priceless) to behavior designed to get me to return (ubiquitous and an art form when done well - which makes me empty my wallet) to OTC promises (always felt like this crossed a line when clearly not genuine - maybe that's just me?)...

    All that being said, it got me thinking - dancers, when you dole out SS, ideally, how do you want the customer to respond? I ask because I've actually gone back to look at a few threads and in each case, there wasn't a majority opinion that I could see. On the one hand, in past posts, dancers lost respect for a customer who had no SS radar - he's a naive dolt. "I can't believe he bought that!" So from a customer's point of view, playing along with the clearly crazy stories runs the risk of making him look like an idiot. However, I can't help but think a customer who doesn't play along is an even bigger pain in the ass precisely because he's not playing along.

    Which begs the question: is there any graceful way for a customer to handle obvious SS without looking a) naive or b) an asshole?

    Full disclosure, I've played along in nearly every case thus far, nodding as if my life depended on it, trying to keep the fun going. But recently I've almost laughed or groaned after the more outlandish tales - which is pretty much the equivalent of calling bullshit.

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    Idk Kessler, but I believe that you are overthinking this a bit. They want you to respond by handing over your money. I suspect that most of them really don't care much beyond that.

    IMHO what you should be worrying about is what type of behavior you want to reward. Do you really want to pay a dancer who hustles you by telling you obviously bogus or outlandish stories? It is not your job to humor every bad hustler and con artist working in the club. In my dealings with these types, I tend to send them away very quickly and I don't care what they think of me.

    With that said, I'll get out of the way now and watch in fascination at what your target audience has to say...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kessler View Post

    All that being said, it got me thinking - dancers, when you dole out SS, ideally, how do you want the customer to respond? I ask because I've actually gone back to look at a few threads and in each case, there wasn't a majority opinion that I could see. On the one hand, in past posts, dancers lost respect for a customer who had no SS radar - he's a naive dolt. "I can't believe he bought that!" So from a customer's point of view, playing along with the clearly crazy stories runs the risk of making him look like an idiot. However, I can't help but think a customer who doesn't play along is an even bigger pain in the ass precisely because he's not playing along.
    Don't confuse what dancers say here while participating in an on-line forum with what they want from you at work-your money. In the context of removing you from your money, some may think you are naive, some may think you are a nice guy and generous customer and still others may think that you are nothing more than a means to an end.

    If there is a place to over-think this sort of thing I guess this board is it. In the club it's a lot simpler.
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    I have not yet had the pleasure of experiencing SS in any major way. Most of the time I skip the small-talk and go straight to the dance(s). The talk never gets beyond basic info (how long she has worked there, where she worked before, simple stuff).
    I do know that dancers posting on this forum and dancers I talk to in my club are two very different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kessler View Post
    All that being said, it got me thinking - dancers, when you dole out SS, ideally, how do you want the customer to respond?
    By emptying your wallet on me time and time again.

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    Here's the thing hon, if I'm good at what I do, you'll never know whether it's bullshit or not, which means I have to have a read on you. I have to know what you want to hear, and I have to not take it to a ludicrous level. It's called being a good hustler. The goal? Your wallet contents (and possibly more). That's how I want you to respond.
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    The goal? Your wallet contents (and possibly more). That's how I want you to respond.
    ...and possibly more? That sent a bit of a chill down my spine

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    ...and possibly more? That sent a bit of a chill down my spine
    *sigh* More money.
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    *sigh* More money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Idk Kessler, but I believe that you are overthinking this a bit. They want you to respond by handing over your money. I suspect that most of them really don't care much beyond that.

    IMHO what you should be worrying about is what type of behavior you want to reward. Do you really want to pay a dancer who hustles you by telling you obviously bogus or outlandish stories? It is not your job to humor every bad hustler and con artist working in the club. In my dealings with these types, I tend to send them away very quickly and I don't care what they think of me.

    With that said, I'll get out of the way now and watch in fascination at what your target audience has to say...
    Precisely. I never cared as long as it resulted in my end goal.

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    You know, as soon as I sent this, I realized I was over thinking it. As Yoda said, I confused discussion here with discussion on the board. End goal: $$$$$

    Jay said it about as well as can be said from a skill pov - that's some fucking good hustle advice. There's a finesse that I respect. Wallet meet Jay, Jay, meet wallet.

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    ...and possibly more? That sent a bit of a chill down my spine
    Calm down. She's talking about an ITC ATM withdrawal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kessler View Post
    Because I don't want to see pierre's thread at the top anymore, I have a question that I've been mulling over for a little while.

    Stripper Shit. A necessary and sometimes fun part of the game. In the club, it's an alternate universe where fantasy takes over... and I kinda love it The more I enjoy myself at SCs, the more outrageous SS gets whispered into my ear in dark corners. Everything from financial sob stories (benign and sometimes hilariously amusing - the best story I heard involved a car, a dog, a water bottle truck and a horse trailer - fucking priceless) to behavior designed to get me to return (ubiquitous and an art form when done well - which makes me empty my wallet) to OTC promises (always felt like this crossed a line when clearly not genuine - maybe that's just me?)...

    All that being said, it got me thinking - dancers, when you dole out SS, ideally, how do you want the customer to respond? I ask because I've actually gone back to look at a few threads and in each case, there wasn't a majority opinion that I could see. On the one hand, in past posts, dancers lost respect for a customer who had no SS radar - he's a naive dolt. "I can't believe he bought that!" So from a customer's point of view, playing along with the clearly crazy stories runs the risk of making him look like an idiot. However, I can't help but think a customer who doesn't play along is an even bigger pain in the ass precisely because he's not playing along.

    Which begs the question: is there any graceful way for a customer to handle obvious SS without looking a) naive or b) an asshole?

    Full disclosure, I've played along in nearly every case thus far, nodding as if my life depended on it, trying to keep the fun going. But recently I've almost laughed or groaned after the more outlandish tales - which is pretty much the equivalent of calling bullshit.

    Thoughts?
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    Calm down. She's talking about an ITC ATM withdrawal...
    Haha, yoda you know me too well!
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    Calm down. She's talking about an ITC ATM withdrawal...
    Also known as the "Walk of Shame"...
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    Also known as the "Walk of Shame"...

    Really? Not in these parts. The walk of shame is what the guy with a wet spot does as he leaves the LD area and tries to get to his car without anyone noticing. Either that or it's the walk the dancer does to the ladies room to clean up and dispose of the condom...
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    Really? Not in these parts. The walk of shame is what the guy with a wet spot does as he leaves the LD area and tries to get to his car without anyone noticing. Either that or it's the walk the dancer does to the ladies room to clean up and dispose of the condom...
    It's not as bad as a wet spot with me, but I DO have to wait about 15 minutes or so for my erection to go back down, so that when I get up to leave, there isn't this giant pitched tent poking out from my hips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Let_It_Fly View Post
    Also known as the "Walk of Shame"...
    Yah cuz paying someone is always shameful.
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    The walk of shame is what the guy with a wet spot does as he leaves the LD area and tries to get to his car without anyone noticing.
    LOL. This has always been my understanding as well.

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    Either that or it's the walk the dancer does to the ladies room to clean up and dispose of the condom...
    This is a new one to me...

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    This is a new one to me...
    Heard that one at Cheaters in Providence....
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    In a SC I pretend that we're all in a David Lynch movie, and we all have our defined (yet bizarre) roles to play.
    Helps to put all of the SS and everything else into perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    In a SC I pretend that we're all in a David Lynch movie, and we all have our defined (yet bizarre) roles to play.
    Helps to put all of the SS and everything else into perspective.
    You have to be a little off kilter to be in a SC in the first place, regardless of what side you're on.
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    You have to be a little off kilter to be in a SC in the first place, regardless of what side you're on.
    Very true!

    I always get irritated when people go on and on and on about stripping being 'just another job' when it is about as far removed from 'normal' as possible. 'Normal jobs' don't entail performing on a stage, any kind of stage at all--and not for a bunch of drunk degenerates either.

    Much less dealing with crazy co-workers on every drug known to man (in some clubs), or just naturally crazy (in almost all clubs there is this contingent). Some of the men working the industry also take the concept of 'Sexual Harassment' to new and amazing levels--and there is no judge or jury in the land that will have any sympathy, either.

    Much less getting naked in front of total strangers night after night.

    Much less rubbing all over them. And pretending to like it even if they are fat old guys talking about weird shit, etc.

    Much less constantly having to keep customers fingers out of all the various orifices, and so forth.

    It takes a special kind of crazy to deal with all this stuff night after night---and yet stay relatively sane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    In a SC I pretend that we're all in a David Lynch movie, and we all have our defined (yet bizarre) roles to play.
    Helps to put all of the SS and everything else into perspective.
    Having worked in a couple clubs that were very much like a Lynch movie, and one that was an outrageous combo of Lynch and Tarentino, I can testify that acting as though you were in a movie is a great way to deal with all of it--whether as a customer or as an employee.


    To the OP. You aren't entirely out of line for wondering how to deal with SS, as a newbie to the club scene. Because some of the SS is way the fuck out there. They even try to run that shit on me sometimes--to get out of going to stage in particular, or weaseling out of tipping me at the end of the night lol.

    The best thing to do, in order to avoid looking like a fucking moron or a mark, might be to just laugh. Not a mean laugh--no need to provoke a confrontation. Because for one thing, some of them actually believe their own line of SS and will get pissed if you are openly derisive about it. Just a polite little slightly sardonic and mildly sympathetic laugh. This will get it across that you aren't an idiot who will suck up every lie they tell you, while keeping things pleasant and social. And just let them run the Game on you--it is their job after all...
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