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    Default Anyone here upgrade to using USB 3.0 yet?

    Just wondering if anyone here is using USB 3.0?

    I just purchased one of these http://blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/ for my mac. I don't have usb 3.0, but my mac does have a thunderbolt port. Thunderbolt is faster then USB 3.0. Rather a put a deposit on one of these as the stores up here do not keep them in stock so they have to order one for me.

    I am mainly interested in knowing a few things-has it improved your room traffic? Can you comment on the comparison to devices that are usb 2.0?

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    Default Re: Anyone here upgrade to using USB 3.0 yet?

    Both my relatively new desktop computer and laptop have USB 3.0 ports. Where general devices are concerned, USB 3.0 is majorly faster than USB 2.0. This shows up big time with devices like USB backup hard drives. Also, one of the vacationing gentlemen down here way south of the border bought me a Flea 3 USB 3.0 1920p HD camera ( see ) to keep in touch with him after he returned to Europe. The resulting video is literally 'broadcast' quality right out of the camera and straight into my laptop via USB 3.0.

    Unfortunately, since I don't cam any longer except by 'appointment', I can't really tell you how much of a difference that true HD video with very high frame rate capability would actually make in regard to 'selling' your webcam to new customers. But a number of top rated girls are generating true HD video with very high frame rates. This has typically been done using an analog camera and a video capture card to get around the comparatively slow USB 2.0 and/or firewire data speed capability that prevents sufficient data transmission for true HD.

    USB 3.0 and thunderbolt both get around the USB 2.0 problem without requiring the use of 'internal' video cards ( which has all but ruled out the use of laptops for true HD ), as with your Intensity connected to your Mac via thunderbolt. USB 3.0 and thunderbolt speeds are both easily capable of supporting 1080p true HD video streaming. In principle, thunderbolt has more flexibility and higher ultimate speed capability than USB 3.0, but this doesn't matter for video applications unless some future date makes 1920p at 60 frames per second 'obsolete'.

    If your actual concern is weighing USB 3.0 against thunderbolt in terms of available cameras and other 3rd party hardware devices besides hard drives, at this point there ARE 3rd party devices ( like my Flea 3 and your Intensity ) already available for USB 3.0. There are interesting rumors about potential new 3rd party video devices ( like a Nikon and/or Canon camera ) for thunderbolt. However, since thunderbolt at the consumer level is primarily promoted by Apple, 3rd party products for that limited market are likely to follow past history i.e. a few developers producing excellent but expensive products for purchase by Apple users ( although Acer and Asus have both hinted that they will offer thunderbolt ports on future laptop models ).

    On the other hand USB 3.0 is already available on a wide range of computers and laptops, providing 3rd party developers a potentially much larger market for their new product offerings. For example, Flea 3 camera maker Point Grey now has a lower cost 1080p USB 3.0 camera on the market, and IDS already has six different models of USB 3.0 camera on the market with a couple in the 720p and 1080p range at comparatively reasonable prices ( see ). As these USB 3.0 based digital HD cameras proliferate, they are guaranteed to obsolete similarly priced analog cameras plus video capture devices for HD webcam use.

    It's also guaranteed that implementing USB 3.0 technology will always be less expensive than implementing thunderbolt technology, given the less complex 'hardware' requirements of USB 3.0 ( as can be seen from the $40 price premium for otherwise identical Intensity Shuttle video modules ). This fact is likely to dissuade a number of potential 3rd party product developers from pursuing thunderbolt - and particularly so at the low end of the spectrum. LogiTech is already working on low priced USB 3.0 camera offerings, and appears to be committed to USB 3.0 development, but has encountered some initial problems ( see ) that will undoubtedly soon be overcome. Thus it's highly probable that we're mere months away from seeing LogiTech and other low end digital cameras offering 1080p capable USB 3.0 cameras in the under $200 range.

    As I'm not a huge Apple fan, and don't enjoy paying higher prices based simply on branding as opposed to actual performance, I've cast my lot with USB 3.0
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    Default Re: Anyone here upgrade to using USB 3.0 yet?

    Thanks for the input Melonie, I thought you would be the first one to reply to this thread.

    I have experimented with my Encoder settings and camera I use. I just purchased the blackmagic yesterday and am waiting on baited breath for it to arrive (I put a deposit on it at the store and blackmagic will ship it to them).

    Since I don't want to be opening a can of worms here I won't go in to details as to what works better. But I will say there is a notable difference in my placement and therefore my traffic when certain things are done certain ways.

    I have a few cameras available to me-I have 2 logitechs (which I think are complete garbage and I rarely use them unless I am travelling, that said logitechs will get considerably better in the years to come and there is much promise over there), sony Evi D100 (I usually prefer to use this as I like the remote zoom), Sony Handycam HDR-TD20V and a Sony handycam HDR-PJ200/B. The Sony HDR-TD20V was a gift from a client who works for Sony. Awesome camera, but I won't need the full functionality of it.

    I want to purchase this http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...T60AV#features for my Sony handycams that way I will have a remote for them. I would like to use them for camming more often as I like remote zoom.



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    Default Re: Anyone here upgrade to using USB 3.0 yet?

    1920p HD webcam?! Did I read that right? GAH. Ive been holding off getting chemical peels but looks like I shouldnt.

    btw - posts from Ojenni on IT always makes me feel like a complete dumbass. Thanks for the humility check guys snort gotta read up
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    Default Re: Anyone here upgrade to using USB 3.0 yet?

    ^^^ that's not saying that there is any mainstream webcam service provider presently capable of anthing over 1080p ... but my Flea 3 can do 2080x1552 at 60 frames per second, and the 'top of the line' IDS can do 2560x1920 at 15 frames per second. Also, most upscale video capture cards for use with analog cameras can produce 1920x1080 at 60 frames per second. And yes, just like the porn industry has discovered, when this degree of HD becomes commonplace it will be necessary to check for every ingrown pubic hair !!!


    Since I don't want to be opening a can of worms here I won't go in to details as to what works better. But I will say there is a notable difference in my placement and therefore my traffic when certain things are done certain ways.
    I won't elaborate along these lines either, other than to point out that in my own experience at least, 'upscale' customers are attracted to 'upscale' webcam offerings. That Sony servo base tripod will definitely be a step in the right direction !!! And the Sony HDR-TD20V camera, with it's insane 20 megapixel specs, would be a perfect match for it ... feeding your new Intensity thunderbolt video encoder, of course. However, in my own situation, where the amount of camming I do is now very limited and more or less 'spontaneous', I want something that can still produce 'upscale' quality video streaming without having to set up anything more elaborate than my laptop, a single connecting cable, and my camera in a matter of seconds not minutes. My USB 3.0 Flea 3 camera gives me that capability. It allowed me to 'mothball' my analog camera, my Osprey video capture card, the bulky analog video and PZT control cables, my PZT joystick, my photofloods and stands etc.


    I have 2 logitechs (which I think are complete garbage and I rarely use them unless I am travelling, that said logitechs will get considerably better in the years to come and there is much promise over there
    While the low cost of LogiTech webcams makes them very popular with girls on a budget, indeed they are currently incapable of producing an 'upscale' webcam offering ... due in large part to the lack of pan, tilt, and hardware zoom capability plus de-facto limitation of 480p video streaming, or 720p video with hiccups, at acceptable frame rates for all but the two most recent offerings. Agreed that LogiTech and other 'consumer' webcams have been getting better lately ( Zeiss lenses, hardware based video encoding to try and cram quasi-1080p down a slow USB 2.0 connection etc. ), and may be a 'force to be reckoned with' once they offer new models with 1080p unencoded video capability at 60 frames per second via bug-free USB 3.0 connection.
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    Default Re: Anyone here upgrade to using USB 3.0 yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ that's not saying that there is any mainstream webcam service provider presently capable of anthing over 1080p ... but my Flea 3 can do 2080x1552 at 60 frames per second, and the 'top of the line' IDS can do 2560x1920 at 15 frames per second. Also, most upscale video capture cards for use with analog cameras can produce 1920x1080 at 60 frames per second. And yes, just like the porn industry has discovered, when this degree of HD becomes commonplace it will be necessary to check for every ingrown pubic hair !!!




    I won't elaborate along these lines either, other than to point out that in my own experience at least, 'upscale' customers are attracted to 'upscale' webcam offerings. That Sony servo base tripod will definitely be a step in the right direction !!! And the Sony HDR-TD20V camera, with it's insane 20 megapixel specs, would be a perfect match for it. However, in my own situation, where the amount of camming do is now very limited and more or less 'spontaneous', I want something that can still produce 'upscale' quality video streaming without having to set up anything more elaborate than my laptop, a USB 3.0 cable, and my camera. My USB 3.0 Flea 3 camera gives me that capability.




    While the low cost of LogiTech webcams makes them very popular with girls on a budget, indeed they are currently incapable of producing an 'upscale' webcam offering ... due in large part to the lack of pan, tilt, and hardware zoom capability plus de-facto limitation of 480p video streaming, or 720p video with hiccups, at acceptable frame rates for all but the two most recent offerings. Agreed that LogiTech and other 'consumer' webcams have been getting better lately ( Zeiss lenses, hardware based video encoding to try and cram quasi-1080p down a slow USB 2.0 connection etc. ), and may be a 'force to be reckoned with' once they offer new models with 1080p unencoded video capability at 60 frames per second via bug-free USB 3.0 capability.

    Yeah I think I am liking my Handycams better then my EviD100 in terms of lens resolution, but the damn things don't come with a remote so I think I will need to buy the Servo tripod. As for the HDR-TD20V, I don't think I need 3D capabilities, but I just picked it because my client told me "pick any two things from the product line up" so I took that and a brand new TV. Oh the stuff I could have had my hands on, but I choose not to be greedy or overtly consumed with taking too much from him as sometimes that attitude does not play to your advantage especially when it comes to getting the guy to spend again at a later date.

    As for the logitechs I always tell people that those will do you fine for now, but upgrading to a camcorder is always better. I just find logitechs very limited in terms of zoom and pan. They do come with software that offers these features (however not remotely), but its choppy at best. Quite frankly for the money one has to pay for a logitech (I spent $80 and $150 respectively on mine) its almost better to get a older camcorder with cables.



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    Default Re: Anyone here upgrade to using USB 3.0 yet?

    whats the cost on the flea 3 ?

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    ^^^ around $600 if you already have a camera lens you can move onto it. The 'mid-range' IDS USB 3.0 cameras with 1080p max resolution are less expensive.

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